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#501 2020-11-13 18:36:41

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Re: Election Meddling

The article  RobertDyck posted was from September.....

Unless congress passes a new law for the mandate its up to the states to determine if one will be needed in any form.
Also the use of an executive order would be fought tooth and nail and does not need to be written in the first place.

It is the war powers act to make PPE for the Hospitals and Doctors to make use of for the front line to save lives which still should be looked into and that does not mean ordering from over seas to get the stuff made from the American company not on US soil....

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#502 2020-11-13 19:27:57

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Re: Election Meddling

kbd512 wrote:

Robert,

President-elect Biden's new cabinet is looking like a who's who of Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex.  Maybe that's what the Democrats want, but the voters who believe that they're going to represent their interests in our government are sorely mistaken.  With President Trump gone, both the Democrats and the Republicans are now moving to screw us over.  Either way, I hope President-elect Biden gets COVID-19 under control without crippling our economy by ordering another lockdown.

Here in Manitoba we're in a second lockdown. The last 2 weeks of June and first 2 weeks of July we had zero cases, other than truck drivers that entered our province, and those who lived in the house with those truck drivers. So the province re-opened the economy. That included allow people to travel to western provinces without self-isolating, despite the fact Alberta and BC had over 300 active cases each. And allowed film crews in if they sign a document stating they "promise" to self-isolate where they came from. Yea, right! As if a film crew is going to pay for actors, directors, and crew to sit around doing nothing for 2 weeks. They'll sign what they have to in order to get in, and not do what the document says. Now we have the highest per-capita infection rate in Canada.

Latest news: the province won't allow a drive-through Christmas display. Drive-through. They refused to explain why.

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#503 2020-11-14 02:33:54

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Re: Election Meddling

A couple of interesting articles from Dmitry Orlov on the US election and the the approaching collapse.  Not for the faint hearted, especially the second article.  Collapse is likely to be much harder and more irreversible for the US than it was for the USSR because the systems are generally less resilient overall.  Moaning about the incompetence of government or corruption of elections is generally a waste of time according to Orlov.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006 … llapse-us/

Unless Orlov is spectacularly wrong, I very much doubt that the USA will play much part in the colonisation of Mars.  The resources that would be needed for that sort of programme no longer exist and it appears doubtful that they will be coming back any time soon.  Maybe whatever rises from the ashes of America will stand a better chance.

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#504 2020-11-14 13:03:19

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Re: Election Meddling

As to whether Biden will get any laws through the senate is set up by The Georgia Run offs to come later as this current map shows...

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#505 2020-11-14 20:02:50

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Re: Election Meddling

Biden is not President Elect, unless you work for CNN. The proof of election fraud is building every day.  He's a total swamp creature,  up to his neck in it and he taught his children to be corrupt as well- what a horrible human being.  Think of what he did to that poor young female staffer of his.  Horrific! And look at the completely unedited Creepy Joe video,


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#506 2020-11-14 21:38:24

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Re: Election Meddling

This is creepy for sure but when all of this came out they put there support behind Biden as the felt that the other was even more corrupt.

The current swamp BB1aZzmi.img?h=450&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

President Donald Trump and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein together at a 1992 party in Palm Beach. With at least 17 women have accused the president of sexual misconduct. Of course the famed Trump tells Bush that because of his famous he can “do anything” to women, even “grab them by the pussy.”

White House insiders have now claimed that his tirade about being robbed of a second term are partially fuelled by his fear of going to prison, according to a Mirror report. Trump will suddenly become unguarded to a volley of criminal and civil legal actions against him.

Some legal experts have said Trump could face federal income tax evasion charges, pointing to a New York Times report that Trump paid $750 in taxes.

Trump election lawsuit in Arizona's Maricopa County dismissed, outcome wouldn't have affected races

Trump is winning in this states but Atlanta attorney backing Trump sues to stop Georgia election results certification

Michigan Judge Ends Trump Backers’ Bid to Toss Detroit Votes

Trump tweeted a false claim about rigged voting machines after a network known for airing conspiracy theories did the same

Trump's Voter Fraud Claims Are Now Being Debunked By His Own Government


Prosecutors tell William Barr they've seen no evidence of election fraud

Prosecutors ask Barr to rescind memo on U.S. vote counting irregularities

Attorneys General Question Barr’s Inquiry Memo

2020 electoral vote matches 2016 — 306 to 232 with Biden taking Georgia...


