More Chinese space tech stuff

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-07-04 06:26:24

The new Chinese Rover has images and news that is slowly released on world news media, China already showed a landing video and sounds captured by Zhurong Mars rover

China's deployment of a powerful robotic arm attached to the core module of its Tiangong Space Station has sparked concerns across the US as the technology "could be used in a future system for grappling other satellites".
https://news.yahoo.com/deployment-giant … 09398.html
The 10-metre-long device, which is capable of lifting objects weighing up to 20 tonnes and can move around on the outside of the station, will be used to grab incoming spacecraft as they approach and help them to the dock, South China Morning Post reported.
Though the content is not new, China has launched several scavenger satellites fitted with robotic arms to gather and steer space debris so it burns up in the Earth's atmosphere.
James Dickinson, commander of the US Space Command, told a congressional hearing last month that the technology "could be used in a future system for grappling other satellites" and was, therefore, a concern to the US military.

China reveals plans to colonise space with a Mars base, cargo fleets, alien cities, and a ‘sky ladder’
https://news.yahoo.com/china-reveals-pl … 17208.html

Sometimes you forget all those years of experience that Russian and the United States with space exploration groups like NASA have clocked up, years and years of space flight experience
China moves at a steady pace, sometimes the movements are glacical but with each step they make new feats and progress.
This is only their second space-walk!??

New Chinese space station

Astronauts complete first Chinese space station spacewalk
https://spacenews.com/astronauts-comple … spacewalk/
The spacewalk is China’s second, following nearly 13 years after Zhai Zhigang’s 22-minute EVA during the September 2008 Shenzhou-7 mission.

Using a screw-tool similar to what can be seen during NASA's EVA outings.
https://twitter.com/Kaynouky/status/1411568849812664320
'installed foot restraints on a robotic arm and elevated a panoramic camera.'
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1411592565749686274

Official State media say duration of this EVA is about 7 hours
https://weibo.com/cctvxinwen?ssl_rnd=16 … 3&is_all=1

Chinese rocket manufacturer outlines manned Mars mission roadmap, timetable
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1226925.shtml

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-07-11 10:19:13

'Blue Rocks' looks like water erosion seen on previous US mission and other similar rocks photographed by NASA JPL Rovers
https://www.nationthailand.com/international/40003085
China releases new images taken by Mars rover

Space Log
How robotic arm helps taikonauts walk in space
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-07-04/S … index.html

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-07-14 09:50:24

China’s space agency releases new images of the surface of Mars
https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/12/chinas-s … -14915397/

Tiangong: astronauts are working on China’s new space station – here’s what to expect
https://www.australiantimes.co.uk/news/ … to-expect/

China could gain a monopoly on space stations. Here's what to expect.
https://www.space.com/china-space-station-monopoly

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-07-14 11:28:14

Building base station on Mars by 2033 ???

Chinese Mars rover travels over 400 meters
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202107/1 … 61492.html
China's Outer Space Ambitions
https://www.gmfus.org/audio/chinas-oute … ta-goswami

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-07-24 06:09:26

China's Mars rover travels 585 meters on red planet
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/270 … red-planet
1919 feet or 639 yards ... seems the Mars Rover Zhurong can drive every day, unlike the Yutu Chang'e mission which had to rest for long peroids in danger of overheating during the Moon day or freezing and draining cold during two week long Lunar night

China’s space station is preparing to host 1,000 scientific experiments
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02018-3

the hype?
https://richmond.com/opinion/editorial/ … 28326.html
Editorial: Will the Chinese beat the U.S. to Mars?

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-07-27 04:36:40

China is working on a relay satellite to support lunar polar missions

https://spacenews.com/china-is-working- … -missions/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-08-06 07:11:53

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China wants to build a sustainable human presence on Mars. Here's how

https://www.space.com/china-plans-mars- … astronauts

"Can the U.S. and China Cooperate in Space?"
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … -in-space/

Will collaboration or competition define international space science and exploration in the 21st century? The answer could come down to how two spaceflight superpowers, the U.S. and China, choose to engage with each other in the next few years.

"Interview: Swiss astronaut extols China's spacewalk, wishes to be part of Tiangong space station"
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-0 … 058912.htm

"Collaboration between several nations in any large-scale technical and scientific project is always good," said the Swiss astronaut. "I look forward to seeing more Sino-European collaboration in space, and I am convinced it will happen, and intensify!"
Nicollier identifies Artificial Intelligence as a key area in next-generation space international cooperation. "Scientific activities in space are complex, and station maintenance can be very laborious and crew-time intensive," he said. "It is best to leave a lot of these tasks to smart robots, and just use the human capability where it is really needed!"

