Politics

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-08-10 10:17:11

Japanese PM Kishida has removed ministers associated with the Unification amid a public outcry over his party’s ties to the religious movement.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ … urch-links

Kishida has urged new cabinet members and party officials to "Thoroughly review" their links to the church to regain public trust.

Revelations since Shinzo Abe death shed light on Moonies’ influence
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ … ence-japan

Elon Musk is doubling down with potentially strong fraud claims against Twitter
https://www.aol.com/finance/elon-musk-d … 16353.html

More migrant buses arrive in New York City, days after Mayor Eric Adams scolded Texas Gov.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/more-migrant … reg-abbott

Florida AG Ashley Moody: DOJ Must Come Clean About Trump Raid To Save Its Credibility
https://www.tampafp.com/florida-ag-ashl … edibility/

Hawley Calls For AG Garland’s Impeachment After Mar-a-Lago Raid
https://www.tampafp.com/hawley-calls-fo … lago-raid/

Rep. McCarthy questions legitimacy of FBI targeting Trump
https://www.oann.com/rep-mccarthy-quest … ing-trump/

White House Attempts to Deny Knowing Anything About Unprecedented FBI Raid of Mar-a-Lago
https://bongino.com/white-house-attempt … mar-a-lago

US: Former Twitter employee found guilty of spying for Saudi Arabia
https://www.dw.com/en/us-former-twitter … d-4025-rdf

Hate crime fizzle in New Mexico: Murderer of Shi’ite Muslims turns out to be a Sunni Muslim, not an ‘Islamophobe’
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2022/08/hate … slamophobe

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SpaceNut · 2022-08-10 19:31:42

While some think it's important to know when and by whom the judge was appointed under. The Judge was required by law to if presented evidence that the secret documents existed that he needed to sign the warrant. The simple fact that 15 boxes were taken already from Maralago should have been sufficient but with new evidence the warrant was created to find these hidden boxes. Therse were not copies but original and not printed from an electronic source.

Exclusive: An Informer Told the FBI What Docs Trump Was Hiding, and Where

kbd512 · 2022-08-10 20:58:37

SpaceNut,

If all of this was above-board, then the FBI would've plastered their warrant all over the news, they would've at least allowed President Trump to read it, and they wouldn't have 50 men serve it, guns drawn, knowing full well they came to an empty house. I'm sure the maid would've let them in without issue, but instead they decided to break the door down to make it look good for the television cameras. Secret evidence of a secret crime. I've seen this movie before, at least a half dozen times while President Trump was in his other office, which your dementia patient is now sitting in thanks to your party's insanity over President Trump saying "mean things", blissfully unaware of where he is, who he is, and who he's talking to. It ends the same way every time- Democrats look dumber and more desperate than they usually do.

When are your party's morons going to figure out that President Trump didn't write anything down, much less write something that would incriminate him. He does things off-the-cuff, on instinct alone. He's not a leftist loony toon. He doesn't publish manifestos about what he wants to do to other people, if only he gets the power to do it, because he's not an evil clown like all the people running your party have become.

The raid was flamboyant theatrics for our world-famous drama queens- the various media whores who get down on both knees for the Democrat Party, the BS artists themselves who finger paint with their own feces- I'm talking about the bed wetter you voted for and the other assorted clowns your political party puts up on pedestals so everyone else can see how ignorant and evil they are, as well as the federally-appointed butt wipers at the DoJ who waste so much tax money trying and failing to clean up after the filthy stain on America's underpants that the Democrat Party has become.

They "seized" a cocktail napkin from a party at the White House because it had writing on it. I'm quite certain that the "grand conspiracy" started there. Please tell me your political party hasn't pinned all its "hopes and dreams" of punishing their political opponents on the "smoking cocktail napkin".

Russian Collusion Hoax / Hillary Clinton Funded Fraud - Zero

Cohen asserting he had the goods on President Trump - Zip

Impeachment for asking Ukraine if Biden threatened them because an investigator was investigating the company his son worked for - Zilch

Impeachment fraud over January 6th, which Chief Justice Roberts said he wouldn't dignify with his presence after the Democrats told him they had no real evidence of anything - Nada

FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago - Nothing

Your Democrats are something of the biggest frauds and thieves on planet Earth and they're terrified that someone they can't bully into silence, namely President Trump, is calling them out on their mockery of a sham, in public, where both the American people and the rest of the world can see it.