Biden elected 46th president of the United States2020-11-03_USA_G_P_NationalMap-0-760.png?_=1605411030000

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#507 2020-11-21 17:14:15

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Re: Election Meddling

I think we are all tired of the continued lawsuits by the Trump plus cronies that are still trying to make the election results not certifiable for the electors that represent your votes in the key states of Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania. All lawsuits of voter fraud have been deigned with only one state saying that they can and will certify the votes.
Even the GOP governor from Georgia after the recount has said that even thou trump is frustrated that the facts stand that Biden won the election.
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#508 2020-11-24 18:04:11

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Re: Election Meddling

There are still a few states doing some form of recount as well as several lawsuits for voting fraud ect but these states have finally calling it Pennsylvania, Nevada, North Carolina and Minnesota certify their election results.

Biden has started to get things in order for the transfer of power...

While some stuff is in transferring mode its still troubling to see a war is still being waged on the voice of the people... Trump says he will leave the White House if Electoral College votes for Biden
Of course he is hoping on the faithless votes that will not vote as directed....

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#509 2020-12-09 20:23:10

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Its actually been quite funny  amounts of law suits resulting from the election where the media giants of Facebook, Twitter and others are complicet of allowing false claims to be carried forward on there respective platforms...
Now another is waking up late to the party YouTube waits until a month after the election to act on false claims of election fraud

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#510 2020-12-14 17:36:00

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Its all but in the books now as Electoral College Makes Joe Biden’s Presidential Win Official
Now to see if there is going to be cooperation or heal dragging in getting the US back up and working....

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#511 2020-12-14 18:37:57

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SpaceNut,

There's not going to be any healing.  Democrats don't want any of that, so it's not going to happen.  They're about to get a healthy dose of their own medicine, though, and boy do they ever deserve it.  Meanwhile, all those rich people you hate so much are working overtime to ensure your jobs are moved offshore to China.  Enjoy the pyrrhic victory, because that's the only kind of victory you're going to get.  That said, I'm truly going to enjoy watching the progressives eviscerate the Democrat Party after they realize they're getting nothing for their votes.

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#512 2020-12-22 17:03:53

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Re: Election Meddling

For some the battle for whom won the election is not over as fox news reports that Karl Rove: Flynn's idea for Trump to use military to rerun state elections is 'idiotic' to basically create a coo on the election Trump and GOP allies meet to discuss plans to overturn election
The idea is to Flynn suggests Trump deploy the military in 'swing states' to 'rerun' the election, soft-pedals martial law

Really martial law to make a redo....this is why Impeachment is there.....

Not all are on the team as Senior Republican says party’s final election challenge will ‘go down like a shot dog’

Congress meets to validate the electoral college result, a 306-232 win for Joe Biden, on 6 January.

Here is from the Hill
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … r-BB1c9NTv

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#513 2020-12-22 20:07:30

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Re: Election Meddling

'election Trump and GOP allies meet to discuss plans to overturn election'

MSN - now there is a trustworthy news source.  Run by Zionist Jew Andrew Lack.  A loyal servant of the US deep state.  They say you can judge a man by the enemies he makes.  With enemies like this, Trump must be a really decent guy.

I doubt that Trump will declare martial law in the US.  The bottom line is that he just isn't the white nationalist revolutionary that the Jewish run Left make him out to be.  He is a populist politician, not a revolutionary.  If only he were a revolutionary, he might have been a serious threat to these people and just might have ushered in a new beginning for the US.  As it is, that single golden opportunity was missed.

As it is, Biden / Harris will almost certainly assume power on January 20th and will resume the American deep state tradition of starting foreign wars and generally bullying the rest of the world.  They will be doing this at a time in which America's economic base is weakening, with already high and soaring debt levels.  And China's position is strengthening.  The Biden / Harris presidency is likely to hasten America's decline, as massive deficit spending financed by openly inflating the money supply, undermines the purchasing power of the dollar.