"China’s space station emerges as competitor to commercial ventures"
https://spacenews.com/chinas-space-stat … -ventures/

During a presentation at the ISS Research and Development Conference Aug. 4, Jeff Manber, chief executive of Nanoracks, said his company has already lost business to China and its space station.
“I lost a customer, my first customer that I lost going to the Chinese space station,” he said. “We’re in a competition now.”

"China publishes second batch of lunar sample data online"
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202107/3 … 65981.html

"China's Mars rover travels over 800 meters on red planet"
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-0 … 111673.htm

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-08-13 13:52:26

A Chinese startup is aiming to developing spacecraft capable of supplying China’s space station, with a first small demonstration launch set for 2022.
https://spacenews.com/startup-wants-to- … e-station/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-08-24 15:35:31

A Space Elevator or Asteroid Mining Mega structure?

China eyes ‘ultra-large spacecraft’ spanning miles - The National Natural Science Foundation of China has called on scientists to join a five-year project to study the mechanics of an “ultra-large spacecraft spanning kilometres”

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science … 23m-crewed
It's just a study project and not a real thing...yet

maybe it will be a Solar Farm or Spacecraft or Space Habitat?

I'm not sure what this is, maybe assembled in space or a series of laser guided and connected craft joined together, 3-D printed in space?

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2021-08-24 15:36:56)

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-09-06 18:59:51

Scifi Visions and Space Prophets

The Influence of Naval Strategy on the Future of Spacepower
https://cimsec.org/the-influence-of-nav … pacepower/

A new Chinese panoramic view of Mars! The China Zhurong rover snaps a great image of the vast Martian landscape
the Chinese take pics to mark its 100th day on the Red Planet!?
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2021/0 … 630325559/

Copycat reverse engineering culture...they will mass produce Mars Helicopters?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1233466.shtml
China develops prototype Mars helicopter

Manned Lunar plans?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232862.shtml

or maybe the plan is Mars?
http://www.china.org.cn/arts/2021-08/30 … 1614_2.htm

kbd512 · 2021-09-06 21:33:06

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, but the way things are going that may be all that's left.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-10-06 12:47:59

1,000 days on the moon! China's Chang'e 4 lunar far side mission hits big milestone

https://www.space.com/china-chang-e-4-m … -1000-days

China’s Tiangong astronauts return with vision of ‘new heights’ in space travel

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science … s-tiangong

NASA/JPL and China will shut down Rover to sleep
Every Mars Rover Is Going Into Safe Mode – This Is Why
https://wonderfulengineering.com/every- … is-is-why/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-10-16 11:31:03

I think one of the most visually impressive things about the Chinese Station is how everything looks new and clean and neat while the ISS is starting to show its age with bits of wires everywhere like the old MIR station.

Shenzhou-13 heads for space station after reaching orbit
https://spacenews.com/shenzhou-13-heads … ing-orbit/

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while everyone was talking about Starliner, no-one really noticed that SZ-13 has already docked to the CSS from below!
You can see below that CCTV was covering from MCC Beijing for the morning news, soft dock was at 22:49 UTC with hard mate at 22:52 UTC.
https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/stat … 1YfBw&s=19

Video
https://twitter.com/conexionspacial/sta … 1340334080

China Sends Its First Solar Observation Telescope to Space
https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1008701/ … e-to-space

Chinese Astronauts Arrive at Space Station for Longest Mission
https://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-astro … 73359.html

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SpaceNut · 2021-10-16 11:44:07

Saw article that stated 3 more have made it to their station since they are banned from the ISS.. Maybe there is cause and maybe its all hype...

GW Johnson · 2021-10-25 07:53:35

This from today's "Daily Launch" from AIAA. It would appear that China has no prejudice against big solids. Wanna bet on the number of O-rings in the joint seals? -- GW

China Test Fires Massive Solid-Fueled Rocket Engine
SPACE (10/24) reports that China test fired a new solid-fueled rocket motor last Tuesday “at a site near Xi’an city in north China, firing for 115 seconds, creating a tremendous trail of flame and exhaust.” The new rocket motor “was developed by the Academy of Aerospace Solid Propulsion Technology (AASPT) which belongs to the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), the country’s main space contractor.” CASC “said it is the most powerful solid rocket motor with the largest thrust in the world so far.”

