Ex-CIA director: Trump performance 'nothing short of treasonous'

EdwardHeisler · 2018-07-16 10:57:45

Ex-CIA director: Trump news conference performance 'nothing short of treasonous'
By Maegan Vazquez, CNN
Mon July 16, 2018
CNN

Former CIA Director John Brennan called President Donald Trump's performance at Monday's news conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin "nothing short of treasonous."

At the news conference following his one-on-one meeting Putin in Helsinki, Finland, Trump declined to endorse the US intelligence community's assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 election over Putin's denial, saying the Russian President was "extremely strong and powerful" in his denial.

"Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous," Brennan, a frequent critic of Trump, tweeted during the event. "Not only were Trump's comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???"

Brennan served as director of the CIA from 2013 through January 2017.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics … index.html

SpaceNut · 2018-07-16 12:59:56

Weaking the US again and again taking the words of Putin over his own nations central intellegance agency. Bashing our allies along the way to his summit.

Heading into Putin meeting, Trump again bashes allies and avoids election-meddling issue

The summit has been seen by many that have watched the news casts with all of those that have gone on to issue statements to the same which its been seen as a treasonous act against America ideals.
The coverage has been across the board for his wrong doings in denial of election interferance and more.
Denouncing the EU and Nato as freinds but are foes....is delusional. This even came from his own Fox news sites as well universally negative, with especially critical statements coming from members of Trump’s own party.

"That is not just the finding of the American intelligence community but also the House Committee on Intelligence. Ryan: 'The president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally'

'Bizarre' and 'shameful': Republicans lead responses to Trump news conference with Putin

"There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world. That is not just the finding of the American intelligence community but also the House Committee on Intelligence," Ryan said. "The president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally. There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals. The United States must be focused on holding Russia accountable and putting an end to its vile attacks on democracy."

Those that are pro Trump will not listen to what was said by Hillary Clinton hits Trump over Putin summit, with a World Cup reference

kbd512 · 2018-07-16 14:31:54

SpaceNut,

We were hostile to the communist party in control of Russia's government for the better part of the last century because they were hostile towards us. Our nation's Central Intelligence Agency still wants to pretend that the communist government that controlled Russia in the past is still in power, but that government has been gone for decades. It's an oligarchy now with an economy similar in size to the State of California. Apart from their nuclear weapons, which are very real, they're no more a threat to us than Iran is and arguably less since they're not controlled by unelected religious zealots.

How do you want to "hold Russia accountable"?

Implement more sanctions? We've already sanctioned them out the wazoo. They don't do a lot of business with us, so it's had little effect. Maybe you can convince President Xi to stop doing business with the Russians, but I kinda doubt it.

Do you want to start a war with the Russians because they said bad things about former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, or posted her E-Mails on the internet?

louis · 2018-07-16 14:43:25

Isn't John Brennan the guy who by his own admission used to vote Communist and who a colleague claims converted to Wahaabi Islam while in Saudi Arabia (something he has never denied and indeed gave credence to when he swore on the constitution rather than the more traditional bible)? And wasn't he the guy who claimed (under oath but unconvincingly) to be completely unaware of the "dirty dossier" even while the FBI had it?

EdwardHeisler wrote:

Ex-CIA director: Trump news conference performance 'nothing short of treasonous'
By Maegan Vazquez, CNN
Mon July 16, 2018
CNN

Former CIA Director John Brennan called President Donald Trump's performance at Monday's news conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin "nothing short of treasonous."
At the news conference following his one-on-one meeting Putin in Helsinki, Finland, Trump declined to endorse the US intelligence community's assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 election over Putin's denial, saying the Russian President was "extremely strong and powerful" in his denial.
"Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous," Brennan, a frequent critic of Trump, tweeted during the event. "Not only were Trump's comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???"
Brennan served as director of the CIA from 2013 through January 2017.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics … index.html

Terraformer · 2018-07-16 15:08:10

Didn't the CIA fight a proxy war with the Pentagon, in Syria?

kbd512 · 2018-07-16 15:25:48

Louis,

American politics has devolved to a point where anyone who says something negative about the other political party is given their 15 minutes of fame and lofted onto a pedestal as someone who should be taken seriously. Our inability to get along with each other in recent times has been a greater threat to our ideals and institutions than any foreign power could ever hope to be. It's an ominous sign of things to come.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if a spook was trying to re-live the past. When there's nothing left to use to scare the kiddies into providing protection money for your racket, it's really hard to do business. The good 'ole days of running drugs into America from Southeast Asia are long gone and until former President Obama was in office, we'd stopped the practice of assassinating foreign heads of state, especially ones who did what we told them to do. I just think they're upset that they're not getting more action than they think they should get. Under former President Obama, they were routinely permitted to launch Hellfire missiles and drop JDAM's on people, to include American citizens.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-11-02 04:35:31

