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#1 2022-01-23 15:37:43

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Putin's Russian expanding to be the old USSR

We have and old topic that got a few banned so lets wade carefully.

At the time Russia had invaded Ukraine Crimea and has not left and now it seems that an effort is afoot to take a nation that is no longer part of the Russians old territory of the USSR under Putin.

Not only with in the Ukraine but in other places as well.

Feeling the pressure Armenian President Armen Sarkissian tendered his resignation on Sunday, saying he believes the country's constitution does not give him sufficient powers to influence events.

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There is signs that Russia is prepared to invade with troops and they have done so  with blue UN helmets in another nation already in Kazakhstan. The United Nations criticized Kazakhstan after the country's troops were seen wearing blue helmets, a symbol reserved for U.N. peacekeepers,  In 2014, unmarked Russian troops masquerading as “Little Green Men” seized all of Crimea, with most Ukrainian police and military personnel...Belarusian peacekeeping insignia adds to confusion as UN criticizes Kazakhstan over troops wearing blue helmets

So if these are peacekeeping missions then the UN needs to send it its own compliment of troops to keep it that way.

The US and some Allies have sent a shipment of arms to Ukraine and another has landed with more statements as to what might be done in they do invade.

Ukraine has received a second weapons supply shipment from the United States amid the looming threat of a potential Russian invasion.

"The second bird in Kyiv! More than 80 tons of weapons to strengthen Ukraine's defense capabilities from our friends in the USA! And this is not the end," Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov said in a tweet Sunday. The first shipment of security assistance from the US had arrived in Ukraine on Friday. That shipment included "close to 200,000 pounds of lethal aid, including ammunition for the front line defenders of Ukraine," the US Embassy in Kyiv tweeted Friday night.

The shipments come as the US has sought to convince Moscow to de-escalate the situation at the Ukrainian border, where Russia has amassed more than 100,000 troops.

Earlier Sunday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken amplified his warning against a Russian invasion of Ukraine, saying "a single additional Russian force" entering Ukraine "in an aggressive way" would result in a severe response by the US and its allies.

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#2 2022-01-23 19:19:47

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#3 2022-01-24 10:30:36

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After all the "Russian Collusion" malarkey over the past four years, I seriously doubt that the Biden administration will do anything effective to militarily counter Russia.  Maybe they'll apply more sanctions that do nothing but hurt the Russian people while their military continues to invade their neighbors with impunity.  The Democrats are, as always and always intentionally, totally ineffectual at dealing with their favorite "boogeymen".  They'll find a way to blame Trump for the actions of the Biden administration, then sit back and watch as the Russians take Ukraine.  The Ukrainian government is every bit as corrupt as the Biden administration and the Russian government, so no matter what happens it's not a net loss or a net gain.  The same thing will happen when the Chinese invade Taiwan, then belatedly our Democrat voters will realize that that's where all of their iPhone chips come from- far too late.  The Ukrainians were dumb enough to believe that the US would defend them against Russia after they gave up their nuclear weapons.  That was Ukraine's mistake, not ours.  Maybe Biden will "remember" that that's where his family's dirty money came from, but probably not before it's too late.

The Germans are totally unwilling to do anything against Russia because the Russian government has them by their short hairs after they decided to shut down all of their nuclear reactors and refused to purchase fuel and coal from the United States.  I guess they view the Russians as fellow socialists, which is not surprising since the nazis were, after all, socialists.  Nothing much has changed, and nothing much will change.  Similarly, the Democrat Party politicians are now socialists or communists or communist sympathizers, so they will probably cheer on Russia and China.  France is busy fighting itself, as usual.  The United Kingdom, Spain, and Netherlands, however, seem to be gearing up for war.  Hopefully someone over there realizes that even if Russia eats them last, they'll still be devoured.

Anyway, Russia is on their way down and out.  In another 2 decades, they won't have any young people left who aren't riddled with STDs and chronic health problems related to alcoholism.  They have a terminal demography, much like China, which makes the governments of both countries very dangerous while they're trapped in their delusions of longing for "the good old days".  China has absurdly serious economic problems of their own making.