Trump failed to take out the Globalists precisely because he was never the ruthless revolutionary that many of them imagined him to be.  If only he had been, you people might have stood a chance of avoiding the decline that now appears to be unavoidable.  Like the Soviet Union before you, you now face the abyss.

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#514 2020-12-22 20:14:53

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Re: Election Meddling

MSN is the clearing house and not the story provider as fox started out the first video while others took up the same topic area....
But it seem quite silly to think that a president would step to thinking that they are a dictator and king of all to run rough shoed on the US constitution...

We will see if Biden is to be a lame duck or able to get anything done....
I will be just as tough on Biden once he starts doing things that are just not right as well....

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#515 2021-02-10 21:22:54

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#517 2021-02-15 10:08:51

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The election was not stolen by the Chinese by internet connected Dominion machines as these are ethernet network connections.
No the Solarwind hack was not chinese as it was Russian.

The latest ways to steal an election
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, the Justice Department and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation found no evidence of widespread fraud, and the Fulton County district attorney is now investigating Trump’s efforts to subvert the state’s result.

The proposals include measures that would curtail eligibility to vote by mail and prohibit the use of ballot drop boxes. One bill in Georgia would block early voting on Sundays, which critics quickly labeled a flagrant attempt to thwart Souls to the Polls, the Democratic turnout effort that targets Black churchgoers on the final Sunday before an election.

States where such legislation is under consideration also include Arizona, Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/th … d=BingNews

Seems that real fraud takes to long to find after the voting you find 3 months later 24 state voter fraud cases referred to attorney general for prosecution


Seems that all the gaf about mail in ballots was just bunk....

Mail-in voting did not raise turnout or boost Democrats, study finds

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#518 2021-03-08 20:01:02

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Many GOP governors are attempting to shorten voting days and reduce mail in voting as the reason for why they lost. But if we ever want a legal vote to be obtained then there is only one action item on the ballots that votes are counted when they are received and not one before the other...
No making up of rules that denign voting or conditions to make a vote not legal...

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#519 2021-03-08 20:51:06

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You know nothing about election count procedures. How do you organise verifiable counts "as they come in"? The Democrats allow mail ballots to be deposited in containers at any old time.  According to you every time some dodgy Democrat throws one of their invalid mail ballots in one of those receptables you'd have to bring together maybe 100 people to verify and count that ballot paper. Absurd!

The only safe method of polling is putting a cross on a paper ballot on an allotted day and just have a very few exemptions in the case of chronic illness or absence.

SpaceNut wrote:

Many GOP governors are attempting to shorten voting days and reduce mail in voting as the reason for why they lost. But if we ever want a legal vote to be obtained then there is only one action item on the ballots that votes are counted when they are received and not one before the other...
No making up of rules that denign voting or conditions to make a vote not legal...


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#520 2021-03-08 21:31:27

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Re: Election Meddling

Mail in ballots were tossed for republicans as well...not the issue....
Remember the ballots in hand were counted at the polls first and the mail in second.....

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#521 2021-03-09 09:11:28

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SpaceNut,

When the margin between victory and defeat can be as few as a hundred votes or less, widespread and pervasive fraud in every state of the union is not required.  Private citizens took it upon themselves to figure out if the addresses listed on ballots were valid.  They found that many of the addresses were simply empty parking lots where nary a resident was to be found.  The only reason Democrats don't find that problematic is because they won.  It's all a moot point now.  We now have a dementia patient running America, someone who doesn't know where he is, who he's currently speaking to, nor what he's currently doing.  He doesn't even remember the names of his cabinet secretaries.

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#522 2021-03-31 18:22:26

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The fallout for the lies of a stolen selection are to change the laws to reduce those that could vote.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/31/del … media.html

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#523 2021-04-03 00:35:35

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Re: Election Meddling

this is what happens when you educate a bare level of literacy and a low level of critical thinking. I enjoy this mostly because it proves a primal thesis of mine that fucking idiots are the reason why we have apply a layer of laws and regulations to remove independent choice.

Don't believe me? Imagine this fucking conversation on Mars where both parties can space the other. You are all a bunch of twits for even engaging in this.

