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#376 2019-10-06 15:33:04

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Re: South of the Border Politics

Damn. That makes America as bad as Canada.


"I guarantee you that at some point, everything's going to go south on you, and you're going to say, 'This is it, this is how I end.' Now you can either accept that, or you can get to work." - Mark Watney

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#377 2019-10-10 20:52:27

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#378 2019-10-11 22:34:48

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Re: South of the Border Politics

Another judge rules against Trump on border wall

There has been word that many have shown that it can be scaled in about a minute or less with simple mountain climbing gear.

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#379 2019-10-12 17:06:59

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Re: South of the Border Politics

Federal judge declares Trump border proclamation unlawful

Excutive order money will not be easy to move back to the account which it came from if already spent....

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#380 2019-10-12 17:14:01

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Re: South of the Border Politics

SpaceNut,

We do seem to have a rash of Democrat-appointed activist judges who think that the President doesn't have the authority to prevent foreign invasions.  However, this silly game works both ways.  Whenever the Democrats don't get their way at the ballot box, they run off to the jury box.  When that fails, as it frequently does, then they just ignore the law and do whatever they wanted to do.  That said, SCOTUS has a habit of overturning the rulings of these activist circuit court judges.

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#381 2019-10-19 17:19:32

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Assylum seekers are not an invasion they commit no action of war....The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to hear a Trump administration appeal that could bolster the government's ability to deport migrants quickly after their asylum bids are rejected.

Now if they were really given the chance then there is no issue with sending them home if they have been heard but that is not what they are getting when they go into court as the rules to define policy on what qualifies for assylum are changing to keep those that once were considered now not even given a voice for change.

The so called rule that Mexico was safe is crap as  Violence in Mexico hit new heights in the first quarter of 2019, with 8,493 murders recorded from January to March, according to official figures. Mexico City has been through a horrific week for Mexico. On Monday, at least 13 police officers were shot and killed during an ambush in the western state of Michoacán. Mexican security forces on Thursday arrested one son of jailed drug kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman in an operation that triggered fighting in the western city of Culiacan, Security Minister Alfonso Durazo said. Mexico drug cartel violence flares as Mexicles, Gente Nueva war rattles Valley of Juárez A warning by the Mexicles gang threatens the Sinaloa cartel's.

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#382 2019-10-19 19:57:22

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Re: South of the Border Politics

SpaceNut,

If you actually feel that way, then let's start sending all of our "asylum seekers" to your home and then you can tell us if you're being invaded or not.  Who knows, maybe you'll start to understand what it's like to have an army's worth of people showing up at your doorstep uninvited, whether they're pointing guns at you or not.  Perhaps a rash of uncommon sense will begin to take hold.  Lots of strange things happen the moment liberals actually have to deal with the consequences of their irresponsible behavior.

Edit:

Regarding the violence in Mexico, society is supposed to be a much "safer" place when the citizenry are functionally prohibited from owning and using firearms to protect themselves from street thugs, as they are in Mexico.  Only the people our regressives say they don't trust (the Police and the Army) and the criminals are supposed to have guns.  Perhaps the criminals aren't supposed to have guns, but much like all other laws defining what criminals shouldn't do, that never seems to stop any actual criminals.  That simple fact then begs the question about whether or not laws that disarm good people are intentionally aiding criminals.

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#383 2019-10-20 11:49:34

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Well the most recent as a result of that violence are now Mexican in nationality as it once was a decade ago crossing the borders.

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#384 2019-10-24 01:23:19

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kbd512. hoo rah. whatever.

you are an american. so am i. we are fuc*ing demeaned. we can disagree on policy. we disagree, i know, it's cool. but come the f*ck on. Don't sell yourself and your principles for the short term Trump gain. Reject the liberal alternative, but also reject what is categorically a rejection of your core values.

Or not. Whatever.

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#385 2019-10-24 17:04:28

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So we will send a man packing that has served his time in Iraq fighting as a marine and believing in the american dream since age 3 just because he was brought here with out a passport visa by his parents sending him back to a country he knows nothing of El salvador....

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#386 2019-11-03 21:11:58

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Many have said that the wall was near worthless and Trump defends border wall design after report smugglers are sawing through it

cordless reciprocating saw that costs as little as $100, with slowing not for long such as to impede the efforts of smugglers but they still got through and away.....
I guess a billions of dollars for a wall is not what it use to be

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#387 2019-11-04 01:16:22

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clark with a "k",

I don't agree with what our government did to one of our Marines one little bit.  Anyone who's given their blood to defend our nation has earned the right to our title.  If we can waste lives to bring back deserters, then we can certainly put pen to paper to prevent those who were loyal to us from being deported.  There was a time when all of our Presidents served in the military.  It might be time to bring that tradition back.  The Commander in Chief supposedly has a magic pen that can make stupid problems, such as this one, magically go away.  I'm obviously not him, but now would be a really good time to use it.

Here's something else that's also fundamentally wrong...

I can't even get my wife's own family members over here from Viet Nam without waiting in line like everyone else, yet we have millions of people who completely disregard the fact that our nation, just as every other nation does, has laws about who is permitted to enter and leave.

If you don't like the laws, does that mean you just get to ignore them whenever it pleases you?

If that's not the definition of criminality, then what qualifies?