How did those spooks and clowns gets so powerful ... I know they were allowing stuff like Epstien and 'The Finders' and the growth of radical islamism for years and i guess they kinda became a mirror image of that KGB crap... and back in the day what would a guy like Thomas Jefferson fighting a war for America's shipping across Europe and North Africa, what would a founding father think of this type of personality. He speaks prefect Arabic and loves the jihads, he speaks that Arabic pro islamist crap in public, even gets filmed saying pro-islamist nonsense, repeats the language of the terrorist mohammedans quoting crazy religious bits from their political Sharia Law books, he gives praise to mahomet, the terrorist pedophile who founded islam and he quotes that mahomet guy who married a 6 yr old a guy who stole, beheaded and looted and killed across Arabia, Brennan praises Islam and the Hajj and speaks Arabic. I don't get why someone would like more islamism in America, was he taking it up the tailpipe by some dude in Arabia or Egypt or Saudi, blackmail or compromised by another Muslim? I don't really get J B but maybe I think I understand now why Kennedy wanted to smash “the C.I.A. in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.”

Brennan: "We're No Longer The World's Role Model For Democracy," Republicans Will Exploit Fears To Win
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video … o_win.html
Take closer look at John Brennan
https://www.islandpacket.com/opinion/le … 53595.html
No Tears From John Brennan Losing Security Clearance - And Response
https://www.chattanoogan.com/2018/8/20/ … osing.aspx

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2021-11-02 04:37:34)

kbd512 · 2021-11-02 14:24:45

Mars_B4_Moon,

Brennan is a self-avowed communist. That's all you need to know about him. He will tell any lie and do any deed, in support of the communist party. Whatever distinguishing characteristics that best describe him and his malfeasance against the American people, he imputes to better men who have brushed him aside, namely President Trump.

Democrats never could achieve the "real change" that they said they wanted, whatever that was, since none of them could agree upon their definition of "real change", so they defaulted back to behaving like insurgents (Brennan), terrorists (blm and antifa), or actual communists (also Brennan, the founders of blm, and most members of antifa). That's what they did in the 1970s, and why the FBI and CIA of that era were actively fighting against the communists, rather than joining them. As the boomer kids aged out and became the establishment, they thought they were going to implement "real change", which never happened.

The fall of the Soviet Union was a crushing blow to the limitless egos of our home-grown communists, so then they glommed on to the global terrorism idiocy started by former President Bush, except that the muslims are totally disinterested in communism, because it subverts the supremacy of their religion. Now that these radicals are ideologically homeless, since the Democrat Party has gone full corporatist (what they thought their parents' generation represented when they became teenagers), they're struggling to try to remain relevant. All of them still have the reasoning capabilities of your average teenager, which is to say very little, except now they're capable of hurting more than just themselves and the people who love them.

In short, they're nothing but a loosely associated collection of anti-American radicals who can't organize their way out of a wet paper bag, even when they have absolute control over the US government. That's where all the new age / nihilist / post-modern dead-head BS movements from the 1960s and 1970s went to die. The leadership is old enough to know how the first movement ended, and now they're even more bitter because all of their nonsense ended up in the exact same place two generations later.

I'm fighting against "The Man", says the childish clown (Brennan) who is now the very embodiment of "The Man". Brennan is a Derpistani tribesman, same as the rest of the Derps in Hollyweird.

Basically, they were in charge of government under former President Obama and now President Biden, but never could manage to do anything useful with our government, so now they're trying to tear it all down in childish fit of rage over their own ineptitude. China is supposed to take over and do something useful since none of these goofballs can figure out what to do. They always were goofballs, but now the entire world knows it, and China is not amused, because their existence as a first-world nation is pinned to the global economy that the post-WWII US system was intended to create, until Bush / Obama / Trump / Biden tore it down because it did nothing for America.

The people who still vote for Democrats, still think they're voting for the party of Kennedy, but the communists murdered Kennedy and we, as a nation, never recovered from that. Afterwards the Democrats lost all moral and ideological grounding, basically their connection back to being Americans, even if they held whatever would be considered radical viewpoints at the time. Now it's just anti-Americanism masquerading as social justice or caring about the environment or any other nonsense cause, because if they're not "fighting for something", then they lack a purpose in life. Democrats were great back in the 1960s when Kennedy moved them away from racism and Jim Crow, but some habits die hard and the old guard never gave up on their racist ideas.