I say we use this golden opportunity as an excuse to apply our air power to decimate their land and naval forces, and to shoot down as many of their advanced war planes as we can.  There's no need to put our troops on the ground to engage in another pointless war of attrition fighting for people who don't appreciate our sacrifices and don't want us there, especially since it's obvious that our high level commanders have no desire to actually win because then the game is over and their future employers on the civilian side no longer make any money.  Let the Russians and Ukrainians fight their war of attrition and systemic corruption to see who is most corrupt and most belligerent.  After the Russians inevitably take their newest military base, they'll have no hardware left to put on it and no money to buy more hardware, making it another empty "victory" over the west.

We only need to subject the Russian military to the meat grinder that the Taliban were subjected to.  Apart from when we decided to stop fighting for Afghanistan, there wasn't a single battle that the Taliban actually won against our forces, no matter how mass media tried to portray 5 or 10 Americans losing their lives as the end of the civilized world.  Much like the Taliban, the Russians don't have any competent military leadership.  The US military has proven over and over and over again that if you have any military hardware (tanks, artillery, missile launchers, ships, and planes) that we can destroy all of those inside of a month (most of it inside of 2 weeks) if you decide to fight us.  The Russians will still take Ukraine, but they'll be doing it with little green men running around with guns with zero air cover or more advanced military hardware, which then means we can use the Taliban's own "war of attrition" tactics, by arming Russia's enemies, turning Ukraine into Russia's next Afghanistan.  That's the correct way to fight a war against an industrialized country.  Ukraine has near-zero strategic value to the US, so again, no point in putting troops on the ground, except maybe special forces to gather intelligence on troop movements so we can pop them with drones or carpet bombing.  When it's clear to Russia that they're losing far too much of their military hardware and men to continue doing what they're doing, then they'll leave.

Anyway, that about sums up any intelligent response we would have to their latest invasion attempt.  I'm sure the Biden administration will do the opposite of whatever is sensible, though, because if anyone in his administration has a working brain cell to share between the lot of them, then it's not apparent to me.  President Trump or DeSantis can clean up Biden's disasters after the Democrats show Biden the door.  I have never seen a more clueless group of people attempt to run America.  If they fail at this minor organizational task, there's no doubt in my mind that they won't be reelected.  The polls already show a shift in party identification from Democrat to Republican because everyone who is not ideologically disabled can see what has happened thus far under Biden and they don't like it.

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#4 2022-01-24 13:29:29

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A few days ago, in a topic attempting to contrast Rule of Law with Rule by Force (if my memory is correct) there was an assertion that the practice of ancient Egyptions, to put their Pharoah's to death after they'd completed a term of office, involved the use of death as a political device.

The practice eventually came to an end, but while it lasted, there would have been no temptation on the ruler's part to attempt to acquire more and more force.

According to the article below, which I have only skimmed at this point, it appears that mr. Putin may be willing to sacrifice a few lives in order to achieve his political objectives.


https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/c3f0238 … igger.html

Putin’s ambitions are bigger than Ukraine, says Fiona Hill: ‘He wants to evict the United States from Europe’

Robert Schroeder
Mon, January 24, 2022 1:15 PM
In this article:

Vladimir Putin
President of Russia
Fiona Hill
American policy adviser

In the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin's eyes are on a bigger prize, a top expert on the Russian leader and his country says.

The article is followed by a "Read More" button.

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#5 2022-01-24 21:11:31

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tahanson43206,

The issue of sociopaths running countries won't be solved by more sociopathic behavior.  If rulers are killed after their government service is complete, then by definition only suicidal people will be running countries.  That's an abhorrently bad idea.  The Egyptians also practiced slavery.  Do you think we should bring back that ancient Egyptian practice as well?  The mere fact that someone, somewhere tried some idea, doesn't mean it was a prudent thing to do, then or now.