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#524 2021-04-03 09:31:56

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The rich in power must be the twits to try to eliminate the poor from being able to exercise there choice as Georgia has closed poling lines to 5pm so that people working now must take a day off to be able to vote...
We should have a universal voting law, with no other events held for the presidential tally at the time to eliminate the crap we have seen with the voting machines displays, the problems with counting the votes ect...

major-companies-are-suddenly-denouncing-gop-led-voting-bills

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#525 2021-04-03 23:47:53

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clark wrote:

this is what happens when you educate a bare level of literacy and a low level of critical thinking. I enjoy this mostly because it proves a primal thesis of mine that f***ing idiots are the reason why we have apply a layer of laws and regulations to remove independent choice.

Don't believe me? Imagine this f***ing conversation on Mars where both parties can space the other. You are all a bunch of twits for even engaging in this.

clark,

[T]his is what happens when you educate [to] a bare level of literacy and a low level of critical thinking.  I enjoy this mostly because it proves a primal thesis of mine[,] that f***ing idiots are the reason why we have [to] apply a layer of laws and regulations to remove independent choice.

If you're going to assert that other people are barely educated, then make a concerted effort to demonstrate your own superior intellect and education by using proper capitalization, punctuation, and grammar.  I don't wish to interfere with your use of your freedom of speech to insult other people who have genuine disagreements over a range of issues, but we also have minors who visit this site, so I'd appreciate it if you kept the vulgarity to a minimum when expressing your beliefs and theories.

As far as independent choice is concerned, I tend to err on the side of allowing all choices that don't directly threaten the continuation of humanity.  Since so very few choices have been demonstrated to produce such dire outcomes for humanity, I think humanity should have as many options as there are opinions about which choices to make.  If there's broad consensus that particular options are worthy of pursuit, then we'll pursue those options as we please.

As far as using violence to resolve disagreements is concerned, that type of behavior is already punished on Earth, just as it would be whenever we go to Mars.  Thankfully, there are fewer and fewer people who use violence to get what they want.  If every aspect of human behavior was dictated solely by whether or not violence could be used to achieve a particular end result favored by some specific person, then I think most of us wouldn't exist.  Since our numbers continue to grow, despite the violent behavior exhibited by a tiny minority of us, I think it's pretty safe to say that most of us are peaceable in nature.

No matter what you think of other people, it'd be nice if you resumed contributing some of your intellect to the range of other topics being discussed on these forums.

This is just a personal observation, but perhaps bottling up all of that frustration over things that can't or won't be changed, until it comes out as raw emotion, is unhealthy.

To your point, what is it that you think we should discuss?

If everyone else doesn't share that exact same opinion, does our society or humanity stop functioning?

If so, then what do you believe is the proximal reason for that outcome?  (This is where you express your beliefs in a constructive way that doesn't amount to merely calling everyone else an idiot for not agreeing with you at all times, on all topics.  I don't find anything intrinsically wrong with being offensive to other people, but being offensive without expressing an underlying point is a bit like being that kid in class who's always making snarky comments about other people, without accomplishing much more than being irritating to everyone else.)

Here's my opinion about what I see going on right now, not just here in America, but globally:

The legitimacy of government is determined by the consent of the governed.  If the governed no longer consent to the demands of the government, then this is when violence typically occurs.  I don't find that outcome particularly agreeable or worthwhile, nor do most other people, which is why many of us think government should make a concerted effort to be truly representative, which often means compromising so that all parties get some of what they want.  I'm also hold the belief that government should be a good steward of public resources, that those in government should not have the belief that they have been elevated above the people to capriciously exert power over the people, and that the government that governs best often, though not always, governs least.  If more government is always better, then surely most of our problems would've been solved by now.  Since that clearly hasn't happened, maybe the people should put government back in its proper place, as servant to the governed.  Beyond that, societies with an overwhelming majority of people who hold very similar beliefs are typically totalitarian in nature, and not something I'd ever want to be a part of.  Here in America, we still have a marketplace of ideas.  While all ideas don't produce beneficial outcomes for everyone at all times, historically, some ideas have produced much better outcomes than others.

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