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#126 2018-12-30 21:25:37

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Federal judge in Texas Reed O'Connor in Fort Worth clears the way for appeal of ruling against health law as "many everyday Americans would ... face great uncertainty" if that ruling were immediately put into effect, O'Connor issued a stay to allow for appeals.

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#127 2019-01-05 20:50:25

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Just another example of how healthcare, insurance system is broken....
5 jobs and health insurance: One couple's struggle to pay off $12K in medical bills

so much that they need a spreadsheet to track what they owe to hospitals and doctors. “I’m on these payment arrangements that are killing us with  negotiating payoff plans that now total $700 a month. With both the medical payment plans and premiums are almost as much as their $1,300 monthly mortgage.

The family is part of a struggling group: middle-class folks who have followed the rules and paid for employer-based medical insurance, only to find that soaring health care costs — combined with high deductibles, high copayments and surprise medical bills — leave them vulnerable.

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#128 2019-06-16 21:14:12

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Trump Wants to Neutralize Democrats on Health Care. Republicans Say Let It Go.

Since he announced his previous run four years ago, Mr. Trump has promised to replace President Barack Obama’s health care law with “something terrific” that costs less and covers more without ever actually producing such a plan.

Now he is vowing to issue the plan within a month or two, reviving a campaign promise with broad consequences for next year’s contest. If he follows through, it could help shape a presidential race that Democrats would like to focus largely on health care.

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#129 2019-06-24 18:43:26

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I think transparency of the bill is already on the books but its the insurance deals that are not for the discounts that are part of the inflation...ao what did we get by The executive order will follow earlier administration actions to improve the transparency of health pricing data that would pressure insurers, doctors and other providers to disclose more information about health-care prices.

I want the pay games to end...

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#130 2019-07-08 19:15:47

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Was surprised as It often happens when searching for a topic to find Why the U.S. Needs Universal Health Care...Now! - Intelligent debate wanted here circa 2003

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#131 2019-09-28 19:29:36

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kbd512 wrote:

GW,

Private health care is a for-profit industry, so yes, the Democrats' attempts to turn that into a state-run monopoly is socialism.  If their ultimate goal is not to turn America into another Venezuela, then it's not at all apparent to me from looking at the places where they have total control of the government- California, for example.  Thus far, our own health care model has produced more innovation than the rest of the world combined.  When medical advances are made, they're most likely made here in America or because of American investment.  That means that these benefits come because of our current health care model, rather than in spite of it.  The notion that our health care must be the same for everyone, everywhere, and at all times leads to absurdly bad outcomes for everyone.

If you don't think that's true, then go visit a VA clinic, because that's "government run health care".  They're so bad at providing any health care that President Trump signed a bill allowing veterans to get treatment from private providers, to be paid for by our government.  That is NOT the type of health care I want and if you ever experienced it for yourself, it wouldn't be the type of health you'd want, either.  Since I disagree with torturing people, I would not even send ISIS fighters to our VA.  That's how little I think of government run health care.

Tricare Cost (FCR) Health insurance is a type of insurance that fully or partially covers an individual's medical and surgical expenses. It's an agreement between you and your insurance company, where for an annual premium, the insurer pays for your hospitalization and other medical expenses. In addition to the deductible, you have to pay 25 percent of what Tricare says the medical service should cost. If you want to find out what the Tricare allowable cost is for a particular medical procedure, visit the Tricare Costs page. Medical providers under Tricare Standard can be broken into two groups:

https://tricare.mil/cost
https://tricare.mil/Costs/HealthPlanCosts
https://www.military.com/benefits/trica … edule.html

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#132 2019-09-28 19:31:31

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GW Johnson wrote:

Kbd512:

"Private health care is a for-profit industry, so yes, the Democrats' attempts to turn that into a state-run monopoly is socialism."  No sir, it is not!  Not by the dictionary definition!  Period!  Go look it up for yourself. 

Whether the government-run system some (but not all) democrats espouse is something we really want to do is a matter of debate.  The "socialism" name-calling that you resort to,  stands directly in the way of getting that debate done.  You need to face up to that.  Is that REALLY what you want to do?  I hope not.

My own father-in-law was a VA-only sort of government dependent.  While there were flaws in the care he received,  by and large,  his care was actually adequate.  My wife and I lived through all that,  in very great detail.  For decades.  Those flaws derive less from "government-run",  and more from "good enough for government work".  There is a VERY fundamental difference between the two. 

My own health care comes from Medicare Parts A and B and D,  plus a privately-obtained supplement that I pay for.  Neither does the whole job.  But,  between what the government does,  and what the supplement does,  I have never in all my life had better or more cost-effective health care!  Somehow or another,  THAT is the model we all might really want. 

What is so hard to understand about that,  unless your political glasses are too cloudy to see it for what it really is?

GW

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#133 2019-09-29 10:53:47

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Oldfart1939 wrote:

As a few points on entirely different subject: Health care and the VA Hospitals. My last Academic job, just before becoming a business entrepreneur, I had a position as Research Associate at Stanford Medical School, and was doing research IN the VA Hospital in Palo Alto. I was there for a year, and the level of care I observed was just OK, but the care was principally provided by Interns and Residents; there was adequate supervision by University Faculty, but even in 1976, the work overload was hideously apparrant. It has only gotten worse as time passed. Thankfully I saw enough, and will never subject myself to that sort of care; there are other options.
So much for government provided health care. There were waiting lists even then, but the primary recipients were still W.W. II veterans. They deserved better. All of our vets deserve better, because they (we!) have paid a price for it.

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#134 2019-10-03 21:07:14

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Trump did it as he signs executive order on Medicare, says he won't let Democrats steal your health care with  the “Medicare for All” simply the order reduces Medicare Advantage premiums and allows it to cover more a broader range of services.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential … s-seniors/

This sounds like an entitlement disclaimer

This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

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#135 2019-10-26 18:52:20

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There is some truth and falsehood in Sanders Misleads on Family Health Care Costs

Sen. Bernie Sanders continues to make the misleading claim that “the average family of four spends $28,000 a year on health care.” That’s the projected average cost for employer-sponsored health insurance for “typical” families of that size, but the employee paid about 44% of that total amount in 2018, while the employer paid the other 56%.

when you add in the premiums for the dental, eyes, ears and other such policies for your care its will rise very quickly to the value with the percentages being a mix of lower and higher for each side of the coin.

The other part of this is when it is used just how much will you pay out if you have chronic illness or a desease that is kept in check by medications.

Deductibles are another issue as rate paying for fees charged that are over the allowable for the service....

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#136 2019-12-18 21:30:40

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#137 2019-12-20 21:20:59

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#138 2019-12-28 17:45:04

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Whether this saves life now or in the future its going to do something Age limit now 21 across US for cigarettes, tobacco products

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#139 2020-01-04 20:02:04

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Best and Worst States for Healthcare Costs

So why should there be any difference?

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