This is the same problem that our communists and socialists have.  Their brains have a defective computer program loaded that bypasses their ability to reason.  Some of them eventually figure it out, but most don't.  That's why none of them can accept that the end result of their infinite loop / arithmetic overflow will always be a bunch of dead bodies.  Their program continuously recycles the same garbage beliefs, over and over and over again.  The results are always the same, but they don't recognize that simple fact.  The next group of dumb monkeys will always assert that this time or next time "things will be different", because they're a "special group of monkeys" and "different" from the last group of dumb monkeys, all empirical evidence to the contrary.  I guess none of them thought to ask the last group of "special monkeys" what they thought made them so special.

I don't know much, but I do know that this repetitive issue with appeasement of tyrants won't be resolved by appeasing the next one.

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#6 2022-01-24 21:45:41

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It appears Biden is taking steps 8,500 US troops have been put on heightened alert for a possible deployment to Eastern Europe as Russian troops mass on Ukraine's border. US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin issued the prepare to deploy orders at the direction of President Joe Biden, the latest step the US has taken to prepare for a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine that officials have warned could be imminent. The "bulk of" US troops placed on heightened alert were intended to bolster NATO's quick response force, but they would be "postured to be ready for any other contingencies as well."

"The United States has taken steps to heighten the readiness of its forces at home and abroad, so they are prepared to respond to a range of contingencies, including support to the NATO response force if it is activated. The NATO Response Force "comprises around 40,000 multinational troops."

Britain ordered some diplomats and their families to leave Ukraine, a day after the United States ordered families of diplomats to leave Kyiv and authorized nonessential diplomatic staff to leave. The State Department also cautioned American citizens to consider leaving Ukraine, with U.S. officials warning that an attack could happen “at any time.”

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#7 2022-01-25 17:36:40

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SpaceNut,

Russia already has more than 100,000 troops on the Ukrainian border.  The time for "a heightened state of alert" has long since passed.  If those 8,500 troops weren't already in Ukraine, then there was no point in flat-out telling Russia that American troops are not in Ukraine.  The NATO response force should likewise already be in Ukraine.  We made a deal with Ukraine's government that if they gave up their nuclear weapons, then we would defend them against Russia invading them again.  We either need to honor that deal by providing our troops and military assets to defend Ukraine, or simply show the world what their trust in and loyalty to America is actually worth.

The one point in President Biden's favor when it comes to these matters is that he has a bit of a mean streak, and that's a good thing.  You punish your enemies mercilessly, you don't kowtow to their threats, and you never try to appease them.  Telegraphing what you intend to do is incompetence.  You tell your enemies that you intend to fight them in a totally unambiguous way, but that is all you should tell them.  If he focuses as much attention on punishing actual enemies that point guns at us, as compared to his political enemies, then our allies will be secure, despite his incompetence.  Bullies only understand strength and willingness to fight, and Putin is a schoolyard bully.

The Afghanis clearly had no intention of fighting back against the Taliban, but the Ukrainians have continued to fight back against the Russians since former President Obama was in office, when he famously refused to commit our troops to defending Ukraine from Russia.  Anybody who questioned why we failed to defend Ukraine was a racist, according to left-wing propaganda outlets masquerading as "news".  President Obama declined to provide any weaponry or training to the Ukrainians.  After President Trump took office, the Ukrainian military was finally provided American Stinger anti-aircraft and Javelin anti-tank missiles, along with small arms ammunition and training to use the newly acquired weapons.  President Trump also authorized deployment of American special forces teams / military advisors as part of the military aid package.

Those tens of billions of dollars of American military hardware that the Biden administration abandoned to the Taliban by belatedly deciding to withdraw US forces, should have been sent to Ukraine for use against Russia if he believed that Afghanistan was a lost cause.  It always was a lost cause the moment the fighting ceased to be about killing al-Qaeda and the Taliban, but nobody in the military could let it go (at all levels, not simply those at the top) because they were emotionally invested in the outcome (the honest ones will admit to that).

The bottom line is that we need to get our act together, pronto.  The Russians have been rehearsing their invasion plans for months.  As always, we'll start the war behind the power curve.