Somewhere along the way, they lost their humanity and became the very thing they claimed to detest so much, namely corporatist oligarchs who don't care at all about the plight of the people under their capricious dictatorial rule. All we get now is excuses for failures or blaming "the other guy", empty platitudes, and total non-arguments for why they behave the way they do. They've lost the plot, even if they don't see it.

Think about this. President Trump was a Democrat his entire life, before 2016. He switched parties, proved how stupid and useless to the American people that both parties had become, and they lost their ever-loving minds over the fact that President Trump exposed what both parties had truly become.

If Kennedy was alive today, they'd be calling him a nazi in the media, they'd prattle on about how he was destroying democracy in their little sewing circles, and that America was racist- all because Kennedy would have commanded them to do right by your country and your people, and Martin Luther King would be telling people to judge others by the content of their character, rather than their skin color.

How much further "full circle" do we need to come, before we recognize where we are?

louis · 2021-11-02 17:25:32

Better than that, it is claimed he converted to Islam in Saudi Arabia when he married a Muslim woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stakFxEoyWw

As far as I know, Brennan has never directly denied this claim. He didn't swear into office on the Bible - as is normal - he swore on the American constitution which is a joke given his subsequent attempts to unconstitutionally removed the duly elected President of the USA.

kbd512 wrote:

Mars_B4_Moon,
Brennan is a self-avowed communist. That's all you need to know about him. He will tell any lie and do any deed, in support of the communist party. Whatever distinguishing characteristics that best describe him and his malfeasance against the American people, he imputes to better men who have brushed him aside, namely President Trump.
Democrats never could achieve the "real change" that they said they wanted, whatever that was, since none of them could agree upon their definition of "real change", so they defaulted back to behaving like insurgents (Brennan), terrorists (blm and antifa), or actual communists (also Brennan, the founders of blm, and most members of antifa). That's what they did in the 1970s, and why the FBI and CIA of that era were actively fighting against the communists, rather than joining them. As the boomer kids aged out and became the establishment, they thought they were going to implement "real change", which never happened.
The fall of the Soviet Union was a crushing blow to the limitless egos of our home-grown communists, so then they glommed on to the global terrorism idiocy started by former President Bush, except that the muslims are totally disinterested in communism, because it subverts the supremacy of their religion. Now that these radicals are ideologically homeless, since the Democrat Party has gone full corporatist (what they thought their parents' generation represented when they became teenagers), they're struggling to try to remain relevant. All of them still have the reasoning capabilities of your average teenager, which is to say very little, except now they're capable of hurting more than just themselves and the people who love them.
In short, they're nothing but a loosely associated collection of anti-American radicals who can't organize their way out of a wet paper bag, even when they have absolute control over the US government. That's where all the new age / nihilist / post-modern dead-head BS movements from the 1960s and 1970s went to die. The leadership is old enough to know how the first movement ended, and now they're even more bitter because all of their nonsense ended up in the exact same place two generations later.
I'm fighting against "The Man", says the childish clown (Brennan) who is now the very embodiment of "The Man". Brennan is a Derpistani tribesman, same as the rest of the Derps in Hollyweird.
Basically, they were in charge of government under former President Obama and now President Biden, but never could manage to do anything useful with our government, so now they're trying to tear it all down in childish fit of rage over their own ineptitude. China is supposed to take over and do something useful since none of these goofballs can figure out what to do. They always were goofballs, but now the entire world knows it, and China is not amused, because their existence as a first-world nation is pinned to the global economy that the post-WWII US system was intended to create, until Bush / Obama / Trump / Biden tore it down because it did nothing for America.
The people who still vote for Democrats, still think they're voting for the party of Kennedy, but the communists murdered Kennedy and we, as a nation, never recovered from that. Afterwards the Democrats lost all moral and ideological grounding, basically their connection back to being Americans, even if they held whatever would be considered radical viewpoints at the time. Now it's just anti-Americanism masquerading as social justice or caring about the environment or any other nonsense cause, because if they're not "fighting for something", then they lack a purpose in life. Democrats were great back in the 1960s when Kennedy moved them away from racism and Jim Crow, but some habits die hard and the old guard never gave up on their racist ideas.
Somewhere along the way, they lost their humanity and became the very thing they claimed to detest so much, namely corporatist oligarchs who don't care at all about the plight of the people under their capricious dictatorial rule. All we get now is excuses for failures or blaming "the other guy", empty platitudes, and total non-arguments for why they behave the way they do. They've lost the plot, even if they don't see it.
Think about this. President Trump was a Democrat his entire life, before 2016. He switched parties, proved how stupid and useless to the American people that both parties had become, and they lost their ever-loving minds over the fact that President Trump exposed what both parties had truly become.
If Kennedy was alive today, they'd be calling him a nazi in the media, they'd prattle on about how he was destroying democracy in their little sewing circles, and that America was racist- all because Kennedy would have commanded them to do right by your country and your people, and Martin Luther King would be telling people to judge others by the content of their character, rather than their skin color.
How much further "full circle" do we need to come, before we recognize where we are?