Every breathless cry of "WOLF!", when everyone else can clearly see that the person doing the yelling is the only actual wolf in the room, is starting to wear very thin with the rest of the intellectually honest / non-brainwashed part of American society that knows the people you voted for are such spectacular failures that not even Democrat-run media can cover it up. Democrats are starting to give clowns a bad name. At one point in time in American history, they were a serious political party with some worthwhile objectives. Now they're a bunch of goofball rejects who couldn't make a living doing anything else, so they became a protected class of career criminals because they are willing to go on TV and say absolutely anything, no matter how outrageous, because they know there are a bunch of ignorant and emotional suckers who would eat their turds if they took a crap on the ground.

It's pretty clear that President Trump lives rent-free in the deranged and drug-adled brains of leftists the world over, forever.

SpaceNut · 2022-08-11 21:17:13

There is so much false reporting and threats going on with regards to the lawful warrant to go and get national records back from what Trump had taken of which there were secret documents taken. Some want the President Donald Trump at some point to be arrested live on national television as a way to prevent him from becoming, or even running for, president again. So you can put Biden and Hillary in that same boat never to see a presidential office ever again.
Trump baselessly bashed Obama for transferring records from the White House to Chicago. Here's why Obama was allowed while Trump is under scrutiny by the FBI.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-08-12 03:09:25

Subversion, Corruption, Heresy what will a Government of Mars do when its system goes utterly bad and rotten?

The AG spoke out and
He sounds like a blackmailed spooky type, Deep in politics type and part of those old Ivy fraternity groups, lot of links to political elites and old money.

Now image for a moment someone told you this story the AG Garland is such a corrupt piece of work, that a guy from Iran or Saudi can pay him some money, bend him over swipe a credit card across his buttock checks bribe him and he will happily try spread islamism across Afghanistan and Western China? That AG ruling it was wrong for a U.S. tribunal to find that islamic terrorist jihadi who wanted to kill Afghans and American but also wanted to kill Chinese, AG Garland pushed a rule that islamic became cool once he wanted to bomb China and it is was wrong to say he was an “enemy combatant.”

Back to today -

Attorney General speaks out

AG Garland: "I WILL NOT STAND BY Silently When Integrity of FBI and DOJ is Unfairly Attacked"
https://rumble.com/v1fngmp-ag-garland-i … is-un.html

Merrick Garland ‘calling Trump’s bluff’ in 'political move' - Sky News Australia
https://www.bitchute.com/video/eQ4SFQkDQ7k/

DoJ has asked court to unseal Trump search warrant, Merrick Garland says
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … ey-general

Merrick Garland: I personally approved Mar-a-Lago search warrant
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62513956

Name pops up with a right wing conservative LAURA LOOMER ? Bruce E. Reinhart
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16 … orida-inc/

Laura Loomer Statement Regarding CAIR Judgement
https://streetloc.com/view-news/laura-l … rding-cair
STATEMENT REGARDING CAIR JUDGEMENT
Sadly, the attempt by the radical Islamic group CAIR to collect $125,000 from me in legal fees is just another effort to attack my free speech rights in my efforts to educate the American people about the dangers of Sharia law and Islamic terrorism.
Uncontent with their efforts to Deplatform and silence me and make it virtually impossible for me to make a living, now the radicals at CAIR have decided to harass me through the court system.
The Holy Land Foundation terrorism trial, our nation’s largest terrorism trial, proved that CAIR was tied to HAMAS, an Islamic terrorist organization listed by the US State Department. CAIR is recognized worldwide by many nations as also being a designated Islamic terrorist organization, and even the FBI cut ties with CAIR in 2009 following the terror financing trial in which CAIR was implicated. I will continue to speak out about the truth regarding CAIR.
Just as I was not deterred when I was deplatformed and banned on virtually every social media platform and blacklisted by all mainstream media, I am neither phased nor intimidated by these dangerous bullies and their cancel culture jihad.
Given that it’s a violation of US law to aide and abet terrorism, and given that CAIR is designated as an Islamic terrorist organization, it should shock everyone that I have been ordered as an American citizen to pay a six figure judgement to an organization that has been caught financing global Islamic terrorism. Put simply, it could be argued that paying this fine would be treason.

