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Yang Liwei Rocket

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Re: China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US?

Using Galileo and satellite recon, China could probably place H-bombs near enough to our carriers to destroy or at least disable them.

In a full scale Nuke conflict a Navy would be just a sitting metalic duck ready to be blown to bits and sunk in the water
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The USA and China have a great realtionship, they do very good trade...the ex-top dog Powell had said US-China relations were the best and healthiest in 30-plus years. Chinese aren't the only ones selling weapons, the Israel people have given China missiles, America sells heaps of bombs and land mines in Africa, English played key roles in international arms brokering routes and a British supply line of Ingram submachine guns.  British Sky Air has gone supply guns to both sides in the Sierra Leonean conflict, the USA gave F14 tomcats to Iran, Mark Thatcher had  involvement in a coup in Equatorial Guinea after being released on bail by a South African court, son of former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher - former British SAS captain Simon Mann, an old Etonian turned leading African mercenary, has admitted trying to procure dangerous weapons and the UK shipped guns to Eritrea, and to Uganda and Rwanda, read about the USA's sales in Iraq-gate. 
Chinese have also done some bad weapons sales, Chinese have done arms business with bad people but a supply line for China on missile and isreal attack drones runs from Israel and French want the EU arms ban lifted.
Chinese are now very friendly with the West, they have good relations with the USA. Neither side would want a fight like so, Chinese Beijing would be buring with radioactivity and there would be much destruction in China, while the USA would take some massive blows, face an economic destructive force and see the US crippled....this would be a foolish war fought over nothing but pride and with nothing but a Naval wreckage and radioactive rubble to win
in victory

Back in the 80s everyone talked about Japan, and the USA wanted the Japanese to stop closing their markets to US steel and stop being isolationist by blocking USA's wheel makers for Cars. Due to poor banking, Yakuza antics, and corruption the Japanese bubble was soon to burst. However one self-made political man, the racial ultra-nationalist Governor of Tokyo gae Japan some ideas. If the USA were to threaten Japan by any more actions Japan leaders could dump the dollar and sell of their US Bonds to hit the USA with more economic warfare damage than a kamikaze Peral Harbor attack. short-term goal has been to keep the US economy strong enough to assure re-election for George Bush in November. Washington reports are that Bush made a deal to re-appoint Greenspan on the promise Greenspan would keep the economy growing until the elections. They have done this by a combination of historic low interest rates, rates only seen before in times of war or depression, and by stimulating the economy by record budget deficit spending, issuing government bonds to finance it. The world has been flooded with cheap dollars as a result. The Chinese mainland has become the second biggest holder of US T-bonds, ranking before the United Kingdom. The largest buyers of US government debt have been the central banks of the Asia-Pacific. The central banks of Japan and China alone hold more than $1 trillion of US Treasury bonds as foreign currency reserves. Worldwide foreign central banks hold some $1.3 trillion of US government debt. If private debt is added, the United States is the world's largest debtor, with some $3.7 trillion in net foreign debt, as of the start of this year, likely well over $4 trillions by now. In 1980 when Ronald Reagan was elected the US was the world's creditor with a plus of $1 trillion. China and Japan, fearing the dollar crisis, have recently begun heavy buying of commodities, from oil to iron ore to copper to gold. In analyzing the precarious predicament that has $1.94 trillion U.S. Treasury debt owned by foreign banks, most notably China, the overloaded U. S. debt burden is already teetering on a fine line. Any hint of a problem in maintaining support of U.S. bonds would create an instantaneous meltdown of the greenback with a simultaneous surge in the price of gold.  By the end of May 2002, the balance of overseas US T-bonds reached US$1032.8 billion, (of which US$618.4 billion was held by foreign governments), accounting for around 30 percent of the total US$3433.8 billion in the same period. If China shuns Dollar, look out U.S. BondsThey are using their trade dollars to buy real commodities, instead of US Treasury debt, which is mere paper. Chinese panic buying of oil for stockpiling reserves is a major factor pushing oil prices again to record levels of $42 barrels despite two major OPEC quota rises. Steel prices have exploded due to China demand. Central banks are always reticent to detail their holdings, but one can't help but wonder if Malaysia is buying an increasing amount of euros -- or even yen -- these days. Its central bank sure didn't make that kind of cash holding the dollar, the currency to which its own, the ringgit, is pegged.
The plot thickens when you consider how such a shift away from the dollar would jibe not only with comments from top Malaysian officials, but trends throughout Asia. China also has been in the news as traders speculate that Asia's No. 2 economy may pull the plug on dollar-denominated debt. Such a move by the second-biggest holder of U.S. Treasuries after Japan could send shockwaves through global markets.Foreign central banks, led by China's and Japan's, now hold close to $1 trillion of Treasury bonds and bills, almost a quarter of publicly held U.S. debt. That serves their economic interest, but it also gives them a potential financial lever. "Financial war is a form of nonmilitary warfare which is just as terribly destructive as bloody war, but in which no blood is actually shed...when people revise the history books...the section on financial warfare will command the reader's utmost attention." What would happen if China stopped buying U.S. bonds, or sold them outright? As bond prices fell, their yields, which move in the opposite direction, would rise. Mortgage rates would rise, depressing home sales and weakening the economy.
When Bush became President he inherited a Federal budget in surplus. Since then he has created the largest deficits in US history, near $500 billion, the Chinese and Western economices are very linked, almost inter-connected a conflcit thrugh eocnomics would cause much destruction on both sides, perhaps  many times greater than the Middle-East Oil shock of the 1970s when the Anti-American Arabs stopped the oil going to the West, and there was an overnight quadrupling of oil prices and highlights in the trade surplus of other nations, this is why China and the USA can't have an economic war.
Strange how we can't discuss the growth of China without it turing into one of those Cold-war propaganda films or a computer war-games of Chinese fighting USA.

China has gone out of the crazy cruel days of Mao and its is become more open with free-trade, and America have very good relations, even top officals like Powell have said it

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Re: China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US?

A topic to fix which had the pebble reactor mentioned with in it.

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Re: China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US?

This a very long topic and its still in need of repairs...

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US?

It is not 2024 yet

Biden can turn it around in 2 years?

China to launch space telescope in 2023 to decipher cosmic mysteries
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli … -mysteries

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US?

'Hurry Up Artemis'
https://nasawatch.com/artemis/hurry-up-artemis/

As for China it seems in the near future they can make a start on Mars but have more steps to take, first they would need to be ready to land 75-85 MT on the surface. However it seems Chinese also have their eyes on the resources of the Moon. While landing on another planet is an amazing feat there should be no race to land the first person if you plan on staying a while. I think the Manned vs un-manned debate was unhelpful, it should be looked at as a base on one of the highest mountains or the North Pole or South pole, before you go there your Robots, 3D Printers, your AI machine will have your farms and animal ready and your robots will have done digging and building.

Colony ships?

Elon Musk, the billionaire founder and CEO of the private spaceflight company SpaceX,
https://www.space.com/18596-mars-colony … -musk.html
wants to help establish a Mars colony of up to 80,000 people by ferrying explorers to the Red Planet for perhaps $500,000 a trip.

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: China The Dominant Superpower In 20 Years..... - What does this mean for US?

The UAE straddles the line between the U.S. and China in space

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/11/uae-china-nasa-space