kbd512 · 2021-11-02 22:43:17

Louis,

99% of all people of all religions have never hurt anyone, no matter who they profess to hate. For that reason, I don't care about Brennan's religious beliefs. I do care about a government official saying, "I'm a communist". That's no different to me than a government official saying, "I'm a nazi".

communist = socialist = nazi

They're all evil. All of them. Always. Period. There is no other story. All of them mass murder people, the very moment an opportunity presents itself to do so. They're all liars and they're all brutal thugs. A 5 minute conversation with any of them should remove all doubt. The victim / oppressor narrative is only about giving them an excuse to victimize more people. Who cares if some "special socialists" are also racist to boot when the end result of their thuggery is always exactly the same?

The nazis thought their own country's brand of socialism is best. They're still socialists. Hitler said he was a racist socialist who thought German / Aryan socialism was superior to any other socialism. To paraphrase that nazi collaborator Soros, "he was a bit of a nut with a purpose". Soros was actually describing himself in a television interview, but he may as well have been talking about Hitler.

"... I am a socialist, and a very different kind of socialist from your rich friend Reventlow. I was once an ordinary workingman… But your kind of socialism is nothing but Marxism." - Adolf Hitler

Here's the Washington Post's attempt to obfuscate history:

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists

Why does the right need to continuously and correctly assert that nazis were / are a bunch of filthy socialists?

It's an absolutely 100% true and indisputable historical fact. That's why. The radical left has no answer for it, because they're duplicitous conniving liars, like all socialists, and are trying to conceal their horrifically evil nature by attacking their political enemies with, "Nuh uh, bro, that's you not me." All they have to say regarding their murderous nature is to point at another one of their murderous socialist groups, claim them to somehow be different than other socialists, and say, "It was them, not us."

The more people learn about human history unfiltered through the lens of marxist ideology, the less appealing the radical left becomes.

This is the opening line in the article:

Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?

Well, no, because I'm as ignorant as every blue-haired screaming and chanting leftist lunatic on your typical college campus. In all seriousness, though, these are the exact same evil thugs who were claiming that they needed to bomb American cities to exterminate the Trump supporters who lived there. To add to that, they then went on to assert that we needed concentration camps for the unvaccinated. Don't look now, but that is not only the exact same language that the real historical nazis used, it's also what the real historical nazis literally did to all of their ideological and racial enemies.

This is the sort of nonsense that Vox (another radical leftist rag) uses as "proof" that Hitler was not a socialist (that he wasn't a marxist):

Your socialism is Marxism pure and simple. You see, the great mass of workers only wants bread and circuses. Ideas are not accessible to them and we cannot hope to win them over. We attach ourselves to the fringe, the race of lords, which did not grow through a miserabilist doctrine and knows by the virtue of its own character that it is called to rule, and rule without weakness over the masses of beings.

These Derpistanis over at Vox must think none of the Derps who subscribe to their marxist crapaganda can read, and given how few of the kids can carry on a conversation these days or spell out their words when texting each other, they might have a point there. However, most of the rest of us are totally disinterested in the monumental difference between a POH-TAY-TOE and a POH-TAH-TOE. It's nuance that doesn't matter, like the difference between being killed by a virus released by communists versus a nuclear weapon released by communists. Either way, you're still every bit as dead and the communists will still lie about it, because that's the nature of evil.

A mildly humorous note about Wikipedia is that while it doesn't put the German / Italian national socialist information on the same page as their socialist / communist information, they also have an entry on the socialist / communist page for the Chinese National Socialist and Vietnamese National Socialist movements. What was the defining characteristic of those socialists? They thought their own people were "the best socialists around", and all other people were of lesser quality than they were, by dint of where they came from and what they looked like. Where have I heard that crap before? Oh yes, from other national socialists.