What do we know of Merrick Garland, he's from Chicago, Appointed to the D.C. Circuit by President Bill Clinton. He's related to Republican Governor Branstad served three terms in the Iowa House of Representatives and became Iowa Govenor. worked as a clerk before that worked as a prosecutor, Merrick Garland worked on the big case of the Oklahoma City bombing, mother Shirley née Horwitz director of volunteer services at Chicago's Council for Jewish Elderly, name changed from Garfinkel when Bolsevik grandparents left the Russian Empire? Links to the college masonic frat boy brotherhood and sisterhood Lodge and Greek letter party clubs old money clubs or Yale and old elite school and Harvard Law School, wrote theater reviews for the Harvard Crimson, married at the Harvard Club in Manhattan went to Maryland East Coast a state in the Mid-Atlantic region. Also worked on Ted Kaczynski the "Unabomber" case and the Atlanta Olympics bombings. He links to all those old money clubs the buildings and bureaucracy before Americans rebelled, all that old Episcopalian Church of England Vatican old boys clubs that date back before the US War of Independence. Garland internationally and politically wrote for a panel that overturned the Combatant Status Review Tribunal's determination that a captured jihadi islamic mohammedan Uyghur was an enemy combatant, the islamic guy, that jihadi one wanted to bomb a few dozen or so Afghans and American but he mostly wanted to bomb Chinese? Think about this they find terrorist who wants to bomb Americans and Afghans, but because he wants to bomb men women and children in China the spooky ghostie type then begin thinking 'Huzaifa Parhat' might be useful, change their tune and start singing this pro-islamist song about aaaah boo hoo, poor islamic poor islamist islamism poor poor jihadist. The government asserted that the islamic China Sharia Law terrorists that want a separate islamist state in the West of China had been at a training camp that, the government said, was associated with Al Qaeda and the Taliban. But good old Attorney General Merrick Garland helps more scumbag terrorists escape.
The link and story is out there but for some reason archive way back machine is giving 404 errors today
https://web.archive.org/web/20090908031 … atant.html
Speaking of other website tech errors, Garland has refused to investigate Mark Zuckerberg's documented and admitted interference in the 2020 presidential election.

It seems he may have also used the FBI to intimidate and harass parents concerned about Transexual Marxist CRT Gay Lesbian Soddomite indoctrination of their children in public schools....why are they pushing this weird political sexual fetish stuff on children and why are they using the FBI as an Orwellian weapon against parents who protest? Involved with the Trump investigations, Jan6 and Steve Bannon Speaker Nancy Pelosi certified the contempt referral sent to the U.S. Attorney for DC & whether to send the referral to a grand jury for indictment, with Garland having the final say. He was a big fan of the BLM Antifa protests and pushed that Cops get convicted for the murder of George Floyd while Riots and Looting took off during the Covid lockdowns. Was an unsuccessful Supreme Court nominee of President Barack Obama, nominated by Barack Hussein Obama II 44th President of the USA to fill the vacancy created by the death of Antonin Scalia.

in other news France which needs to update its old reactors now claims it a solution to pollution and Oil? all new buildings in commercial zones covered in plants or solar panels.

France announces rooftops must be covered in plants or solar panels.
https://ec.europa.eu/environment/europe … een-roofs/

Some movies the Chinese government will find 'offensive' and for the same reason or other reason North Africa or Arabia might find that same movie offends?

Malaysia goes more islamic rejects the Hollywood message, maybe they want to breed more islamic people and know messages of Lesbianism or Gay Homosexuality obsessed with Sodomy and the Anus will not help make new generations of islamic kids and babies raised to become new islamic girls, women and islamic boys and islamic men?

After ‘Thor’ and ‘Lightyear,’ Malaysia Government Is Committed to Banning More LGBT Films
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/mala … 235338721/

Thousands of Brazilians took to the streets of Sao Paulo Thursday in "defense of democracy" after President Jair Bolsonaro's sustained attacks on democratic institutions, weeks ahead of elections
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 … -democracy

Russia, Belarus military bases rocked by fire, explosions days after Crimea air base sees destructive blasts
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-belar … 14246.html

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Calliban · 2022-08-12 08:48:11

Merrick Garland:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland

'Merrick Brian Garland was born on November 13, 1952, in Chicago.[1] He grew up in the northern Chicago suburb of Lincolnwood.[2][3] His mother Shirley (née Horwitz; 1925–2016)[4] was a director of volunteer services at Chicago's Council for Jewish Elderly (now called CJE SeniorLife). His father, Cyril Garland (1915–2000),[5] headed Garland Advertising, a small business run out of the family home.[3][6][7] Garland was raised in Conservative Judaism, the family name having been changed from Garfinkel several generations earlier. His grandparents left the Pale of Settlement in the Russian Empire in the early 20th century, fleeing antisemitic pogroms and seeking a better life for their children in the United States.[7][8] He is a second cousin of six-term Iowa Governor Terry Branstad.[9]'