PS -- calling it an "engine" is improper terminology. It is a "solid rocket" or a "solid rocket motor". Just an almighty big one. All the propellant is housed within the enormous chamber cavity, except that nobody in the business calls it "chamber", although we do refer to "chamber pressure". With solids, that "chamber" is called the "motor case" or just the "case".

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-11-12 12:33:49

Update: Shenzhou-13 crew delivers first spacewalk; Wang Yaping becomes first Chinese woman to walk in space
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202111/1238342.shtml

Vids of New Crew seem to be busy doing the usual stuff science station experiments, checking systems and talking with ground, cutting their own hair, physical excercises and preparing food. I'm still amazed at how clean and new everything looks, its a pity the ISS is getting old.

Here's a thread discussion on China-Arm or "ChinArm" currently on the station, its new robotic arm but very similar to designs by Canada, NASA, ESA, and Japan but Chinese have their own unique elements to the design, the robotic dual-arm connector and the shorter one to be launched with Wengtian and Mengtian? The space station will have more than 20 experimental racks with over 1,000 experiments approved.
Mengtian and Mengtian module/section are major components of the Chinese space station, experiments can also be placed on the outside of the modules, for exposure to cosmic rays and solar winds etc. I can't read much Chinese so if you want to understand the writing maybe copy and paste the Chinese Mandarin text into a translator
https://twitter.com/SegerYu/status/1457966277167763457
The pictures are interesting and give an idea of whats happening

ESA's Mars Express Orbiter Will Try to 'Listen' to China's Mars Rover
https://interestingengineering.com/esa- … mars-rover

New Rover Map
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/NImpyH43GAhMnF0dkpU1jA

Chinese spacecraft carrying lunar rocks lifts off from moon
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13988619

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2021-11-12 13:27:05)

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-12-03 11:16:26

China’s space programme will go nuclear to power future missions to the Moon and Mars
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science … e-missions

China to livestream first space class from Tiangong space station
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Chin … n_999.html

ESA’s Mars Express spacecraft and Chinese (CNSA) Zhurong Mars rover successfully communicated
https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Op … ll_at_Mars

"China to openly select sci-tech projects for space station cargo craft"
http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/26/c_1310334573.htm

Researchers develop protective material for spacecraft surface
http://www.news.cn/english/2021-12/01/c_1310345234.htm

China Megawatt Space Nuclear Reactor
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2021/11/173847.html

SpaceNut · 2021-12-03 19:24:16

its been quite interesting to see the rover on the moon still working as no other nation seems even capable of doing so. I am thinking that its got an RTG to keep it from freezing while its in the dark...

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-12-08 15:17:02

The conspiracy UFO people are chatting about aliens and the 2001 Space Odyssey movie again

Chinese sighting of 'cube' on moon rouses speculation and inspires memes
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/ … res-memes/

China’s Moon Rover – Case Closed on “Mystery House”
https://www.leonarddavid.com/chinas-moo … ery-house/

Published Paper in Chinese
https://www.sciengine.com/publisher/scp … g=fulltext
Rough translation
The Chang'e-5 project is confronted with the situation of "new research rocket, new research probe, new launch site", and has the characteristics of many flight stages, many key links, many design constraints, etc., is by far the most complex and technologically extensive space systems engineering in China, is the major special scientific and technological project of the lunar exploration project.
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'The focus is on seven aspects of technological innovation, such as a novel scheme of return of samples of extraterrestrial objects and two sampling modes—surface sampling and drilling. Eight large-scale tests involving mission matching, coordination, and correctness were analyzed. The tests included the re-entry flight test and a comprehensive test of lunar surface landing and taking-off. The results can provide an important reference for other extraterrestrial sample return missions.'