If well over 150 million people hadn't been murdered under various forms of socialism, then watching these evil twits argue over the best form of their idiocy with each other would be a riot (not the antifa and blm variety). Unfortunately, the sad fact of the matter is that if we laid the end results of their ideology head-to-toe, their collective abject failure to demonstrate any humanity, then the bodies would circle the entire world almost 7 times!

louis · 2021-11-03 08:54:05

You do understand that a sincere believer in Sharia law wants to see the destruction of the USA with its secular constitution, don't you?

kbd512 wrote:

Louis,
99% of all people of all religions have never hurt anyone, no matter who they profess to hate. For that reason, I don't care about Brennan's religious beliefs. I do care about a government official saying, "I'm a communist". That's no different to me than a government official saying, "I'm a nazi".
communist = socialist = nazi
They're all evil. All of them. Always. Period. There is no other story. All of them mass murder people, the very moment an opportunity presents itself to do so. They're all liars and they're all brutal thugs. A 5 minute conversation with any of them should remove all doubt. The victim / oppressor narrative is only about giving them an excuse to victimize more people. Who cares if some "special socialists" are also racist to boot when the end result of their thuggery is always exactly the same?
The nazis thought their own country's brand of socialism is best. They're still socialists. Hitler said he was a racist socialist who thought German / Aryan socialism was superior to any other socialism. To paraphrase that nazi collaborator Soros, "he was a bit of a nut with a purpose". Soros was actually describing himself in a television interview, but he may as well have been talking about Hitler.
"... I am a socialist, and a very different kind of socialist from your rich friend Reventlow. I was once an ordinary workingman… But your kind of socialism is nothing but Marxism." - Adolf Hitler
Here's the Washington Post's attempt to obfuscate history:
The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists
Why does the right need to continuously and correctly assert that nazis were / are a bunch of filthy socialists?
It's an absolutely 100% true and indisputable historical fact. That's why. The radical left has no answer for it, because they're duplicitous conniving liars, like all socialists, and are trying to conceal their horrifically evil nature by attacking their political enemies with, "Nuh uh, bro, that's you not me." All they have to say regarding their murderous nature is to point at another one of their murderous socialist groups, claim them to somehow be different than other socialists, and say, "It was them, not us."
The more people learn about human history unfiltered through the lens of marxist ideology, the less appealing the radical left becomes.
This is the opening line in the article:
Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?
Well, no, because I'm as ignorant as every blue-haired screaming and chanting leftist lunatic on your typical college campus. In all seriousness, though, these are the exact same evil thugs who were claiming that they needed to bomb American cities to exterminate the Trump supporters who lived there. To add to that, they then went on to assert that we needed concentration camps for the unvaccinated. Don't look now, but that is not only the exact same language that the real historical nazis used, it's also what the real historical nazis literally did to all of their ideological and racial enemies.
This is the sort of nonsense that Vox (another radical leftist rag) uses as "proof" that Hitler was not a socialist (that he wasn't a marxist):
Your socialism is Marxism pure and simple. You see, the great mass of workers only wants bread and circuses. Ideas are not accessible to them and we cannot hope to win them over. We attach ourselves to the fringe, the race of lords, which did not grow through a miserabilist doctrine and knows by the virtue of its own character that it is called to rule, and rule without weakness over the masses of beings.
These Derpistanis over at Vox must think none of the Derps who subscribe to their marxist crapaganda can read, and given how few of the kids can carry on a conversation these days or spell out their words when texting each other, they might have a point there. However, most of the rest of us are totally disinterested in the monumental difference between a POH-TAY-TOE and a POH-TAH-TOE. It's nuance that doesn't matter, like the difference between being killed by a virus released by communists versus a nuclear weapon released by communists. Either way, you're still every bit as dead and the communists will still lie about it, because that's the nature of evil.
A mildly humorous note about Wikipedia is that while it doesn't put the German / Italian national socialist information on the same page as their socialist / communist information, they also have an entry on the socialist / communist page for the Chinese National Socialist and Vietnamese National Socialist movements. What was the defining characteristic of those socialists? They thought their own people were "the best socialists around", and all other people were of lesser quality than they were, by dint of where they came from and what they looked like. Where have I heard that crap before? Oh yes, from other national socialists.
If well over 150 million people hadn't been murdered under various forms of socialism, then watching these evil twits argue over the best form of their idiocy with each other would be a riot (not the antifa and blm variety). Unfortunately, the sad fact of the matter is that if we laid the end results of their ideology head-to-toe, their collective abject failure to demonstrate any humanity, then the bodies would circle the entire world almost 7 times!

Last edited by louis (2021-11-03 08:54:27)

kbd512 · 2021-11-03 10:31:30

Louis,

There are no sincere believers. That's why the 9/11 attackers were out drinking in bars and going to strip clubs before they did what they did, questioning whether or not they were totally crazy for attacking a country where they could live the way they were living. Christians don't follow their god's most important commandment (to love their god and their neighbors as themselves), Islamists aren't peaceful, and Judaism turned Israel into a nation that now greatly resembles the nazi concentration camps so few were able to walk out of (the guards and the inmates switch places). There are entire generations who can't even explain why they hate each other. The major religions are like the apes and the bananas inside the cage, being sprayed with cold water when they try to get the bananas, and they're so fixated on what they think is wrong with the other apes in the cage that they don't see it. They're also totally unwilling to compromise, just like the socialists / communists.

