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#26 2022-04-14 04:52:11

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ESA ends cooperation with Russia on lunar missions
https://spacenews.com/esa-ends-cooperat … -missions/

ESA Discontinuing Cooperation with Russia due to Ukraine Invasion
https://spacechannel.com/esa-discontinu … -invasion/

European Space Agency stops cooperation with Russian lunar missions
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Euro … s_999.html

The European Space Agency on Wednesday ended cooperation with Russia on three missions to the Moon due to Moscow's invasion of Ukraine, following a previous decision to do the same for a Mars mission.

The ESA said it would "discontinue cooperative activities" on Luna-25, 26 and 27, a series of Russian lunar missions on which the European agency had aimed to test new equipment and technology.

In late March, collaboration on ExoMars, a plan to land a rover on Mars to drill into the soil and search for signs of life, was suspended as well.

"As with ExoMars, the Russian aggression against Ukraine and the resulting sanctions put in place represent a fundamental change of circumstances and make it impossible for ESA to implement the planned lunar cooperation," the ESA said in a statement.

The ESA had planned to have a navigation camera called Pilot-D on the Luna-25 probe, whose launch is scheduled for this summer.

ESA Director-General Josef Aschbacher told a press briefing the camera was going to be dismantled and taken off the launch, and that Russia's space agency, Roscosmos, had already been informed.

The ESA is looking for other options and partners to test the technology that would have formed part of the Russian missions, it said, adding some had already been found.

An alternative mission for Pilot-D "is already being procured from a commercial service provider", the agency said.

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#27 2022-05-07 07:18:35

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SRB booster for a Vehicle?

M10 engine test success marks key step toward Vega-E
https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Sp … ard_Vega-E

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#28 2022-05-07 19:44:43

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Something key to the ESA vehicle is

The 10-t class M10 uses more environmentally sustainable propellants – cryogenic liquid oxygen and methane – and features an advanced pressure control system that enables multiple stops and restarts in space, to place several satellites in different orbits with a single launch.

The engine also makes extensive use of additive layer manufacturing technologies – so-called 3D printing – to speed up manufacturing and reduce waste and production costs.

Seems the big kick is the fuel for mars

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#29 2022-06-14 19:22:44

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Ariane 6 cryogenic disconnection systems pass key tests

https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Vide … _key_tests

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#30 2022-06-29 11:49:15

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Panoramic Photography of Ariane 6 launch complex construction site

https://blogs.esa.int/ariane6/2019/06/1 … -may-2019/

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#31 2022-07-05 06:45:36

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Europe's Space Agency to Debut More Powerful Successor to Its Vega Rocket
https://gizmodo.com/vega-rocket-esa-spa … 1849070888


but no Heavy Left
So now that Soyuz has been banned from Kourou, no more Russian rockets launching from French Guiana South America.
Why not have Space-X launch from that site?

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#32 2022-07-05 07:17:07

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For Mars_B4_Moon re #31

Your question deserves an answer from Elon himself.

There is an entire set of energetic space journalists in the Internet media these days ... Your question might be given to one of them, (or all of them if they accept questions from the audience), and it seems to me likely one of them will be able to find a way to ask Mr. Musk directly.

Besides (as I think about it) this would give ESA passenger access to space, which they are unlikely to develop on their own.

SearchTerm:ESA SpaceX partnership question

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#33 2022-07-11 03:18:44

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#34 2022-08-12 10:59:42

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Europe eyes Musk's SpaceX to replace Russian rockets
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ex … 022-08-12/

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#35 2022-09-06 04:09:22

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Russia's Soyuz banned from French Guiana after the imperial invasion of Ukraine

Now Ariane-V retires

Ariane 5 To Launch Eutelsat VHTS As Workhorse Nears Retirement
https://aviationweek.com/aerospace/comm … retirement

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#36 2022-09-13 04:43:53

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Fly Me to the Moon! NASA’s Orion Spacecraft With the Airbus-Built European Service Module Is Ready for Launch
https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/b … for-launch

The ESM will be able to support a crew of four for 21 days

A pair of LOX tanks (similar to those used in the Apollo service module) would provide, along with small tanks of nitrogen, the crew with breathing air at sea-level or "cruising altitude" pressure (1 or 0.7 atm), with a small "surge tank" providing necessary life support during reentry and touchdown. Lithium hydroxide (LiOH) cartridges would recycle the spacecraft's environmental system by "scrubbing" the carbon dioxide (CO2) exhaled by the astronauts from ship's air and adding fresh oxygen and nitrogen, which was then cycled back out into the system loop. Because of the switch from fuel cells to solar panels, the service module would have an onboard water tank to provide drinking water for the crew, and (when mixed with glycol), cooling water for the spacecraft's electronics.

Looks like most effort is put into ESM, the European Service Module (ESM) is the service module component of the Orion spacecraft, serving as its primary power and propulsion component until it is discarded at the end of each mission. NASA announced that the European Space Agency (ESA) will contribute the service module for Artemis 1, based on the ESA's Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV). It was delivered by Airbus Defence and Space in Bremen, in northern Germany to NASA at the end of 2018. After approval of the first module, the ESA will provide the ESMs from Artemis 2 to Artemis 6.  In year 2021, the contract between Airbus and the European Space Agency to provide ESM-4 to ESM-6 was signed. https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration … _in_Europe  ESA and NASA sign a Memorandum of understanding which includes the provision by ESA of ESM-4 and ESM-5 as a participation in the Gateway, allowing three flights of European astronauts to Lunar orbit between 2025 and 2030. https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa … rtnership/

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#37 2022-09-13 12:59:39

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#38 2022-09-21 12:55:07

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Is Europe Building its Own Starship? Not Exactly

https://www.universetoday.com/157666/is … t-exactly/

Europe plans to have its own reusable spacecraft for cargo and crewed missions to LEO and beyond. It’s called SUSIE (Smart Upper Stage for Innovative Exploration). At first glance, it may look like Europe’s answer to SpaceX’s Starship, but it’s not that simple.

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#39 2022-09-23 13:54:10

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Social media video speculation

'Has Europe COPIED Starship? // TMRO Space News'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUlojC2fq8

A real model or more than something on the drawing board, the reusable 'Susie' spacecraft.

An older idea for a spacecraft Hermes was a proposed spaceplane designed by the French Centre National d'Études Spatiales (CNES) in 1975, and later by the European Space Agency (ESA)

https://web.archive.org/web/20160820192 … ermes.html

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#40 2023-01-15 12:18:08

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here is another relative to Tugs.

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#41 2023-08-12 14:53:49

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Voyager Space and Airbus enter Starlab partnership
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/content/n … artnership

Russia’s Return to the Moon: High Stakes Mission of Luna-25
https://www.leonarddavid.com/russias-re … f-luna-25/

NASA’s Orion Spacecraft Could Face Further Delays Ahead Of 2024 Launch—Here’s Why It’s Been Pushed Back
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesmone … shed-back/
North American astronauts slated to visit the moon as part of the Artemis II mission in 2024 could face further delays

Koch, Glover, Hansen, Wiseman
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-s-firs … issions-to

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