Spaceplane Program
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1467845202819878923

GalacticEnergy commercial company in China
https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/ … 4658913280

China-Europe Mars probe relay test, Tianwen1 team cooperated with ESA's MarsExpress to carry out in-orbit relay communication test between Zhurong Mars rover and Mars Express orbiter
https://twitter.com/MarsZhurong/status/ … 4551804935

Geomorphic contexts and science focus of the Zhurong landing site on Mars
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-021-01519-5#Sec5

Red rectangle centred at 24.7° N, 110.3° E (150 × 60 km2) represents the primary landing area and green rectangle centered at 26.5° N, 131.6° E (150 × 60 km2) represents the alternative landing area. Zhurong rover finally landed in the primary landing area.
' This article is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License, which permits use, sharing, adaptation, distribution and reproduction in any medium or format, as long as you give appropriate credit to the original author(s) and the source, provide a link to the Creative Commons license, and indicate if changes were made. '
An isolated cone with a height of 80 m located ~16 km southeast of the landing site. The diameters of its central pit and basal are of 320 m and 800 m, respectively.
A cluster of cones observed in the landing area, located ~24 km southeast of the landing site. The cluster contains 49 regular and irregular circle cones in a 19 km² region, with an average height of 70 m. The diameters of the central pits of these cones are range from 85 to 740 m.

SpaceNut wrote:

its been quite interesting to see the rover on the moon still working as no other nation seems even capable of doing so. I am thinking that its got an RTG to keep it from freezing while its in the dark...

I believe there is an account not sure where or if official but it said the Chinese landers were equipped with a radioisotope heater unit (RHU)

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Grypd · 2021-12-09 17:34:29

14 years ago I stated that the Chinese space program was not as good as what the Europeans under ESA could do
I was right
But China has kept investing and the space program has become a symbol of Chinas future
That means the money has flowed

Chinas capability is now very good from what it stole from Russia and (other nations) it has advanced to the point it is putting a space station into Earth orbit, I do not though believe that manned missions to the Moon or Mars will be possible for at least another 14 years

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Calliban · 2021-12-09 18:09:20

Welcome back Grypd! The Chinese have been stripping the intellectual property of the rest of the world for a long time. Their economy has grown rapidly. However, I personally believe that a combination of energy resource depletion and falling working age population is going to lead to economic decline in China relatively soon. The Chinese leadership realise that their coal production is past its historic peak and they are building nuclear reactors at a faster rate than the entire rest of the world. Time will tell whether this will be sufficient to stave off a catastrophic collapse.

SpaceNut · 2021-12-09 18:20:08

I agree Welcome back Grypd! Both points are coming true.

Grypd · 2021-12-10 12:02:25

Thanks Guys
China is an economic bubble and that is a problem.
But purely back to space I can see China going for prestige missions but they do not have the capability to keep anything that comes close to the continous ability to Launch mass regularily.
The west has that with Space X and Blue origin etc with the ability to reuse rockets and the ability to put much heavier payloads into space with this increasing

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-12-22 11:33:50

Chinese tech start-up sends bio-payload to space, a bold and steady step to build its own space lab
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202112/1241736.shtml

More than 8 years on the Moon, and active! The Chang'e-3 lander was again emitting an x-band signal from the surface of the moon in Mare Imbrium.
https://twitter.com/df2mz/status/1472497529711656964

Preparations underway for moon landing
https://www.moondaily.com/reports/Prepa … g_999.html

Designers at the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology, the country's major maker of carrier rockets, are researching a super-heavy rocket that will be several times bigger and mightier than the Long March 5, now the biggest and strongest in China's Long March rocket family.
With a length of nearly 90 meters, the new rocket, which has yet to be named, will have a liftoff weight of about 2,000 metric tons and will be able to place a 25-ton spacecraft into an Earth-moon trajectory, designers said, adding that this new model will serve the manned lunar landing.
China has conducted three robotic landings on the moon, deployed two rovers and brought samples back to the Earth

Mars rover transmits data via European orbiter. Zhurong sent up testing data to the Mars Express.
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/chin … 74308.html

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-12-27 06:19:28

It's possible the China Rover will be on the surface for a very long while yet, NASA’s Opportunity rover ended up exploring the planet for record breaking 14 years despite originally being intended to operate for just 90 days, perhaps with their Heavy Lift rocket coming Chinese have ambitions for the Moon, Mars and Deep Space. Both NASA and China have talked of smaple returns, Musk has also talked about returning a sample from the surface of Mars.

Chinese astronaut pair complete six-hour spacewalk
https://spacenews.com/chinese-astronaut … spacewalk/

Mars mission is China’s ‘first step’ in planetary exploration
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03849-w

'Mystery Hut' spotted on the moon by Chinese rover is just a rock, scientist says
https://www.space.com/mystery-hut-moon- … tu-2-rover

China closes in on deep space ambitions with latest rocket engine test
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science … ngine-test

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