All religions engage in group-think, which is how violence becomes normalized within religious groups. None are immune to that problem, not even the Buddhists and Shinto religious groups, though they are admittedly far less of a threat to peace than the desert religions from the Middle East. The religious leaders are the ones who convince their followers to carry out this insanity. Wanting to go to a foreign land to mass murder everyone there who refuses to accept your religion is not a natural act. The poisonous conditions for that to occur have to be carefully concocted over many years, sometimes multiple generations of people. That's why there were not continuous crusades from the beginning to the end of the Middle Ages, or before, or since. In the end, it's always about power and control, same as socialism / communism. The difference is in the body count within living memory. There's no comparison between socialism / communism and religion over the past century.

I could argue that they're the same, because they produce the same end result, but it's done for different reasons. The religious think they're doing the bidding of a mythical sky wizard. The socialists / communists want absolute life-and-death power over other people, and feel entitled to take what they create. You can convert to Islam and escape the executioner's axe. You can be the most loyal communist imaginable, yet they will still murder you and your family if it means more power for the people accusing you of a crime against the state. Stalin murdered his childhood friends, men who were socialists to their core, all because of false charges intended to allow the accusers to leap frog to a new position of greater power / prestige / wealth. When was the last time you heard of a priest murdering another priest to become bishop in his place? The mafia and government officials in totalitarian states do that kind of thing on a routine basis, whereas at present none of the religions do. Even if you can find an exception somewhere, it's not even close to normative, whereas this is a never-ending problem in every totalitarian regime based upon socialism / communism. China went through another round of purges (political allegiance murders) after President Xi came to power, for example.

Even when everyone is perfectly willing to be socialists / communists, the blood lust of the leadership won't permit the people to live in tranquility. Somebody is always at fault for something and the only acceptable solution is to murder them. That tells me that there's something rotten to the core of their ideology. Since those with power refuse to live with any differences, the cycle of violence never ends.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-07-30 18:08:47

Looks like they are handing out Crack, LSD and other drugs at Langley again!??

US military base host a drag show at a "family friendly" festival

https://www.dailywire.com/news/air-forc … at-langley

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/r … w-n1617034

yet soldiers
recruitment at an all time low?

kbd512 wrote:

Louis,
That's why the 9/11 attackers were out drinking in bars and going to strip clubs before they did what they did

I have spoken with a few softer version of the moslem in the Western world, the less jihad islamic idiots I have met in my time. As I understand many of them consider the West a type of Babylon a land of the infidel and for some any such crimes do not 'count' there. You can dodge past crimes and sin or use a Get-Out-Of-Jail card, much like Christians would pay some Pope to be forgiven or ask a King to bless them and pay tribute for past wrongs or go to Confession make so many prayers, or like some sects of Jews 'mentally' and magically transfer their historical sins inside some poor chicken bird animal and then their sins vanish as they beat a chicken to death 'Kapparot' I believe is what it is called. The Arab culture has a get-out move they can play, the muslim also has ways to dodge past crimes, it also seems crimes matter less against infidel people or 'Kafir', in Spanish lands while muslim inavded it became dar al-harb, which means territory of invasion, sin and war, "the house or abode of war," where rape or slavery or fatwas or a pedophile warlord invading and taking little girls as wives was permitted, the crime against an infidel was a lesser crime against a 'dog' they are also allowed shift their moral positions, to act as wolves in sheep's clothing and live a life of lies and deception as long as it help islamism spread, know four words, these 4 words are Takiyya, Kitamn, Al-tawriya and Murna and are perfectly normal for them, their islamic books contain other instruction infiltration by trojan horse or when you can not win in a fair fight on a battlefield invade by way of deception and migration.

Their Moongod al-Lah is the Best Deceiver
a jihadi quote can be found in the Koran book or Qur'an 3:54

Anotehr passage reads O My slaves who have transgressed against themselves by committing evil deeds and sins! Despair not of the Mercy of of your pedophile terroristic Babylon Moongod verily, the Moongod forgives all sins.
another writing of the Koran or Quran 39:53

The prophet moohamamd also liked to suck the tongues of little boys, in islamic holy writings Mua’wiya said I saw the prophet sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of the demon Moongod al-Lah be upon him. Did he molest his kids as Woody Allen did or want to marry and breed with his own family and cousin as Jerry Lee Lewis did or The Mamas & the Papas incest sandals, there is a Hadith about the so called prophet and his daughter.
Virgins, little girls and boys as beautiful as pearls are promised to the jihadi muslim in its so called imagined afterlife.
Did Muhammad a man muslims believe a prophet, rape animals, have sex with his dead aunt and suck the tongue of his grandson?

the pedophile camel jacker Prophet of the muslims Moohammad who spread islamism also said, "War is deception."
muslims believe this criminal bandit is a 'Holy Prophet'

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-08-12 18:01:58

Hopefully the country stays united or...

a nu politic internal War is coming?

