The Italy China connection to Corona Virus

Terraformer · 2020-03-18 16:22:09

My cousin, who as a farmer and a food producer is not forced to stay at home, told me that is very difficult for him to find fertilizers and spare parts for tractors, because there are very few corries. So if this situation lasts for months it will likely cause disruption in the food production chain and consequentially food shortage.

Oh dear.

Oh dear oh dear.

What is the situation like with pesticides? Given that there are locust eggs that are going to hatch soon in Pakistan. If the swarms can't be dealt with...

SpaceNut · 2020-03-18 17:08:38

In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. Criminal law in some countries or for some conspiracies may require that at least one overt act be undertaken in furtherance of that agreement, to constitute an offense to pervert the course of justice.

The 8 gang members that conspired to exploit polish people where Polish as well by the names as termed modern day salvery in the UK last year.

The photo line up of the convicted are about the same as the drug pedallers that get arrested by under cover operations.

They tricked, then trafficked men and women – ranging in age from 17 to over 60 – with the promise of gainful employment, which is just what all of them do from any nation. Working on farms, rubbish recycling centres and poultry factories in the Midlands are what the typical immigrant will go to work at so this is not a new thing as the employer does not want to pay anything for the work. The conspiracy is they operate in plain site with fear being the controlling factor which they trapped the victums into these activities.

louis · 2020-03-18 20:11:21

I don't believe you read that report on Modern Slavery in Italy otherwise you would not have made the absurd claim that Italian nationals are working to the same conditions as the Chinese gang labourers: do Italian nationals really sleep in carboard cubicles on the factory premises - of course not. But you seem to be determined to deny, deny and deny - just like our mainstream media are denying any connection.

Quaoar wrote:

louis wrote:
And as I explained to you, I was not referring to "illegal" migration. The Chinese labourers pass through airports openly. My claim is that the work conditions are of dubious legality and that will be a contributory factor in the spread of the disease. They work in gangs, they are not genuine employees.
To dispute your claims, I offer you this (from a report on Modern Slavery):
I know my country, so let me explain you how it really works:
What you claim for Chinese is the overall situation of all Italian workers. From 1980-2000 Italy was still a rich country, so Italian workers were fully protected by laws: They have the right of 2 month/year of paid sick-leave and if they became sick during summer vacation, they had even the right to get the lost vacation days (and many people took advantage of these laws to take three months of vacation each year).
From 2000 to now, Italy impoverished and unemployment rise dramatically.
Now the laws are almost the same, and Italian workers are still full protected, but only on the papers. The reality is very different: Italian workers perfectly know if they are fired it will take years to find a new job, so they work overtime, underpaid, in dire security situation, and even through illness. You don't need gangs to force people to do this: the fear to be fired is enough.

Quaoar · 2020-03-19 07:31:56

louis wrote:

I don't believe you read that report on Modern Slavery in Italy otherwise you would not have made the absurd claim that Italian nationals are working to the same conditions as the Chinese gang labourers: do Italian nationals really sleep in carboard cubicles on the factory premises - of course not. But you seem to be determined to deny, deny and deny - just like our mainstream media are denying any connection.

I believe in modern slavery in Italy, but now the modern slaves came mainly from Africa and Pakistan, and the gangs are not only Chinese but also Nigerian, Albanian, Romanian and (mainly) Italian.
As regard the Italian workers, they sleep at their home but they wake up at five o'clock and spend hours in very crowded buses to reach the factories, where they work overtime, side by side without masks (which are unavailable), and even if they have some fever or cough, they very often hide their illness fearing to lose the job. It's not enough?

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SpaceNut · 2020-03-19 10:17:49

The question is for the perspective of the employees that are both working at the same place is whom is the slave master when both are being paid the same low wage......
That is one of the reasons for the US getting tough on those that make use of people as slaves from immagrant status legal or illegal by under paying them and do not claim to be paying them on the books. Sure they are greatful for the cash as that is better than nothing which is what they could have been paid by the employer.
The rules for whom can work must get harder for those that abuse the worker but to do that you need to arrest the employer for there actions.

louis · 2020-03-19 10:51:21

Chinese gang workers are definitely not getting the minimum wage. But as their accommodation costs are close to zero, they are able to send money back home. Chinese gang masters have been prosecuted in Italy for using various subterfuges to get remittances back to China without the Italian authorities being aware.

