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#351 2003-06-21 13:22:35

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Space Environment Center...COOL!  smile

*Can check stats on today's solar weather and etc.  I love watching our sun, learning about it, etc. 

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#352 2003-06-21 19:28:52

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Thanks for copying over the article.  If the star is being artificially manipulated what type of benefit would you get from making it more ovoid or spin faster?

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#353 2003-06-21 20:26:53

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Thanks for copying over the article.  If the star is being artificially manipulated what type of benefit would you get from making it more ovoid or spin faster?

*You're welcome.

As to your question:  I have no idea.  sad  I could speculate, but that's all it would be...speculation, and I'm not confident of my abilities in that regard as pertains to THIS particular article.

Any ideas Shaun?

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#354 2003-06-21 22:03:40

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Oops!
    Hi Free Spirit! Somehow I've managed to convey the impression that this ovoid star is being considered as a candidate for evidence of intelligent manipulation i.e. 'stellar engineering'.
    First of all NOBODY EXCEPT ME is suggesting such a thing - and I suggest it only as an interesting exercise in speculation.
    Just because astrophysicists haven't yet figured out exactly why a star should take on this shape, doesn't mean it must be the result of artificial intervention.

    SETI exists because there is a very real possibility that extraterrestrial civilisations might also exist. Some may be very advanced and able to manipulate a star in order to, say, draw more energy from it. One day, we might actually see something in the heavens which defies every explanation except artificiality.
    I lightheartedly seized upon this distorted star, which so far is a mystery, as a potential proof of alien intelligence at work.

    I was only having fun!   smile
    I apologise if I gave anyone the wrong impression.

    [As for trying to work out why a hypothetical alien civilisation would want to speed up a star's rate of spin or change its shape, that's a very difficult question. Imagine trying to explain to a Neanderthal the reason for digging up uranium oxide! Where would you start?!
    We might be just too primitive to understand the basics of stellar manipulation.  sad  ]

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#355 2003-06-22 11:14:52

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Fire Crews Scramble to Save Univ of Arizona's Steward Observatory!

I hope they can get that situation under control, period.

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#356 2003-06-24 07:26:56

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The Sun in 3-D

*Oooooo, beautiful.  Check out how many km long each "little granule" is.  smile

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#357 2003-06-24 13:08:11

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Well...it does concern a planet.  Would you support this mission?

*I do.  This same topic was the subject of an hour-long special on the Discovery Channel just last month.

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#358 2003-06-24 18:07:19

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Few things would please me more than sending a probe to the Earth's core. It's a fantastic idea (almost literally! ).
    As long as it takes no money away from solar system exploration, I'll be happy to support the idea. But, if it's a choice between concentrating on Earth's interior or sending crews to Mars, sorry .. no contest.
                                      smile

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#359 2003-06-26 08:57:01

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"Martian Analemma"

*This is groovy, baby.

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#360 2003-07-01 05:29:27

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Not a "new discovery," but...

...it's a darned nice photo anyway.

And did they have to tell us it's barren?  Like, duh.   :angry:

:laugh:

--Cindy   cool

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#361 2003-07-04 10:02:33

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"More Martian Dust?"  (Sky & Telescope article)

*Recent Marsian weather!  Good article, great photos!  Mars certainly looks to be sporting a thick polar ice cap in these photos.  And relative to the currently brewing weather, check out the caption with 2001 Hubble photos...it says the storm then had raged for 2 months.

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#362 2003-07-05 12:48:17

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When you least expect to find something relative to Mars...

*Here's the entire artwork (above is close-up):

http://www.tradestonegallery.com/cgi-bin....0063520

Long story short:  I was searching for portraits of Catherine the Great at Google Images.  I found a nice portrait...which happened to be on a lacquer box.  The web link to it is:

http://www.lacquerbox.com

I've been looking around the site, and clicked on "Gallery" and then "Mermaids."  And what do I find but a whimsical reference to Mars.  smile

Okay, okay...it doesn't quite fit here; I debated putting this in the 18th Century Age of Enlightenment folder or here, but figure it'll get more attention here.  Hmmmmmm, apparently one of these artists is a kindred soul (in more ways than one).  smile

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#363 2003-07-08 09:12:46

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Spectacular Solar Flares & Prominences

*Damn, I've got to get a solar filter for my telescope...I've just got to!!

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#364 2003-07-11 08:51:48

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"Dust Storm Over Northern Mars"

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#365 2003-07-26 20:36:09

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Mars-Moon Encounter Images - 2003

Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#366 2003-07-29 07:13:27

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Marsian sand dunes

*I don't believe I've seen or posted this photo before.  The sand dunes of Mars are so pretty...and so varied!

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#367 2003-07-29 07:16:59

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Ay carrumba...is this a vertigo-inducing photo or what??

*Weeeee!

But seriously...I'd have to be sedated.   tongue

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#368 2003-07-30 10:16:40

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"Frosty Mountains on Mars"

*Lovely (though not a "true photo"). 

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#369 2003-07-30 10:22:00

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*Hi Josh:  I've seen a much smaller photo similar to this, but the one you link to is much more dramatic.  Wow!  It's both beautiful and eerie.

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

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#370 2003-07-30 14:47:53

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These pictures are absolutely amazing. The first serie is a from a 6' (150mm diameter mirror) 'newtonian' by the way. I have to wait to see what could give a more expensive 'fluorite' on Mars. Something even better I guess.

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#371 2003-08-06 20:46:36

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Cindy, yeah, I caught a cropped version at TEM. When I saw the thermal image article (about potential ice towers, and stuff), I had to hop over there at TEM to see what new and exciting conspiracy they had come up with. When I got there I saw this amazing photo of the moon and Mars, and I couldn't believe it!

It's now currently my desktop (and also my icon, if you haven't noticed!).

I think the symbolism is just awesome. I think that when clark says things like the moon will help us get to Mars, it's true.


dickbill, I saw that! 6'! My goodness, I can't imagine how it would've looked through a bigger scope.

Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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The amount of solar radiation reaching the surface of the earth totals some 3.9 million exajoules a year.

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#372 2003-08-07 06:20:13

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Marsian "Flares"

*Cool.  smile  I can imagine this might provoke some conspiracy theorists (ring, drool).

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#373 2003-08-07 11:17:07

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Wow, those are awesome, Cindy. Too bad there isn't anything like fire or lightening related to those.


I'm a huge fan of Jack Stargazer. Saw his show the other night and apparently there's going to be another Mars-Moon conjuction! So check it out.

www.jackstargazer.com I think.

Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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#374 2003-08-07 11:30:42

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Wow, those are awesome, Cindy. Too bad there isn't anything like fire or lightening related to those.


I'm a huge fan of Jack Stargazer. Saw his show the other night and apparently there's going to be another Mars-Moon conjuction! So check it out.

www.jackstargazer.com I think.

*Hmmmmm.  I've never heard of "Jack Stargazer."

This "Jill Stargazer" will check it out!   cool

--Cindy

We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

--John Sladek (The New Apocrypha)

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#375 2003-08-08 07:08:05

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{{Galactic Cannabalism!!}}  yikes

--Cindy

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