Another servant of Uncle Shmuel. It doesn't take very much background reading to learn who is pulling the strings in the donkey party.

kbd512 · 2022-08-12 13:23:30

SpaceNut,

The nazis decided what the law would be when they held power in Germany. That didn't make anything they did "lawful". Scribbling their screed on paper didn't make their actions lawful. That's why America hanged a good number of them after the war. Unlike the nazis, who simply lined people up and shot them or gassed them or starved them to death, the nazis were given trials with actual lawyers who were charged with getting them off the hook for their numerous heinous crimes. Ye olde "I had a piece of paper which said I could do X" defense didn't work for the nazis, much like the "I was just following orders" defense, and it won't work for the DoJ or FBI, either.

Whether you know it or not, whether you agree with it or not, the President of the United States has plenary power to declassify classified materials. He doesn't require the permission of the FBI or the Democrat Party. That's one of the privileges granted to holders of the office of the President of the United States. President Trump declassified the materials he took, both in writing and by public statement in front of numerous television cameras, before he left office. The baseless and specious claims that he did not or wasn't permitted to are just that. At this point, it looks an awful lot like a politically-motivated fishing expedition that, predictably, turned up a lot of nothing. If it had turned up something, we'd be hearing about it 24/7/365, endlessly. The FBI, especially under James Comey, handed over classified documents to the media about the FBI's criminal spying activities without any such approval, in a vain attempt to save his own job after President Trump found out the hard way that Comey / McCabe / Strzok / et al were breaking the law in too many ways to count. They lied to a FISA judge to obtain a warrant, repeatedly, they knew ahead of time that the information they were given was fraudulent and came from the Clinton Campaign because the husband of the woman who worked at the company that promulgated Hillary's BS told the FBI it was opposition party propaganda, and then they tried to cover it up with another BS investigation, all of which failed spectacularly.

Don't get me wrong, your flailing Democrats will try to make any little ant hill look like Mount Everest, but if Hillary Clinton wasn't prosecuted by the FBI for theft and attempted destruction of classified Defense Department spy satellite imagery, which she had zero authority to take with her or store on her private E-mail server, then all claims about President Trump taking classified material, which he declassified, as he is duly authorized to do as President, fall right on their face- immediately. What did you or they expect would happen? By my count, this obvious fraud has been attempted a half a dozen times now. IT'S STILL NOT WORKING! For goodness sake, learn from your failures and try something else.

Similar to the Russian Collusion hoax, when your party has zero evidence that doesn't point right back at their own criminality, they just start making things up and hoping it will stick. It didn't stick then, it's not going to stick now, and it's not going to save them from their own abject idiocy. The propaganda arm of the Democrat Party thought if they repeated the lie often enough, it would become the truth. Well... You can't fool everyone all the time. That was the problem with that idea.

Why not just admit that you hate the man, but you can't explain why or over what because no independent thought went into it, basically the media told you to hate the man and you follow their ideology because you find it agreeable, while also acknowledging that there's nothing you're going to do or say, especially not now after this latest stunt, that will convince the other half of the country?

The man in question is crass, he's definitely rude to people he doesn't like- no different at all from the left / Democrats, he's probably not someone you want dating your daughter, you're probably not willing to have a beer with him, and you may even want to vomit every time you see him or hear his voice, but that is also not a crime. However, he was not hired to be your friend, to date your daughter, or to be agreeable over a beer. He was hired to be President. I have a similar "gut reaction" every time I read about or hear about President Biden bumbling his way through reading from a teleprompter or "falling up" a flight of stairs. The man is useless as President because old age and illness turned his brain into jello. I have to wonder what his voters were thinking, apart from "I hate Trump". Sadly for America, "I hate Trump" or "I'm not Trump" are not actual qualifications for being President. You have to be able to read a teleprompter without making too many obvious mistakes. Being able to answer questions from the media would be even better. Being able to sit down with foreign leaders, even ones you despise, would be better still.