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#8 2022-01-29 16:41:57

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#9 2022-02-20 15:34:42

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If reports are true we have a problem even if all they advance into is the 2 separatist areas. U.S. has intel that Russian commanders have orders to proceed with invasion

This however was a shock Cruz: 'Joe Biden becoming president is the best thing that ever happened, tragically, for Vladimir Putin'

Claim was that enabling of Russia's aggression toward Ukraine and seems that they are listening in a mirrored reflection of what is actually being said.

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#10 2022-02-21 18:08:52

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The United Nations Secretary-General Monday said Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to recognize certain areas of eastern Ukraine as independent is a violation of the "sovereignty of Ukraine." (Feb. 21)

What does Russian President Vladimir Putin really want?

Russian President Vladimir Putin Monday signed three decrees recognizing the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk, two breakway regions of eastern Ukraine. Putin also decried any claims of Ukrainian sovereignty, calling it “madness.”

The back drop is that Russian President Vladimir Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart, Escalating Crisis

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#11 2022-02-24 21:11:38

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SpaceNut,

I see that Vlad invaded Ukraine today while your village idiot was taking his nappy.  Maybe he needs to call in CornPop.

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#12 2022-02-25 03:46:15

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The United Nations Secretary-General Monday said Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to recognize certain areas of eastern Ukraine as independent is a violation of the "sovereignty of Ukraine." (Feb. 21)

Poor Kosovo, to have recognition revoked so suddenly after all these years... you can't just recognise a new country on someone else's territory.


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#13 2022-02-25 04:53:44

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Russia's space agency warns US sanctions could 'destroy' cooperation on the International Space Station
https://www.wlwt.com/article/russias-sp … n/39216372

Yet now back in the World of Competing Empires?

Biden says Putin's invasion of Ukraine shows he has 'much larger ambitions' and wants to 're-establish the former Soviet Union'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-p … 26746.html

These are social media vids, it gives a general feel of what might be going on and the truth always goes away first in war, a lot of other stuff might be on odysee or 4chan or bitchute social media sites but some of this all will be unconfirmed so take the posts with a pinch of salt.
'Ukraine A new footage shows a convoy of Russian Army entering Ukraine's capital city'
https://twitter.com/berojag59060636/sta … 3328131074
Reportedly video of fighting in #Ukraine Kyiv’s Obolon neighborhood.
https://twitter.com/UkraineNews0/status … 0787401728
Russian Z-vehicles with the Soviet flag are moving towards the village of Kazatskoe along the bridge across the Dnieper.
https://twitter.com/War_Zone2022/status … 1842454529
'Ukraine  the new reality in Kyiv. People run for cover as the air sirens go off, warning for impending Russian bombardments'
https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status … 9341644800


an old topic, perhaps when some thought a big powerful Russian Bear would never return to force its ways


Challenging America's superpower status - is it possible?
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1237

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#14 2022-02-25 07:30:04

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We should use this golden opportunity to destroy Russia's war machines.  They can have their army, so long as their army marches on foot to wherever it's going.  We should do the same thing to the Russian military that we did to the Iraqi military.  Every piece of Russian war equipment, tanks / artillery / attack helicopters / fighter jets / ships / missile systems, should be a smoking hole in the ground.  We've done this many times before and need to do it again.  Meanwhile, the Biden administration is talking about infrastructure attacks within Russia, which is both stupid and short-sighted, since they will inevitably need to rebuild that stuff to support a civilian population.

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#15 2022-02-25 09:08:27

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Imagine the following sequence of events.  The US suffers an economic crisis and China emerges as the worlds greatest power.  It isn't that hard to imagine that actually happening.  It establishes friendly regimes in Canada and Mexico.  They form a common defense pact and begin supplying the regimes in Canada and Mexico with weapons.  All are hostile to the US, which has bullied them for generations.  There is even talk of Chinese troops and maybe nuclear armed bombers being stationed on Canadian soil, for their protection of course.

