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#126 2021-02-08 19:07:50

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Re: 2020 Mars Society Convention

The focus for February 7 and 8 is Video #51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqiPNEF … F&index=51

Paul Meillon - City State Design Contest - 23rd Annual International Mars Society Convention

This is a 30 minute presentation.

Edit#1: This was an interesting presentation (to me for sure!) ... the speaker is from Northern Canada.  His opinion about the unsuitability of Mars sunlight for agriculture should (in my opinion at least) be given some attention.  The speaker stated unequivocally that the sunlight of Mars, even at the equator, is insufficient to grow crops.  He made the decision to put ALL agriculture underground, and he chose to provide robust nuclear reactors to provide sufficient power to give the residents of his proposed city a comfortable life.

A caveat I would make is that this gent is apparently persuaded that folks enjoy living in close proximity, and the fact that millions if not billions of humans do live packed close together is a persuasive argument if favor of the proposition.

However, the American pattern of stretching out as far as possible is very much in my thinking.  I grew up in a rural environment, with a person about every square mile or so, with a city of 5000 considered high density "Big City" by the standards of the era.

The speaker put a lot of stock in the Intellectual Harvest that could be expected from forcing humans to live so close to the edge of survival for an extended period.  There have been communities like that on Earth ... I'm thinking of cities in Russia in the far North, but there are probably many more.

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#127 2021-02-09 18:26:21

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The focus for February 9 and 10 is Video #52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en2tPo0 … F&index=52

Tharsians @ USC Viterbi - City State Design Contest - 23rd Annual Mars Society Convention

This is a 30 minute presentation.

Edit after attending ... There were several interesting (to me for sure) ideas presented by the team.  One design element was the decision to put all living space underground, and that led to a challenge from one of the moderators.

They are proposing something they call "solar balloons" but one of the moderators questioned if those would do any better in dust storms than land based solar panels.  A follow up question about using solar power satellites was cut off by the time limits of the format.

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#128 2021-02-09 19:26:30

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The focus for February 11 and 12 is Video #53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZhushY … F&index=53

Chapters Update - Nora Hovee - 23nd Annual International Mars Society Convention

Nora Hovee, Chapters Director, gives her annual report.  Of 41 world wide chapters, 4 are new and 28 have been able to remain active despite pandemic restrictions. This report contains some of their highlights.  For those who have questions, would like to join a chapter or start one, contact Nora at nhovee@marssociety.org. 

"Working with our chapters this year has been a pleasant and encouraging surprise.  When everything started shutting down last spring, I thought we would be on pause for 2020.  People found a way!"  -- Nora

Nora Hovee has a clear speaking style that helped her to summarize chapter activities around the world, and then to introduce new chapters in several countries.

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#129 2021-02-13 18:09:22

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The focus for February 13 and 14 is Video #54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbPNxr6 … F&index=54

Marspedia 2020 Progress Report - James Burk & Frank Crossman - 23rd Annual Mars Society Convention

This video looks to be timely for the NewMars forum, as we are discussing how we might be able to implement permanent storage for educational materials, on one hand, and project specifications on the other.

Edit#1: I'm back from "attending" the talk by James Burk and Frank Crossman.

I'd like to encourage everyone to try to schedule time for this presentation.  The ever flowing river of the NewMars forum produces the same information over and over again.  It ** seems ** that the Marspedia project is an attempt to solidify information (with the understanding it can and will be updated if necessary).

James Burk seemed (to me at least) to be suggesting that there is an effort underway to try to help with projects.

Edit#2: For SpaceNut ... any chance Frank Crossman might be willing to become a member of this forum to advise us on how to use Marspedia?

We sure have plenty of spare ID's sitting around available for new members ... 2082 at last count!

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#130 2021-02-15 18:19:54

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The focus for February 15 and 16 is Video #55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0wNRh_ … F&index=55

James Melton - Spread the Word - 23rd Annual International Mars Society Convention

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#131 2021-02-15 18:20:41

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Re: 2020 Mars Society Convention

Here is a reminder of the Perseverance landing attempt watch party:

Mars Society Hosting Facebook Watch Party for Perseverance Rover Landing

The Mars Society will be hosting a virtual Facebook Watch Party for the upcoming landing of NASA’s Perseverance Rover on the surface of the planet Mars.