SpaceNut wrote:

The question is for the perspective of the employees that are both working at the same place is whom is the slave master when both are being paid the same low wage......
That is one of the reasons for the US getting tough on those that make use of people as slaves from immagrant status legal or illegal by under paying them and do not claim to be paying them on the books. Sure they are greatful for the cash as that is better than nothing which is what they could have been paid by the employer.
The rules for whom can work must get harder for those that abuse the worker but to do that you need to arrest the employer for there actions.

SpaceNut · 2020-03-19 19:29:32

The supposed gangs which is little more than a corrupt business that is cooking the books to make them look legit are hiding what they really give those select employees when off books, thats illegal and they should be findable from the laws perspective when it comes to taxation auditing.

louis · 2020-03-19 21:04:33

The "supposed" gangs??? That's like saying the "supposed" KKK or the "supposed" Jim Crow laws.

Shame on you! Those gangs exist - in every advanced economy around the world.

SpaceNut wrote:

The supposed gangs which is little more than a corrupt business that is cooking the books to make them look legit are hiding what they really give those select employees when off books, thats illegal and they should be findable from the laws perspective when it comes to taxation auditing.

SpaceNut · 2020-03-19 21:12:04

Trump calls the KKK a club and the jim crow laws are long gone...

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SpaceNut · 2020-03-20 09:02:03

The hoarding that has been seen emptying the store shelves are going to be a problem when you do not do what you need to do with the product once you use it.
Disinfecting wipes are being flushed down toilets and causing major pipe problems

Plus all of the toilet paper being wiped out all you need is an app This online calculator tells you exactly how much toilet paper you actually need to buy

SpaceNut · 2020-03-21 19:00:35

This is what some gangs are up to... Federal law enforcement document reveals white supremacists discussed using coronavirus as a bioweapon via “saliva,” a “spray bottle” or “laced items,” according to a weekly intelligence brief distributed by a federal law enforcement division on Feb. 17.

louis · 2020-03-22 17:55:36

I thought this was the "Italy China connection to Coronavirus" thread?

SpaceNut wrote:

This is what some gangs are up to... Federal law enforcement document reveals white supremacists discussed using coronavirus as a bioweapon via “saliva,” a “spray bottle” or “laced items,” according to a weekly intelligence brief distributed by a federal law enforcement division on Feb. 17.

SpaceNut · 2020-03-23 16:40:20

This is good news as Italy records smaller increase in virus cases for 2nd day

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louis · 2020-03-23 19:26:01

Studies show that 98% of the victims had at least one pre-existing health conditions. Half had three pre-existing conditions. The average age is 80. The likelihood is the vast majority would have been dead within six months.

The problem here is purely one of a concentrated death toll, not an unexpected death toll.

SpaceNut · 2020-03-23 21:22:16

COVID-19: nitrogen dioxide over China
If the case is that pollution has caused the early deaths as a result of being compromised then data from this will be long to come by since we need to be old as well to prove it out.

SpaceNut · 2020-03-28 12:32:38

The country of Italy has about 60,000,000 in populations and the number whom have died from the corona virus numbers over 10,000.
Along with that over 1,000 hospital care personnel have also become infected with over 50 dieing from doing what they must for there profession, giving care to the sick and ill in there time of need.
A glimmer of hope was in the day to day death rate was less than the day before today but thats still not solving the issue of how to fight this invisible enemy.
While testing is getting quicker that is not a cure its just an ideifier of possible infection. News on probable lines of defence so far are stay at home, keep distance, clean and clean again, and while some medications are for treating secondary possible complications we are still a long ways from having a magic pill to cure us.
I hope all is going well for our Italian friends, that you are as safe as possible and that you will come through this in flying colors.

louis · 2020-03-28 18:42:12

Italy's death toll is off the scale. China, the original epicentre, has 2 deaths per million (and it did NOT have the whole country on total lockdown). Greece, another Mediterranean country, has 3 deaths per million. Germany has 5 per million. The USA has 7 deaths per million. The UK has 15 per million. Italy has over ten times that at 166 deaths per million. The only other comparable country is Spain at 128 deaths per million.