Basically, your angry emotions about people you don't like, because reasons, do not amount to acceptable excuses to persecute or harass or slander or threaten or otherwise mess with anyone else. If you just flat-out admitted that you personally hated President Trump, then I could respect that. Every politician will come off the wrong way to someone. If the roles were reversed and President Trump couldn't read a teleprompter or walk up a flight of stairs or answer media questions, then I would've voted for President Biden, as a mater of simple self-preservation. I may not agree with the man on everything, but I would accept him due to the unsuitability of the alternatives. President Biden is clearly unsuited to acting as President. No Republican made it that way. Democrats couldn't find someone to get behind who isn't mentally defective or completely off their rocker.

Your party had Tulsi Gabbard. She could've been a very good President, even if we disagreed on a variety of issues. In the end, the clear double-standard, pretentiousness, and assertion of crimes without evidence is what I find so distasteful. No Democrat Party politician has been as persecuted as President Trump. After the Mueller investigation wrapped up and found that "no American colluded or conspired with the Russians to do anything", that should've been where all of this nonsense ended- Hillary Clinton's final parting gift to the American people from her involvement in politics. You can still hate President Trump, and still hyperventilate over every perceived wrong, but he's not going to stop being who he is and he's not going anywhere.

What this entire affair reminds me of is how the Democrat Party persecuted and ultimately murdered the Kennedy brothers. I know our government was intimately involved because they made the entire event a giant state secret. The man has been dead for decades and we're still not allowed access to everything our government collected during that investigation. Basically, your party eats its own and leaves a trail of carnage in its wake. We have more pertinent details about nuclear weapons than we do about how our own President died. You can always tell who the biggest criminals are by determining which party keeps the most secrets. Right now, the US DoJ and FBI under President Biden fits that description to a "T". President Trump wants everything made public and they want to hide behind secrecy.

SpaceNut · 2022-08-12 17:53:34

FBI List Shows Top Secret Files Were Recovered at Mar-a-Lago Possible charges for Trump include Espionage Act violations, warrant indicates top-secret nuclear weapons documents to his home in Mar-A-Lago.

The FBI agents took 11 sets of classified documents from the 20 boxes taken from Mar-a-Lago after searching former President Donald Trump's home not a government facility. According to the search warrant receipt, federal agents seized:

1 set of “top secret/SCI” documents
4 sets of “top secret” documents
3 sets of “secret” documents
3 sets of “confidential” documents.

Some files were marked "Various classified/TS/SCI documents," which indicates top-secret/sensitive compartmented information. Such documents usually are to be reviewed in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility by personnel with special clearance.

kbd512 · 2022-08-12 21:44:10

SpaceNut,

Let's repeat this point again until it finally sinks in:

The President of the United States has plenary power to declassify ALL classified information. He does not require anyone else's approval to do so. The President is the final authority in the matter.

Whether you, your neighbor, your neighbor's dog, the FBI, the entire Democrat Party, or anyone else on planet Earth disagrees is immaterial. It's a "moo point". It's like the opinion of a cow. It just doesn't matter.

Since this is the FBI we're talking about, we also have no clue if they embellished or added to the "evidence" after they carted off whatever they actually took, or simply made-up something that was classified. FBI agents, to include the FBI Director, have already been caught doing this during the Russian Collusion hoax.

As a member of the US federal government, if you have the appropriate security clearance, then you can draft a document or a message to someone else stating that you left a skid mark in your boxers after realizing you're a world-class turd, slap a "TOP SECRET" classification label on it, and your message about soiling yourself suddenly becomes super secret squirrel silliness.

They had access to all of the documents President Trump took with him back in June. They declined to take these documents. They had a signed search warrant on Friday of the prior week. They declined to execute the search warrant until the following week.

All attempts to make this farcical criminal enterprise run by the Democrat Party appear legitimate are falling right on their face.

SpaceNut · 2022-08-13 15:54:40

The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is an "independent federal agency of the United States government within the executive branch. The taking of documents dates back to Richard Nixon that the Archiving office has all documents regardless of whether he claims to have declassified them required by the [Presidential Records Act], and they must be remarked to show so, as saying that they are is not sufficient. These did not, also even as unclassified material must be safeguard still as its considered sensitive. The National Background Investigations Bureau must determine whether or not the applicant needs the information specified and whether or not they can be trusted to keep said information a secret even in the unclassified.

Remember the emails contained no markings of Clinton and that is exactly what the Republicans did was slap labels on them.

kbd512 · 2022-08-13 17:34:49

SpaceNut,

Your assertion versus objective reality:
1:14 / 3:55:29 FBI Chief James Comey Testifies On Hillary Clinton, Wikileaks (Full Testimony) | The New York Times

FBI Director Comey testified in front of Congress that the documents retrieved from Hillary Clinton's E-mail server did contain classification markings because whomever removed them did sloppy work and they also had copies of some of the originals, which contained full sets of classification markings. After Hillary Clinton was told to retain copies of her E-mail, she attempted to destroy both the server and smartphone devices involved by smashing them with hammers. This attempt to destroy evidence requested by the FBI's federal investigation was testified to by those doing the destroying of evidence after they were granted immunity from prosecution.