‘Sounds about Right’: Ex-CIA Chief Michael Hayden Implies Trump Should Be Executed for Taking Classified Docs
https://news.yahoo.com/sounds-ex-cia-ch … 11070.html
Michael Hayden seemed to endorse the execution of Trump??

kbd512 · 2022-08-13 04:14:20

Mars_B4_Moon,

I've noticed that people calling for the execution of other people, on the basis that they simply don't like them, also tend to be some of the very least accountable and horrendously criminal bad actors out there. There have literally been hundreds of innocent civilians killed in CIA-sponsored drone strikes. If Director Hayden believes that's an acceptable way to "protect his countrymen", and obviously he does after the sheer number carried out during the Obama administration, then he and his family must also be fair game in the minds of all the Islamic jihadis out there who think and act the same way he does. I've listened to some of the speeches that Director Hayden has given. He seems to think that whatever he deems reasonable is subject to his reaction to past or current events. If enough other people decided such courses of action were acceptable, then both of these groups of belligerents would only succeed in digging their own graves.

Many critics and experts on interrogation techniques maintain that torture does not work to yield reliable information, including in the context of CIA detainees, and Hayden said such views, or the notion that torture never yield useful intelligence, is not credible and the product of "interrogation deniers".

"Interrogation deniers"?... I think I've heard that one before. What the hell does that sound like?

Critics of the nomination and Hayden's attempts to increase domestic surveillance included Senator Dianne Feinstein who stated on May 11, 2006, that "I happen to believe we are on our way to a major constitutional confrontation on Fourth Amendment guarantees of unreasonable search and seizure".
According to Leon Panetta's memoir, Worthy Fights, Hayden had hoped to be retained as CIA director by the Obama administration and derisively referred to his successor as "Rahm Emanuel's goombah".
In September 2013, Hayden stressed the indisputable legality of "what the NSA is doing" and called Edward Snowden a "troubled young man" and "morally arrogant to a tremendous degree"; he also said about his prospects in Russia: "I suspect he will end up like most of the rest of the defectors who went to the old Soviet Union: Isolated, bored, lonely, depressed—and most of them ended up alcoholics."
The 2014 Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture cited an email prepared by a subordinate that indicated that as CIA Director, Hayden instructed that out-of-date information be used in briefing Congress so that fewer than 100 Guantanamo Bay detainees would be reported.
In 2020, a federal court ruled that the NSA program of mass surveillance of Americans’ telephone records was illegal and possibly unconstitutional.

Morally arrogant to a tremendous degree? Well, I guess it takes one to know one.

Bush, Putin, Biden, Hayden... They're all cut from the same cloth.

I'm sure the fact that Hayden is a Democrat had nothing at all to do with his beliefs, either. Naturally, when someone from his political party did the exact same thing they're accusing President Trump of doing, not a peep.

What a crock.

SpaceNut · 2022-08-14 14:09:18

All the delaying tactics are over as appeals-court-rules-trump-must-give-tax-records-to-house-panel video

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-02-21 04:28:49

Former CIA Director says it'd be 'impulsive' to try to shoot down China's spy balloon

https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-cia- … oon-2023-2

kbd512 · 2023-02-21 18:27:54

Brennan is a communist. It's only natural that he doesn't approve of America "interfering with" the military hardware of his fellow communists in China. The man is an insurgent operating in plain sight. Anyone who openly claims to be a communist should not be employed by the US federal government, not even as a dog catcher, and certainly not as our CIA Director.

We argued over the best way to bring it down, but very few people, Democrat or Republican, cared that President Biden had the Air Force bring it down. I just wish we either intercepted and downed it before it flew over our ICBM silos and B-2 base, or hadn't blown it to bits using a Sidewinder so we could possibly figure out what data it recorded and what its true capabilities were. Both of those opportunities are now gone, but we'll see what we can recover.