Launched on June 30, 2020, “Percy” is scheduled to set down on February 18th inside the 28-mile-wide (45 kilometers) Jezero Crater, where it will then begin its mission to explore the nearby area in search of signs of past and present life.

We invite you to mark the arrival of the latest Mars rover by joining our live Facebook event (Thursday, February 18th - 11:45 am - 1:45 pm PT / 2:45-4:45 pm ET). Visit our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/TheMarsSociety) for more details and to join the live stream on the 18th.

As with previous Facebook events, an online chat room will operate along side the broadcast, with participants able to ask questions and make comments. Senior members of the Mars Society, including its president, Dr. Robert Zubrin, will be online as well.

We look forward to seeing you then, and we wish Percy a successful landing on the Red Planet!

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#132 2021-02-17 18:51:11

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The focus for February 17th and 18th is Video #56 ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6mPwOn … F&index=56

Factories in Space - Erik Kulu - 23rd Annual International Mars Society Convention

This appears to be a talk fairly heavy with detailed slides ...

Time is given as 35 minutes

erik.kulu@factoriesinspace.com

www.factoriesinspace.com

www.linkedin.com/in/erikkulu

This is a review of a (to me for sure) surprising number of companies that have shown interest in participating in space related business, or have actually made moves in that direction.  The presenter appears to believe that manufacturing in space will eventually exceed manufacturing on Earth.  I am reminded (by this prediction) of the exact same scenario playing out as the United States gradually assumed the role of global leadership from Great Britain.

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#133 2021-02-19 20:45:13

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The focus for February 19th and 20th is Video #57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkGKote … F&index=57

Space Force & Mars - Edward Heisler - 23nd Annual International Mars Society Convention

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The U.S. Space Force represents a grave danger to the human exploration and settlement of Mars

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I do not agree with the premise indicated by the title, but intend to try to listen with an open mind.

Edit#1: The presentation ended up coming across as reasonable, despite the title ... By now the Trump administration is history, and the concerns of those who were worried about the US building a space force to impose itself on everyone else seem (to me at least) less likely to continue.

On the other hand, Mr. Heisler's concern about triggering the Kessler Syndrome in LEO seemed reasonable, and his description of the consequences seems in line with predictions I have read elsewhere.

This video is followed by on on the Artemis Accord, which seems unlikely to win acceptance by the major global space players, but which seems to include some ideas that appeal to the US and it's allies.

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#134 2021-02-19 21:14:24

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you can find Edward Heisler on redit….for mars society

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#135 2021-02-22 13:00:06

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This just arrived by email:

Mars Society Launches New Indiegogo Crowdfunding for MarsVR Project to Support Humans-to-Mars

The Mars Society, the world's largest space advocacy group dedicated to the human exploration and settlement of the planet Mars, is pleased to announce a new Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign for its Mars Virtual Reality (MarsVR) project.

Project Goals

MarsVR will deliver a stunning Mars experience to schools, museums, members of the public and future space explorers. The goals of the project are to create a high-quality virtual reality simulation of future human exploration of the Red Planet as a tool for both public outreach within STEM programs in schools and museums and to train analog astronauts at our real-life Mars Desert Research Station (MDRS) located in the Utah desert.  There will also be a PC option for some of the core modules to encourage maximum accessibility for all.

Speaking about the project in our new documentary-style video trailer, Mars Society President and founder Dr. Robert Zubrin described how this new technology could make a huge impact on the future human exploration of the planet Mars:

"What we hope to demonstrate in our VR program is a new way of exploring Mars, one which could bring millions of people into the game, in terms of participating directly in the exploration of the Red Planet."

Campaign Details & Rewards

Our project aims to raise a minimum of $100,000 via its Indiegogo campaign over the next six weeks to directly fund the development and operations of MarsVR throughout 2021 and beyond.  Assuming a successful campaign, we will release this application on the Steam platform as a free download, with additional modules with crew training, educational and research-oriented content available for purchase at modest amounts.  If we exceed the initial 100K goal of the crowdfunding campaign, we will accelerate our long-term plans to work with museums and educational institutions to integrate MarsVR into their programs and curriculum.