The problem with our Democrat friends is that they know so much that isn't so.

SpaceNut · 2022-08-13 19:12:39

Clearly forgetting that there were no charges as Hillary did not send the information or allow others to have it.

clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice.

Trumps legal team had indicated that all secret documents had been returned...clearly that was not true.
Of course, the claim that Moscow has been 'studying' Mar-a-Lago nuclear documents 'for a while' is circulating on many sites.

kbd512 · 2022-08-13 19:38:19

SpaceNut,

There was never a grand jury empaneled to decide if charges would be sought in the case of Hillary Clinton. The FBI does not actually charge people with federal crimes. In the United States, all law enforcement agencies gather evidence of crimes. They do not bring charges. An Attorney of the United States will bring federal charges after empaneling a grand jury. The grand jury ultimately decides whether or not to charge people who are suspected of committing federal crimes. AG Loretta Lynch's refusal to empanel a grand jury to charge a member of her own political party does not indicate whether or not the actions of Hillary Clinton were lawful or not.

If charges are warranted in President Trump's case, which they are not because he has plenary power to declassify any documents he chooses to take with him, as is his right as President of the United States, then they are certainly warranted in the case of Secretary Clinton, who had no such plenary power granted to her and who had no such right to take classified information with her.

No wonder you Democrats have to rely upon your fellow Democrats choosing to ignore or usurp the law. You're so ignorant of the law it's almost unbelievable.

kbd512 · 2022-08-13 19:42:12

SpaceNut,

If you don't like the law, then petition your representatives to change it. Hillary Clinton violated the dictionary definition of the law regarding mishandling of classified information. Her intent or reasoning behind doing it is irrelevant. President Trump did not violate any laws because he declassified the materials he took. That is what the law says. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not. Your opinions about the law do not change what the laws are, nor how they should be applied- equally and to everyone at all times.

SpaceNut · 2022-08-14 10:25:18

You cannot just say that you declassified documents and while the president has the authority to declassify documents, there’s a formal process for doing so, and there's no indication Trump used it. “He can’t just wave a wand and say it’s declassified,” “there has to be a formal process. That’s the only way the system can work,” because otherwise there would be no way of knowing who could handle or see the documents. They’re all marked ‘declassified’ with the date they were declassified, the recovered from Mar-a-Lago had been declassified by Trump, but their markings were not updated. Just like there is a process to mark the documents there is one for the change of it as well.
With no verbal recording to say that a document has been reclassified then there is no such change. There are no standing orders to declassify anything as a written executive order. Markings not changed on all documents, dated as well as initialed are still classified. That is record keeping.
Not everyone should or would be entitled to see any document.
Former homeland security adviser for Mike Pence said she once 'found classified documents in the ladies' room'

As far as documents for Lawyers why would Trump have them FBI took "privileged" documents covered by attorney-client privilege

kbd512 · 2022-08-14 14:15:15

SpaceNut,

There is a formal process. That process was followed. The President of the United States decided to declassify documents, and the President has plenary power to declassify all classified information, so then he did it.

ple·na·ry (adjective) - unqualified; absolute.

You Democrats have the absolute biggest problem understanding the definitions of simple words with simple meanings.

Once a document or program has been declassified and made public knowledge, it cannot be reclassified. That's like stating the Press Secretary can make a public statement on previously classified information, and then that classified information becomes a "state secret" after the Press Secretary divulges that previously classified information. It's a specious and idiotic claim with no bearing on reality, like most claims Democrats make these days.

President Trump submitted a signed written statement and public declaration declassifying the documents he took with him. Whether you agree with what he did, or not, is 100% irrelevant. The law was followed. If you disagree with that process, then take it up with the Congress. Congress granted that authority to the President. If you question the intelligence of the decision that Congress made, with respect to granting plenary powers to the President, then take it up with Congress. Laws are not retroactively applied, though.

At this point, you're just arguing. You don't have a point to make. You don't agree with the law, so you're stating your own opinion of the law and ignoring the fact that the law, as-written, was followed. This is precisely what I meant when I said that Democrats will try to make an ant hill look like Mount Everest.