How would you all feel about that?  It is pretty much what the Russians have had to tolerate with NATO moving across Eastern Europe.  The US government in Washington treat Russia as a blood enemy and have never made any attempt to establish constructive dialogue with them.  Trump initially made it clear that he wanted to build a more constructive dialogue.  The Dem side accused him of 'colluding' with the Russians, as if they were the enemy, and forced him onto a more combative stance.  Recently, the Ukrainian president made clear his intentions for Ukraine to become an independent nuclear armed power.  It was the last straw for the Russians.  Imagine Mexico saying something like that and knowing full well which directions those fission bombs would be pointing.  The US would waste no time invading a neighbouring country under those conditions.

I am not for a minute trying to defend their invasion.  But the fact is that this unfortunate state of affairs could have been avoided.  We have had 3 decades to build cordial relations with the Russians.  Western elites have done everything possible to alienate them and bottle them in.  You expect them to tolerate impositions that you would never tolerate yourselves.  There seems to be an expectation in Washington that different rules should apply for America than for all other nations.  It is arrogan and it pisses everybody off.  The Russians let it go so far, but eventually reached the point where they could no longer sit of their hands.

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#16 2022-02-25 09:32:51

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I think President Biden is a Russian agent, since he allowed the Russians to walk into Kiev unopposed.  Those who voted for him may also be Russian agents.  That was what President Trump and his supporters were accused of, even though Russia never invaded Ukraine while President Trump was in office.  I guess Putin knew there would be real consequences for invading his neighbors while President Trump was in office, starting with the destruction of Russia's war machines ending with the deaths of their military personnel.  We now see the exact opposite under President Biden- lots of cheap talk, lots of sanctions which they said they never expected to work, after telling everyone that sanctions work, and now even some CNN reporters are starting to question the entire narrative.  Better late than never, I guess.

Let's keep watching the Russian agents Biden and Harris occupying our White House to see if they lift a finger to defend any of our other allies from the Russian military.  They left thousands of American citizens and our allies on the battlefield in Afghanistan to be slaughtered by the Taliban, so any further betrayals of our other allies wouldn't surprise me in the least.

We know that the Bidens took bribes from Russians while the American media attempted to avert attention away from the fact that Hunter Biden was collecting money from the wife of the Mayor of Moscow.  Maybe Biden has already been paid off to not interfere.  We should hold an investigation to trace Biden's bribe trail back to Putin.  That shouldn't be too hard since he was recorded bragging about it.  At least now we know why President Biden's drug addict son, someone who has zero experience in oil and gas and zero ability to speak Ukrainian by his own admission, was appointed to the board of an Ukrainian oil company.

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#17 2022-02-25 10:43:49

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Calliban,

What you initially described is exactly what the Chinese government is actively trying to do to America, with inside help from our Democrats.

At every attempt presented for Democrats to show some small measure of loyalty to their own country, they flatly refuse to do so.  They hate their own fellow American citizens more than communists who have sworn to mass murder them.  That's what they learned to do in the mass indoctrination centers- to hate themselves and everyone else they know for having the gall to lead a privileged life that stemmed from the brutally hard work and hard lessons of their ancestors.  They instead spare no effort to divide Americans, to visit death and destruction upon the ordinary everyday citizens living within cities across America, using their roving gangs of violent communist extremists, better known as "antifa" or "blm".  Soros and his group bus them in and pay off friendly DAs to release them after they commit their violent crimes, because Soros is a real nazi.  The founders of the blm are explicitly communist, whereas every "member non-member" of antifa just so happens to be a communist or anarchist.  If blm actually gave a crap about black lives at all, then they wouldn't be burning down businesses owned by black people and assaulting them.  What I personally find most difficult to deal with is the fact that I actually love my country, and my fellow Americans who are our country, but they've been taught to hate, so hate they must.

