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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

Ah, but this ime it would get a colony set up which would keep the exploration going.

It's like, you need to run to the bus, but once you get there you can stop running but carry on moving.

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samy

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

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And... 98% reliability... Is that considered man-rated internationally?
It would not be considered man-rated by current US standards, but the risk would be considered acceptable for the Chinese.

It must be close. How reliable is the shuttle?

1 - 2/120 = 98.3%

Seems to be acceptable for the Americans too.

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

No, it's unacceptable. That's why the Shuttle is being retired and will be replaced by launcher ten times safer.

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samy

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

Sure hasn't stopped the most recent missions. They sure are accepting the risk.

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

Human space flight has always involved a lot of risk. If that level of was unacceptable, nobody would fly. Note that Soyuz has about the same historic risk per flight. NASA puts an enormous amount of care and preparation into each Shuttle flight, that's why it's so expensive ... about $1 billion per launch. And that's another reason why it needs to be replaced.

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samy

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

Human space flight has always involved a lot of risk. If that level of was unacceptable, nobody would fly.

Right, that's what I was saying. That 98% was acceptable.

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

The NASA-China space race is about to go nuclear
https://news.yahoo.com/nasa-china-space … 08539.html

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China's new-generation manned launch vehicle may have reusable first stage: report

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Chin … t_999.html

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

It is about the only way to build beyond the tinker toy designs of the past.
Its not like they can not copy a design from images of it.

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

Commercial rockets?

https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/ … 4963395584

The first full-system test of 50-ton level reusable liquid oxygen / kerosene Welkin(苍穹) engine of commercial space company GalacticEnergy(星河动力). The engine is designed for its reusable rocket PALLAS(智神星)-1.

Galactic Energy is a Chinese private space launch enterprise developing the Ceres-1 and Pallas-1 orbital rockets.

Other previous news

http://www.news.cn/english/2021-12/07/c_1310356331.htm
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2017/12/20/ … launchers/
https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/11/08/n … ut-launch/
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aer … h.amp.html

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

China to build a lunar communications and navigation constellation

https://spacenews.com/china-to-build-a- … tellation/

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

Chang'e 5, the next mission in China's lunar exploration program, will demonstrate and test the country's technological and engineering capabilities in space, according to a key figure in the project.
http://www.ecns.cn/news/2020-09-22/deta … 1957.shtml
Yu Dengyun, deputy chief designer of China's lunar exploration program, said on Sunday that Chang'e 5 will be launched by a Long March 5 heavy-lift carrier rocket at the Wenchang Space Launch Center in Hainan province by the end of 2020.

The 8.2-metric-ton robotic probe has four components－an orbiter, lander, ascender and re-entry module. After the probe reaches lunar orbit, the components will separate into two parts, with the orbiter and re-entry module remaining in orbit while the lander and ascender descend to the lunar surface.

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

China looks to launch liquid propellant rockets from the seas

https://spacenews.com/china-looks-to-la … -the-seas/

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

'Mengtian module at Wenchang - note the experiment airlock on the right side'

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/stat … 2281103360

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

NASA and China are eyeing the same landing sites near the lunar south pole
https://spacenews.com/nasa-and-china-ar … outh-pole/

Two astronauts will embark on the first EVA of the Shenzhou-14 mission in the next few hours. The pair will use the new Wentian module airlock for the first time. Astronauts will test the new small robotic arm, conduct evacuation drills and more.
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1565250729023049729

Chinese female taikonaut Liu Yang got out of the space station, following Shenzhou14’s commander Chen Dong. Together they performed tasks while Cai Xuzhe provided support in the core module.
https://twitter.com/wulei2020/status/15 … 5476472838

'In this clip, you see astronaut CHEN Dong assisting astronaut LIU Yang get her foot fitted in the adapter at the end of the robotic arm

sorry for the video quality'
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/statu … 7176153088

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

'Wow, YF-79 was not the only engine tested today. YF-100K for the new crewed launch vehicle Long March 5DY'
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/statu … 2456576001

CASC successfully tests 25 ton class expander cycle hydrolox engine
https://www.cnbeta.com/articles/science/1312617.htm
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https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4810379828396533

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Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

Research Station

Zero mention of Russia maybe the Chinese consider them dead weight

EU, France, Sweden, Italy and Pakistan?
https://share.api.weibo.cn/share/337414 … 18938.html
Countries participating in Chang’e 6 lunar landing mission

Lander or station?
https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/ … 2734015489

feed also seems to have pix as far as Chang'e 8

Tianwen-4, Tianwen-2  ...Tianwen-3 is missing
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1573248885128151045

China Space Station Tiangong simulator tour
https://twitter.com/TiangongStation/sta … 8832754688

Sample Returns?

'China is calling for international cooperation over Tianwen series mission.'
China state-affiliated media
https://twitter.com/wulei2020/status/15 … 0535089154
Asteroid-Sampling Mission, to be launched in 2025

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

China considering mission to Ceres and large dark matter space telescope

https://spacenews.com/china-considering … telescope/

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

China completes test of vacuum liquid oxygen-methane rocket engine

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Chin … e_999.html

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: China eyeing new HL - Agency Expecting approval this year

China Hints at Its Goals for a Lunar Base

https://www.universetoday.com/160719/ch … unar-base/

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Chinese youngest-ever astronauts blast off to space station

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/china-sends-y … 27379.html

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