We've already caught various bad actors in the FBI and other federal agencies fabricating evidence, aka "making sh!t up", about President Trump's activities, we've caught them in various attempts to subvert the President's authority while he was in office, and your line of argumentation, much like the border dispute, is your personal disagreement about what the law should be, in order to persecute your political enemies. Your opinion of the law is not a substitute for the rule of law, and your opinion is that the law should be ignored because it's being used to persecute someone you despise. That line of reasoning is unbecoming of a citizen of a Constitutional Republic.

SpaceNut · 2022-08-14 14:37:52

The fact is there is no evidence that this declassification was actually performed while in office. Former President Donald Trump has not presented any evidence showing he went through "the process" of declassifying documents at the center of a Justice Department investigation, a top House Democrat declared on Sunday.

Trump faces legal jeopardy regardless of whether documents stowed away at Mar-a-Lago were classified or not. "Nonetheless, the statutes the Justice Department are asserting in the search warrant, don't even require that they still be classified.

Former president Trump has no declassification authority let alone after 18 months, that is claimed for record keeping. Record keeping is the objective evidence that process has been followed. It is in writing and never verbal....

kbd512 · 2022-08-14 15:09:57

SpaceNut,

The law was followed. Your agreement and media claims about whether or not the law was followed are specious. MSN news articles are evidence of nothing. Legal matters are not decided in the court of public opinion. Adam Schiff is a proven liar. He asserted that President Trump colluded with the Russians to change the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election, then refused to provide any evidence. Claims or assertions are not evidence of anything and they never will be in a Constitutional Republic. This charade was over before it started. Give it a rest. You're only making yourself and your political party look worse than it already does. This is why the people keep giving Democrats the boot after witnessing what their "leadership" is like. There's no low they won't stoop to, in order to retain power they don't deserve. Stop crying "Wolf!" before people ignore the Democrats altogether when the wolf truly is at your doorstep.

Calliban · 2022-08-14 17:00:49

kbd512 wrote:

SpaceNut,
The law was followed. Your agreement and media claims about whether or not the law was followed are specious. MSN news articles are evidence of nothing. Legal matters are not decided in the court of public opinion. Adam Schiff is a proven liar. He asserted that President Trump colluded with the Russians to change the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election, then refused to provide any evidence. Claims or assertions are not evidence of anything and they never will be in a Constitutional Republic. This charade was over before it started. Give it a rest. You're only making yourself and your political party look worse than it already does. This is why the people keep giving Democrats the boot after witnessing what their "leadership" is like. There's no low they won't stoop to, in order to retain power they don't deserve. Stop crying "Wolf!" before people ignore the Democrats altogether when the wolf truly is at your doorstep.

What they are probably hoping is that they can drag out legal proceedings until after nominations for 2024 are closed. They know that the Republican side won't want to back a candidate that risks being disqualified, even if the risk is small. So they don't need to get a conviction to achieve the desired effect.

Seriously though, it might be better for MAGA if Trump takes a back seat so far as the next presidency is concerned. The US needs a president that combines Trump's values with a younfer mans vigour. Could that be De Santis? I think the Dems may end up regretting the games that they are playing.

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kbd512 · 2022-08-14 18:01:57

Calliban,

If the Independents want DeSantis as President instead of Trump, that's fine with me, but whomever is elected needs to have the exact same policies that President Trump had, because there won't be an America without them. America doesn't need to be transformed into another communist hellhole like California. The Democrats are the problem, and MAGA is the solution. Democrats are about to be shown the door and they know it, so they're trying to do as much damage to America as they possibly can before they get the boot.

I want DeSantis or Trump to fire the upper half of every organization within the federal government. Anybody who is eventually re-hired into those positions needs to be someone who understands that their job is not to interfere with whichever political party is currently in power, but to behave as civil servants who are loyal to the American people, rather than their favored political ideology. Democrats think making assertions is equivalent to tangible evidence, they think might makes right, and they think that the law only applies when it's applied to their political enemies. That is not the American way, but it is a better than average way to turn a Super Power into a third world banana republic in short order.

The rest of the world doesn't need another banana republic mired in its own political partisanship. It does need a strong and independent Super Power that can be an impartial arbitration arm to settle disputes and it needs a militarily unassailable bulwark against tyranny / war / famine / plague. We need a strong, moral, and ethical leader who will use America's military as a wedge between belligerents, and it needs so much military might that it can force both sides to quit attacking each other and go home. We never should've left Ukraine. We should be in Taiwan right now, and we should be telling everyone to lay off the violent rhetoric and to consider alternative courses of action that don't involve mass-murdering each other.