Now for a little history lesson:

The Russians did put nuclear armed missiles in Cuba, and all nations with nuclear ballistic missile submarines patrol the coastlines of their adversaries.  Whether you're aware of it or not, the Russians and Chinese have nuclear ballistic missile submarines off our coastlines and we have nuclear ballistic missile submarines patrolling their coastlines.  None of that ever stopped simply because the Cold War ended, because the threat never ceased to exist.  Simply putting on new uniforms doesn't change hearts and minds.  You think a squadron of fighter jets or a brigade of troops is more threatening than a single vessel that can decimate every major city in an entire country?  Not on this planet, bubba.  The Russians routinely fly nuclear-capable bombers near or even into our airspace.  Their leaders routinely threaten to launch nuclear weapons at America on international television.  The Russian and Chinese military go through an exercise every single year where they determine if they can wipe the US off the planet with what they think are "acceptable casualties to their own people".  Every year thus far they've come to the determination that it won't work, but that's how nutty they are.

America has plans to respond to a nuclear attack within 15 minutes, but that's it.  There are no "attack plans" that we rehearse every year, because we've never had any intention of attacking Russia or China.  The people we elect are at least intelligent enough to know that you don't attack your largest economic partner, or Europe's, but that's exactly what the Russians and Chinese take advantage of during their acts of aggression and sabotage, and are never held accountable.  That's the real difference between us, in case you can't tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys.  The good guys don't explicitly threaten to mass murder everyone in your country because they can't go invade their neighbors whenever they want.  The Russians and Chinese are the modern day equivalent of the Vikings- opportunist raiders looking to exploit any perceived weakness, real or imagined.

America has tried to leave Europe, many times.  We want no part of their incessant border disputes because one group of people lives past some imaginary line, yet we are bound by our defense obligations so we can never truly leave and not come back.  America's Admirals wanted to leave Japan, and have repeatedly produced plans to do so, but the Chinese keep threatening Japan because they have a "long memory" of an offense that nobody left alive was around to witness or to give.  It's old-world thinking.  My father was a butler, my father's father was a butler, and I'll be a butler, too.  Well, good for them if that's what they aspire to, but most Americans aspire to be more than the actions of our ancestors.

We tried to turn Korea, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Iraq, and Afghanistan into functional democracies that don't mass murder their own people, but freedom and prosperity only "stuck" with Japan, South Korea, and Iraq, because prior to their tyrants coming to power, mutual respect for your own fellow citizens was normative in those cultures.  We have given more blood and treasure to the cause of freedom from tyranny than any nation that has ever existed, or likely will ever exist.  We did that because we recognize that that is the absolute best way for all peoples of all nations to live up to their fullest potential as human beings.  America is the embodiment of the idea that freedom and liberty is or brings about the fullest measure of prosperity.  There are not droves of people fleeing America to seek out better lives elsewhere, and that's how Americans know that our way of doing things happens to be "the most correct", even though we know it will never be "totally correct".  We're fully capable of miscalculating terribly, but never of the kind of evil that these tyrants (Adolf Hitler, Iosef Stalin, Vladimir Putin, Mao Zedong, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, and the list goes on) bring with them.

There's a reason we don't have cordial relations with the Russians.  It's not miscalculation, nor is it misunderstanding.  America and Russia and China have diametrically opposed policies specifically because the Russians and Chinese governments want to violently subjugate other people and America's military is the only threat to their violent and capricious behavior that they find credible, preventing them from doing what they please to anyone they dislike, reason unimportant.  We've done everything but beg and plead for the Europeans to present a credible threat to Russia, but they all refuse to build up their military forces to the point where they can defend themselves, because they so distrust each other and what they'd do with that kind of military power that they don't want to risk another dictatorial power on the European continent.  Whether knowingly or unknowingly, that's already what you have in the corporeal form of Vladimir Putin.

Nobody was attacking Russia, nor even thinking about attacking Russia.  If they had been, then there would've been some kind of military counter-attack from NATO, but there wasn't, because no such plans ever existed.  All tyrants in human history use the same ruse, and for some reason it works every time.  I guess most people really don't learn anything from history.  Russia attacked their own neighbor because they want something that the Ukrainians have, namely oil and gas pipelines, and namely because they want to use the flow of oil and gas to militarily control Europe.  No other European empire has ever been any different.