Interested members of the public can contribute any amount to the Indiegogo campaign by visiting www.MarsVR.com.  There are several pledge levels available which provide rewards such as an early “Beta” version of the MarsVR application, the ability to place names of individuals and companies within the VR application, and to sponsor schools and museums to get the experience first. 

Also, for only the second time ever, the general public will be able to purchase time at the Mars Desert Research Station in Utah by contributing to the project.  Some larger rewards include a VR treadmill from our partner Infinadeck, similar to the VR treadmills seen in the movie “Ready Player One”, and the “Ultimate VR Package” which includes the latest VR hardware such as a haptic bodysuit, smell producing hardware, an Infinadeck treadmill, and a VR headset with a high-end laptop pre-configured for the entire multi-sensory experience.

New Partnerships

The Mars Society will be partnering with the industry-leading team at MXTReality in Seattle, Washington, who have developed over a hundred successful VR projects including a magic carpet ride over Seattle and a VR experience of bungee-jumping from the Space Needle, among other work for commercial, governmental, and aerospace industry companies. Jeff Rayner and his team are experts in all aspects of virtual reality and have already been partnering with many of the leading companies in the global VR industry.

The Mars Society and MXTReality will work together to grow an ecosystem of supporters, corporate partners, tools, resources, and new experiences for MarsVR and will strive to bring awareness of this work to many different communities, including NASA, the aerospace industry community, the space advocacy community, and members of the general public worldwide.

For more information and to participate in the campaign, visit www.MarsVR.com.

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#136 2021-02-22 13:12:31

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The Focus for February 21st and 22nd is Video #58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ekUxvM … F&index=58

Artemis Accords and the Rule of Law - Art Harman - 23nd Annual International Mars Society Convention

This is a 40 minute presentation.

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#137 2021-02-23 19:17:58

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The focus for February 23 and 24 is Video #59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elXK0or … F&index=59

Simulation of Evacuation in Martian Conditions - Szymon Matkowski - 23rd Mars Society Convention

This is a 39 minute presentation.

Leszek Orzechowski
3 months ago
Thanks for a ton of great work on our colony design! A good space architecture study

I found this to be quite an interesting talk. 

Leszek Orzechowski
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Thanks for a ton of great work on our colony design! A good space architecture study

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#138 2021-02-26 21:01:57

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The focus for February 25 and 26 is Video #60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GHUZS8 … F&index=60

Evolution of a Mars Colony - Innspace Team - 23rd Annual International Mars Society Convention

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#139 2021-02-26 21:02:22

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The focus for February 27 and 28 is Video #61

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOdRSNS … F&index=61

Underwater Mars Habitats - Lee Roberts - 23rd Annual International Mars Society Convention


This talk is a spin-off of another study.

The speaker is a pilot, and he used examples from flying to explain his concepts for using water to balance the pressure needed inside Mars habitats.

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#140 2021-02-26 21:02:41

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This announcement just arrived by email:

MARS SOCIETY ANNOUNCEMENT
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Beyond Luna [Blog]

By Evan Plant-Weir, Red Planet Bound 02.24.21

Humanity has some unfinished business with the Moon.

The lunar surface has fallen back into the realm of the remote and unfamiliar for too long. The Apollo landings kindled a dream of an expansive, space-faring future for our species, and that vision continues to inspire us nearly a half century later.

Though we have sustained an ember of that dream through crewed missions to the International Space Station, it diminishes a little with every passing year that we do not once more step foot on another world. NASA’s upcoming plan to establish a sustainable human presence on the Moon via the Artemis program, therefore, constitutes a long-overdue reunion.

Every human on Earth has access to a night sky that is punctuated by the presence of our Moon. On a clear evening, it is visible from both dense urban environments and secluded rural landscapes. Whether we own a telescope, or have only our eyes to stargaze, it is there for us all to consider with wonder.