SpaceNut · 2022-08-16 18:49:34

The record keeping and control of documents is not just about the ability to declassify as its more than an original paper document with a signature and labels as it goes further in depth as most have multiple copies and their revisions as well as sign-out and control dissemination logs. Hence there is a required process of risk assessment as well for the declassification of content.
All tiers of the document must match, or you end up with unmarked materials that others try to remark without a source original.

Just because you say it's so does not make it that way, as all war equipment is considered unclassified for the purpose of those with a clearance to make use of, it does not give them the right to take them home just because they have been declassified as there is still a risk that the content can still do harm to America.

Trump stuck with the D-list as experienced lawyers refuse to help him with FBI investigation

Russian state TV show Sunday Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, host Vladimir Solovyov remarked Putin World Declares ‘Our Agent Trump’ Is Irreversibly Screwed

kbd512 · 2022-08-17 03:09:11

SpaceNut,

It's not an investigation, it's the Democrats' weaponization of law enforcement agencies to attack their political enemies. There have been a half dozen different investigations into President Trump by the FBI, IRS, and Congress. They've turned up nothing of note. In the words of the former FBI Counterintelligence Agent, Peter Strzok, "There's no there there."

SpaceNut · 2022-08-17 19:40:27

There is no 'magic wand' and "can't do it in secret," and then following that Weeks before Mar-a-Lago search, Kash Patel ex-Trump DOD official vowed to publish classified documents from National Archives and with each document the CIA had to come up with ways to keep them from ending up in Trumps pockets.

Calliban · 2022-08-20 21:53:28

The Chinese appear to be preparing for war.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ … ing-go-war

kbd512 · 2022-08-21 01:28:29

China will most likely obliterate Taiwan while President Biden or his handlers are in charge. China never pulled this crap when President Trump was in office, because they knew what the immediate result would be. China won't be able to take over Taiwan because their Navy doesn't have the capacity to deliver enough troops and their total professional military force is woefully insufficient for such an operation, but they can still bomb Taiwan back to the Stone Age using conventional weapons, which Russia has already proven, even though Russia likewise lacks the requisite troop strength to control Ukraine militarily. If the entire point was to prevent your adversaries, real or imagined, from ever being capable of attacking, then mission accomplished on both accounts. Whereas Russia is mostly a nuclear power, which is now self-evident, China has considerable conventional military capabilities.

If it were up to me, 8 of our 10 carrier battle groups would be in the Pacific, because Russia doesn't have a naval fleet worth mentioning. We need vastly more F-35C models, more F-35Bs for our jump carriers, and we need the UK to send Queen Elizabeth, and then maybe we have the minimum amount of naval air power to blunt the coming Chinese assault on Taiwan. The bulk of USAF's F-35As and F-15Es need to be flown to Japan, post-haste.

We need the F-35s to sink China's ships using our new NSMs and LRASMs, we need the EA-18Gs to go after their coastal air defenses, and we need the F-15Es to destroy any air bases within striking range of Taiwan. We'll need comparatively high-end weapons to do this, as compared to what was used in Iraq or Afghanistan. UK and Queen Elizabeth will be tasked with defending Hong Kong. The Chinese will go after Hong Kong civilians if they think they can use the threat of mass murder as a bargaining chip in their military ambitions, and we've already seen this during past unrest there.

There will be no more microchips, thus no more "green-anything", if Taiwan is seriously harmed. Taiwan alone accounts for 92% of all advanced semi-conductors made on planet Earth. Most of the rest are produced in Korea or Japan, which are busily moving production to the United States to maintain their income sources. They implicitly understand how rough their neighborhood is. Without the supply of advanced semiconductors, that means no more cell phones, no more laptops, no more computer-controlled Lithium-ion batteries and solar panels, no more gadget-laden gasoline-powered cars, and no more arcade games on wheels, aka "battery-electric vehicles". If that's not enough of a threat to warrant the attention of the Biden administration, then I don't know what qualifies.

Edit: I almost forgot, but we'll need Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan, Korea, and Singapore to protect the other allied countries in the area, because the Chinese won't hesitate to attack those as well, in an attempt to spread our forces too thin to effectively stop them from completing their main objective of taking or destroying Taiwan. Apart from the US, they're the largest military in the area by a lot.

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