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#18 2022-02-25 13:29:01

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What you initially described is exactly what the Chinese government is actively trying to do to America, with inside help from our Democrats.

You make it sound like it's a bad thing. But you can't really think that, because you don't see it as being a bad thing in the case of Russia.


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#19 2022-02-25 14:21:09

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Some people want a peaceful resolution to this. Ukraine is to valuable, I don't see Putin giving it up. Especially not after a full invasion. But I don't think the solution is to kill thousands of Russian soldiers who are just following orders. So I would like to give Putin a present. (click image for YouTube video, clip from Dune 2021)
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#20 2022-02-25 14:53:58

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No. No, absolutely not. No way. We are NOT bringing slaughterbots into this world. Nuh-uh. Anyone who even suggests developing them needs to be killed in self-defence.

Anyway, back to Ukraine. Russia never annexed Georgia in 2008. And they probably won't be able to hold the western half. Donbas? Probably. Destroy Ukraine's ability to fight for several years? Yes.


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#21 2022-02-25 15:04:50

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Re: Putin's Russian expanding to be the old USSR

You think we don't have them now? It's a matter of size.
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#22 2022-02-25 16:03:22

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Re: Putin's Russian expanding to be the old USSR

Terraformer,

Yes, I view Americans helping to embolden America's self-stated "enemies" as a bad thing.  Perhaps you would take no issue with someone slashing your neighbor's tires, because they're not your tires, but that's where we would differ.  I don't see that as acceptable behavior, merely because it's being done to someone else.

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#23 2022-02-25 20:26:45

SpaceNut
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Re: Putin's Russian expanding to be the old USSR

kbd512 post 14, I agree with you on going to wipe Russia off the face of the planet but unless we get slapped and or any of the allied members of NATO: we are left not going in even if its the right thing until NATO accepts the application. The UN is a vote based whether it should do so.

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The Ukraines fighting force has been fierce in light that they are grossly out numbered.

Kazakhstan has told Putin no to send troops against the Ukraine...

China is watching this and is getting ready to do the same with Taiwan....

We know that the country is rich with many items and for months, President Vladimir Putin denied he would invade

Why is Russia invading Ukraine and what does Putin want?

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#24 2022-02-26 08:22:37

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Re: Putin's Russian expanding to be the old USSR

Cargo ship owned by Japanese firm hit by missile off Ukraine coast
https://japantoday.com/category/nationa … aine-coast

Almost 30,000 people crossed from Ukraine to Poland yesterday, half declaring as refugees
https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/02/25/ … -refugees/

Pedro Gonzalez: The People Of Ukraine Were Sold The "False Hope" Of Neoliberal Internationalism, And Now It Is Getting Them Killed
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video … illed.html

Battle for Kyiv: Hundreds of casualties as fighting spills into streets
https://nypost.com/2022/02/26/ukraine-r … o-streets/

There is much stuff on social media, it should be taken it a picnh of salt, some of the videos may not be confirmed others might be real videos from twitter, odysee, 4chan, bitchute or other social media places. Some wonder just as Clinton once used mujahideen from all parts of the world against people in Serbia will Putin now use islamics as a weapon against Ukraine?

A demonic future with a  Caliphate of Mosques inside Ukraine?

Most videos circulate have some people ask questions is Putin using islamist jihadi mercenaries inside Ukraine?

Ukrainian soldier to Chechen soldiers who are helping Russians. "The best of you died fighting Putin. The worst, who come to Ukraine to fight us - we are going to play football with your heads"
https://twitter.com/militarycompare/sta … 6647688197

Ukrainians gathering in Warsaw, Poland chanting “thank you” directed toward Poland for announcing that the country will receive all Ukrainian refugees that need protection.
https://twitter.com/rickieleakz/status/ … 3795812352

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#25 2022-02-26 12:25:48

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Re: Putin's Russian expanding to be the old USSR

Only a few more nations to pull the plug on the international banking network that is in Belgium. Also Nato nations are still building up forces within them. Lots of protesting in Russia about the killing of Ukraine civilians and even on the invasion.
They are standing real tall for being out numbered.

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