When we can look up at that jewel of the commons and know that it is within the reach of human experience once again, countless lives will be enriched.

There is, however, a significant inherent risk in returning to the Moon. I’m not referring to the physical hazards faced by the astronauts who will make that voyage, but rather the risk to our future security and development as a species, should that endeavor cost us our chance at Mars.

For the sake of the long-term survival and growth of life from Earth, the overarching goal of space exploration must be the pursuit of a multi-planetary future. By far the best candidate for this endeavor is Mars. The window to the red planet is open now, but given the unfortunate volatility of human history it could close at any time. The choice to insert the Moon as an intermediate step is therefore a substantial gamble.

The true efficacy of a lunar foothold, then, will be determined by whether it constitutes a commitment to that more pressing objective, or a distraction from it.

But why is Mars so essential to a multi-planetary future? The Moon is just a few days’ travel away – doesn’t that make it a more suitable choice for exploration and settlement?

A World of Difference

The Moon has no appreciable atmosphere. Besides a thin layer of rarefied gas, it is engulfed by the vacuum of space. This means that the lunar surface has no protection whatsoever from radiation or meteoroid bombardment.

The lunar surface is covered with a layer of jagged particles generated by micrometeorite impacts. With no wind to erode this asbestos-like dust, it remains sharp, like tiny broken pieces of glass. In fact, it is so abrasive that it stripped away layers of the Apollo astronauts’ boots.

In sunlight, temperatures reach 260 degrees Fahrenheit (127 degrees Celsius) and, in the shade, they drop to -280 degrees F (-173 C). These temperature extremes are highly localized since there is no atmosphere to equalize the difference. Lunar equipment and infrastructure will therefore have to resist both freezing and overheating depending on whether they are in sunlight or shadow.

Artemis astronauts will experience 17% of Earth’s gravity on the Moon. The long-term effect of partial gravity on the human body is unclear, but we do know that the weightlessness felt by humans on the International Space Station results in tangible changes to their physiology, such as bone loss or muscular degeneration. It’s safe to assume that similar health consequences might result from long-term lunar habitation.

Furthermore, a day on the Moon is 29 times longer than a day on Earth. This drastic departure from our natural day-night cycle will introduce an additional challenge for our biological systems which are finely tuned to the daylight hours of our home world. The long lunar nights will also hinder the usefulness of solar power.

None of these challenges are insurmountable. We can, and should, carve out a sustainable human presence on our closest celestial neighbor (eventually), but the Moon is a dismal candidate for our next home.

Fortunately, our solar system contains a far better match for our technological and biological systems. It’s a bit of a fixer-upper, and it takes a few months to get there, but the red planet’s presence within our reach is nothing short of spectacular luck.

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#141 2021-03-01 10:28:52

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James Burk will be a guest on the Space Show:

Thursday March 4

4. 7 PM PDT, 10 PM EDT: We welcome JAMES BURK to discuss the Mars Society MarsVR - Virtual Reality for Mars Exploration

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#142 2021-03-01 18:53:40

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The focus for March 1st and 2nd is Video #62

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biv6ENF … F&index=62

Peaceful Use of Military Tech - Nikolai Lebedev - 23rd Annual International Mars Society Convention

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This is a 45 minute talk

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#143 Yesterday 20:25:49

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The focus for March 3rd and 4th was Video #63 ... the count at YouTube has changed ...

The count of videos has dropped by 1

The new number is #64

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y36aZKo … F&index=64

However, the index of videos for the conference remains as it was ...

Comets at Mars - Gardiner and Isenberg - 23rd Annual International Mars Society Convention

This is a 33 minute talk.

Edit#1 ... this talk can be "attended" by phone if desired ... there are no slides or photographs, although the speaker seemed to be referring to them.

The talk was about the electrostatic forces that may be at work in the behavior of comets. 

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#144 Yesterday 21:13:52

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The focus for March 5th and 6th is Video #64 ... the YouTube count has increased by one, so the link is to Video #65

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jb8cNz … F&index=65

Utopian Colonies on Mars - Ian Mayes - 23rd Annual International Mars Society Convention

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