No one has come up with any good explanations for all these disparities. But both Spain and Italy have a significant Chinese population with a lot of Chinese illegal work gangs and illicit activities, with many workers coming from the Wuhan region. We have illegal Chinese work gangs in the UK as well, but probably on a lesser scale but the hotspots in the UK - North London and West Midlands - match concentration of illicit activities by Chinese gangs.

Japan, South Korea and Sweden are all doing all right without total mass lockdowns.

SpaceNut wrote:

The country of Italy has about 60,000,000 in populations and the number whom have died from the corona virus numbers over 10,000.
Along with that over 1,000 hospital care personnel have also become infected with over 50 dieing from doing what they must for there profession, giving care to the sick and ill in there time of need.
A glimmer of hope was in the day to day death rate was less than the day before today but thats still not solving the issue of how to fight this invisible enemy.
While testing is getting quicker that is not a cure its just an ideifier of possible infection. News on probable lines of defence so far are stay at home, keep distance, clean and clean again, and while some medications are for treating secondary possible complications we are still a long ways from having a magic pill to cure us.
I hope all is going well for our Italian friends, that you are as safe as possible and that you will come through this in flying colors.

SpaceNut · 2020-03-28 19:45:50

A frontline boost is coming as we know here.. Retired doctors in Italy are heading back into the fray to treat coronavirus patients

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SpaceNut · 2020-04-02 15:55:52

Its shocking that these are still doing business there in Italy under ones nose but its also just as shocking to know that these are all over the world not just here in the US and 10,627 potential victims of modern slavery were referred to the National Referral Mechanism

We all need to if we see something, say something to get this to stop...

SpaceNut · 2020-04-04 11:04:05

It appears that Italy has finally crested the peak and is on its long ride to getting back to normal in possibly another month.
The numbers for death as in a day are slowing and along with that the infection rate.
The battle is not over only the war skirmish for this time.
The virus has shown that we need to do much better with being a worldly nation of unity.

It proves that borders need to be detecting for cases of disease as a reponsibility of travel accross them.
What should be part of that detection?
Temperature, nose swabs, blood sampling tests ect...should all be part of that detection...

Getting a nation that has been hit by the virus will take In Italy, Going Back to Work May Depend on Having the Right Antibodies and its going to be true for others as well.

SpaceNut · 2020-05-24 09:36:13

Getting nations back and open has been difficult with the continuing outbreaks.
For Some Italians, the Future of Work Looks Like the Past

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Of course we are under the same problem in that COVID-19 has shown America's income inequality. We can't return to that

Of course we have found out that many jobs that are essential are some of the lowest paying..

SpaceNut · 2020-05-25 16:50:33

Seems that the US is not the only nation with its people not wanting to stay safe..
Italian nightlife comes raging back, and some politicians are alarmed

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Frive2376 · 2020-06-03 20:53:50

Currently, the top issue for the whole world in general and for each country and individuals in particular, the prevention of rotating epidemics must be on the top priority. Because of the plague you have seen hundreds of thousands of people have died of covid19. Be a responsible person to yourself and the whole society. Maybe you feel boring life when isolated from society but I will give some suggestions to help you relax during isolation. And here are some suggestions

SpaceNut · 2020-06-06 15:48:31

welcome Frive2376 to Newmars and hope you will come back to post again.

This virus keeps on going even giving a nation a sense that we may be through its worst but as we open up the nation to a normalcy that proceeded the great levels of deaths from it.

Italy reports 72 new COVID deaths on Saturday, 270 new cases

The total death toll since the outbreak emerged on Feb. 21 now stands at 33,846, With a total number of confirmed cases at 234,801, Of those originally infected, 165,078 were declared recovered against 163,781 a day earlier with People registered as currently carrying the illness fell to 35,877 from 36,976 the day before.

Calliban · 2020-06-06 16:35:02

Britain's high Corona virus mortality rate likely has much to do with the fact that it is chock full of black people. Thanks to mass immigration, around a third of England's population are now non-white and the proportion is going up every year. In the foggy, high latitude UK climate, they are vitamin D deprived. Ethnic 'minorities' are 2.5 times more likely to die from the disease than native English people. Mother nature is restoring the balance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52894225

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