As far as letting the Chinese know what was acceptable behavior, if they cared at all about Amerian sovereignty, then they would've informed us that they lost track of a high altitude weather balloon. Since that's the exact opposite of what they actually did, we're well within our rights to shoot it down.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-11 01:55:34

Donald Trump set to be arrested again after federal charges

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-set … 50737.html

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-14 10:51:32

Trump unloads on special counsel Jack Smith

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba … raignment/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-18 14:45:38

Is there any centrist healing candidate a maker builder type who maybe help NASA and jobs and science but also would not be hated and can build bridges?

It's been years of constant Left vs Right, or Conservative vs Liberal madness and it's not even election year and already the crazies are on tv, Delegate Stacey Plaskett from the US Virgin Islands made an unexpected Freudian slip? statement by stating, ...[ Trump ] ... “ needs to be shot…stopped,” In a recent statement, Plaskett expressed her concerns about MAGA Republicans, describing them as a perceived threat to planet Earth?

She made the news for also other reasons

Former First Lady of US Virgin Islands told pedophile Jeffrey Epstein she took his requests 'very seriously' and that they would be handled 'in the most confidential of ways' in shocking 2014 email
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … ealed.html
In 2014, De Jongh solicited political donations from Epstein and his employees for the congressional campaign of Stacey Plaskett, who was elected as a non-voting delegate to the US House of Representatives.
Epstein sent garbled instructions to 'DonTe max. no nsme' to the campaign of Stacey Plaskett, who was elected as a non-voting delegate to the US House of Representatives.

FBI once put out files pubic on 'The Finders' a group The Finders were an intentional community and a cult founded in Washington, D.C. It came to wider public attention when two members of the movement were arrested in Tallahassee, Florida, in 1987 and charged with misdemeanor child abuse of the six children accompanying them, the two men having responded with silence when, in a public park, the police inquired as to their identity and relationship to the children. The issue was brought to wider attention in 1993 when Henry T. “Skip” Clements, an officer in private-sector consulting and a resident of Stuart, Florida, obtained a copy of the 1987 report which stated that the DC Police Department investigation into The Finders had been dropped as a "a CIA internal matter." Clements alleged that the Central Intelligence Agency had compelled the U.S. Customs Service to cease the investigation, supposedly because the commune was used as a front to train agents. Clements' allegations drew the interest of two United States Congress members Tom Lewis and Charlie Rose lead to an investigation by the Department of Justice into the Finders and the 1987 investigation. CIA spokesman David Christian asserted that the charges were a misunderstanding stemming from a company by the name of Future Enterprises Inc. being used to train agents, with one member of the Finders working as a part-time accountant there.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230314062 … tanic-cult

https://web.archive.org/web/20201101115 … 0492a41ade

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/ … 487934001/

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-07-07 08:12:44

Seems AI fake voice and an artificial face made by CGI is now part of the election

'Donald Trump and Joe Biden deep fakes take AI to new scary level'
https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno … e07369b5e9

Donald Trump and Joe Biden are going head to head in a 24/7 debate, live streamed on Twitch

Biden allies brush off calls for primary debates
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … y-debates/

Marianne Williamson blasts DNC for supporting Biden in 2024, refusing to hold debates
https://nypost.com/2023/07/03/marianne- … d-debates/

Censoring RFK Jr. is only making his voice louder
https://nypost.com/2023/07/01/youtube-c … ce-louder/

Ron DeSantis vows to attend the first debate whether Trump shows or not
https://www.businessinsider.com/desanti … ary-2023-7

Pence super PAC launches Iowa ad attacking Trump as 'apologist for thugs and dictators'
https://news.yahoo.com/pence-super-pac- … 58039.html

France’s Police Unions Are Mobilizing to Defend Their Impunity
https://jacobin.com/2023/07/france-poli … government

French navy investigates claims that off-duty marines beat up suspected rioters
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ … ed-rioters

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-09 11:02:45

Mitch McConnell: Biden Impeachment is ‘Not Good for the Country’
https://nypost.com/2023/08/08/mcconnell … e-country/
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has gently nudged his Republican counterparts in the House of Representatives to pump the brakes on chatter of impeaching President Biden.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-11-25 11:08:12

Trudeau blames ‘MAGA influence’ for Ukraine skepticism on Canada’s right

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa … das-right/

“The real story is the rise of a right-wing, American MAGA-influenced thinking that has made Canadian Conservatives — who used to be among the strongest defenders of Ukraine, I’ll admit it — turn their backs on something Ukraine needs in its hour of need,” Trudeau said Friday, according to the CBC.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-06-01 13:57:52

Trump verdict proves Kyrsten Sinema right. The day after the election will be trouble
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-verdic … 03563.html

Trump Attorney Todd Blanche: Trump Did Not Get A Fair Trial, "We Were All More Upset Than He Was"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video … e_was.html

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