Gravity Confinement Fusion

tahanson43206 · 2022-03-18 07:11:11

This topic is offered in recognition of the fact that Gravity Confinement Fusion is the working model that has reliably delivered energy to the Earth for millions of years, and it is doing so throughout the Universe, in countless locations.

It is harnessing of that abundant energy that has interested human beings for thousands of years.

In recent times, advances in understanding how the Universe works have led to creation of solar cells (photovoltaic devices) and a myriad variations on the themes of harnessing wind, rain and other natural flows of matter in response to Gravity Confined Fusion.

A Gravity Confined Fusion device on a smaller scale is presently outside the capability of humans (as far as I know), but such a device would have many advantages over all the competitive designs.

It would (appear to) have one major disadvantage ... it would not be portable.

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tahanson43206 · 2022-03-19 06:52:52

The scale of Gravity Confinement Fusion is illustrated by the suggestion of igniting Jupiter.

That was an idea included in one of the movies inspired by the work of Arthur C Clarke.

The proposition is that a body smaller than the Sun (of the Solar System) might serve as a fusion device if it were given a kick start.

If someone is so inclined, this topic is available for posting of relevant facts:

1) Minimal mass for a body to self-ignite
2) Material components needed for self-ignition
3) Minimal mass for a body to be ignited using an external energy source
4) Material components needed for external ignition

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NewMarsMember · 2022-03-19 08:32:19

As a follow up to post #2, Google found this regarding Jupiter and ignition...

Could Jupiter ever ignite into a star? | New Scientisthttps://www.newscientist.com › lastword › mg2443254...
Oct 30, 2019 — This subject was a theme in Arthur C. Clarke's novel 2010: Odyssey Two in which Jupiter turns into a star, albeit with help from alien ...
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30 October 2019
With the enormous pressure and temperatures within Jupiter, what is the chance that one day it could ignite and turn itself into a star?
Hillary Shaw, Newport, Shropshire, UK
Jupiter’s diameter is in fact larger than that of the smallest star, at 140,000 kilometres against 121,000 km for the tiniest star.
However it is mass, not size, that counts. This determines the internal pressure that, if sufficiently high, can overcome the mutual repulsion of hydrogen nuclei and convert these to helium through nuclear fusion. This releases the huge amount of energy that makes stars shine.

If a large cloud of interstellar gas came Jupiter’s way, maybe the planet could gain enough extra mass to start fusion. Fusion would be short lived if it became a brown dwarf, an object midway between star and planet. If it accreted even more mass, just enough to become a true star, it would be a dim red dwarf. Its radiation would barely affect us and it wouldn’t look very different to now. A bigger worry would be Jupiter’s increased mass disrupting the solar system, not to mention the raised temperature of the sun, as a result of it capturing most of the gas cloud.
Mike Follows, Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, UK
The smallest known stars are red dwarfs.
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A small black hole could (presumably) bring enough mass to the party, but it would consume all the goodies, so I don't see much advantage. However, perhaps there is a way to harness a small black hole that I'm not aware of.

This topic is available for contributions along that line.

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NewMarsMember · 2022-03-19 08:43:21

This is a follow up to Post #3, and specifically to an observation quoted:

30 October 2019
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However it is mass, not size, that counts. This determines the internal pressure that, if sufficiently high, can overcome the mutual repulsion of hydrogen nuclei and convert these to helium through nuclear fusion. This releases the huge amount of energy that makes stars shine.
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Mike Follows, Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, UK
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The observation I would like to make is that while Mr. Follows is not wrong, there is another way of looking at the situation, thanks to Dr. Einstein .... It is the curvature of space, created by the presence of mass, that provides the ideal environment for Hydrogen to get together to make Helium, which they would otherwise be reluctant to do.

To my knowledge (at this point) humans do not know how to curve space except by bringing mass together. However, the fact we can even imagine curving space without mass means it must be possible.

There may well be someone in the NewMars readership who can cite proofs otherwise, but until that happens, I offer this hypothesis:

"Space can be curved without mass"

The corollary is:

"If Space can be curved without mass, then Space can be curved to enclose Hydrogen sufficient to cause fusion to Helium"

Side note: www.newscientist.com apparently "thinks" NewMars subscribed to New Scientist. "Thanks for subscribing!"

If there is a reader not already a member of NewMars who would like to contribute to this topic, please read the Recruiting topic.

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tahanson43206 · 2022-03-19 09:26:16

In continuing follow up .. this time to Post #3...

Asking Google if space can be curved without mass, we find:

Can you bend space-time without mass? - Quorahttps://www.quora.com › Can-you-bend-space-time-witho...
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What is needed (or so I am imagining) is the equivalent of a Solar Mass in the volume of (let's say) a basketball, sufficient to keep hot plasma confined, but also tolerant of release of radiation while Hydrogen merges to make Helium.

That would be a lot of energy ...

The attempts to hold plasma with magnetic fields show the magnitudes involved, but I assume a true curvature of space solution would require more energy yet.

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SpaceNut · 2022-03-19 11:22:44

Gravity is a function of mass that causes the fabric of space time to curve as it increases.

The fusion containment is the creation of a bottle by the use of a magnetic field or a counter pressure force and it required the huge super conductor plus Tesla power levels to achieve.

tahanson43206 · 2022-03-19 11:34:52

For SpaceNut re #6

Thank you for giving this new topic a welcome push away from the dock.

As your post notes, this topic is NOT about magnetic confinement. There are multiple topics in the forum where magnetic confinement is discussed.

This topic is exclusively about Gravity Confinement Fusion.

And thanks for noting that one of the ways to curve space is to accumulate mass.

However, as your post acknowledges, there are more ways to curve space than to accumulate gravity.

This topic is available for contributions by those who are interested in accumulating knowledge and insights related to Gravity Confinement Fusion.

We already "know" how to make a new Sun, by accumulating the right materials in the right quantities.

That may well be accomplished by future generations of humans.

This topic is available for those who may wish to explore alternative ways to curve space to hold hot plasma in sufficient proximity and temperature to encourage fusion.

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tahanson43206 · 2022-03-30 10:49:49

Since Gravity Confinement Fusion is the ONLY reliable, safe, effective and efficient fusion production method offered by Ma Nature for our study, I intend to pursue it.

In another topic, Calliban often publishes downbeat and discouraging predictions of the feasibility of magnetic confinement fusion.

Inertial fusion is under intense study around the world, and it may yet produce useful results.

This topic is set up to provide a publishing opportunity for those who may be able to consider manipulating the curvature of space so as to simulate gravity for fusion.

We are hard at work on a system to simulate gravity for passengers in a space ship.

The principles of how that can be done are well known, and ordinary folks can work on it.

In contrast, the mathematics of space curvature are available to only a few human beings alive at any one time on Earth.

That said, we ** do ** have (on the order of) 8 billion operating brains alive right NOW.

All we need is ** one ** of those working brains to figure out how to curve space to contain a fusion reaction so that only photons emerge.

For Calliban ... while curving space is not in your took box, fusion ** does ** appear to be one of the fields of study where you may be able to help the rest of us.

By any chance, is there a solution to the question: What is the energy that must be input to a Gravity Containment device to comfortably maintain fusion?

To make the problem a bit more challenging, I'd like to ask for Deuterium-Deuterium study, since Deuterium is by far the most readily available fusion fuel on Earth.

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