What agreement do you think we should have with our own government to uphold the laws?

The Democrats had every opportunity to legalize everyone already here, or anyone who comes here, when they had both houses of the Legislature and the Presidency, but they didn't do that, did they?

It couldn't have been those evil Republicans, because they didn't have the votes to stop them.

So, what was it?  They keep talking a good game about legalizing everything and everyone, but never seem to actually do it.  It's almost like they don't actually mean what they say.

Anyway, here's what I've noted.  Democrats like the rules whenever they favor them and completely ignore the rules whenever they don't.  It's totally asinine.  All advanced societies that are not in the process of tearing themselves apart are predicated on the overwhelming majority of society following established behavioral rules and various punishments for those who don't.  So, pick some rules and follow them or accept the punishment for not following them.  If you can't do that, then you don't have a society.  You have anarchy.  If you don't already know where I stand on that, then you don't know me very well.

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#388 2019-11-04 16:57:00

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Re: South of the Border Politics

kbd512 wrote:

clark with a "k",

I don't agree with what our government did to one of our Marines one little bit.  Anyone who's given their blood to defend our nation has earned the right to our title.  If we can waste lives to bring back deserters, then we can certainly put pen to paper to prevent those who were loyal to us from being deported.  There was a time when all of our Presidents served in the military.  It might be time to bring that tradition back.

I agree with you there in we are creating the next generation of haters by doing so.

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#389 2019-11-11 14:58:18

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The undoing of law with the executive pen, attempted removal of amnesty given by the pen has gotten to this ugly point in Supreme Court weighs fate of DACA, 700,000 young immigrants

More than 700,000 young immigrants, who came of age in America but have lacked permanent legal status, look to the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to uphold a program protecting them from deportation to countries they've never truly known.

The justices will hear oral arguments in a case challenging President Donald Trump's controversial 2017 decision to end Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, which grants qualified immigrants temporary residency and work privileges.

The outcome could determine whether those young people, many of whom have registered with the government since 2012, may continue living and working legally in the U.S. or could be subject to removal.

Just thinking that if you came with parents before you were of legal age to consent then you should be protected from the trepass of your parents.

Department of Homeland Security is processing renewals for immigrants already in the program. The Trump Administration has approved more than 373,000 renewal requests since 2017. DACA recipients have become deeply intertwined in American society and advocates say their families include 256,000 U.S. citizen children.

Sending the parents back for the american children constitute plausible harm to them by the governement.

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#390 2019-11-13 22:06:42

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Those that came across of legal age to consent at least 16 possibly 17 should not be under the DACA program and as a result should not be able to get work permits.
U.S. proposes denying work permits to asylum seekers who enter illegally

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#391 2019-11-15 20:59:28

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The Trump administration is preparing court filings to begin taking over private land to build its long-promised border wall as early as this week — without confirming how much it will pay landowners first, according to two officials familiar with the process....A group of Texas landowners who oppose border wall construction are fighting the Trump administration in court over the issue. “They are probably going to get the land in the end, but they are asking the court to dispense with the process that is typically afforded to landowners,” Trump Admin Preparing To Take Over Private Land In Texas For Border Wall. Attorneys for the Department of Justice and Department of Defense have prepared letters of rights of entry, informing property owners that government officials will be entering their land to assess the property, test the soil and conduct land surveys, said two officials.
Posted land means tresspassing....eminant domain taking requires for the benefit of the public and this is not....

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#392 2019-12-07 15:51:29

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This is how wrong the wall has become as to threaten, stalk you in your home ect...
Texans on southern border vow to fight Trump’s efforts to take their homes for border wall
The owner was offered $93,449 in compensation for the land of nearly 13 acres of private property in the Rio Grande Valley, a parcel near the river levee in Hidalgo County...which would not even pay for my 1 acre and home to be replaced....
Thats a slap in the face to those that have not had any problems with no wall...

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#393 2019-12-07 19:40:32

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SpaceNut,

Sending the parents back to wherever they came from constitutes enforcing our immigration laws.  It's too bad for them that their parents are criminals, but nobody forced them to break our laws.  We don't release our own criminals from prison merely because the child of a criminal might not have a father or mother around.  Moreover, merely residing in America, no matter the length of time involved, doesn't give you any of the legal protections of citizenship.  The Executive Branch has the power to enforce immigration laws.  That power was granted to the Executive by our Legislature and affirmed through legal challenge in our Judiciary.

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#394 2019-12-21 20:54:39

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Article goes to show why you can not always put up a fence just any old place...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-hea … ar-BBYe17s

Land along the Rio Grande, the river that forms the border in Texas, is privately held and environmentally sensitive.

Opponents have lobbied Congress to limit funding and prevent construction in areas like the Santa Ana National Wildlife Refuge, an important sanctuary for several endangered species of jaguars, birds, and other animals, as well as the nonprofit National Butterfly Center and a historic Catholic chapel. They have also filed several lawsuits. A federal judge this month prevented the government from building with money redirected to the wall under Trump’s declaration of a national emergency earlier this year. Also, two judges recently ordered a private, pro-Trump fundraising group to stop building its own wall near the Rio Grande.

Even on land the government owns, construction has been held up. In another federal wildlife refuge, at a site known as La Parida Banco, work crews cleared brush this spring and the government announced in April that construction would soon begin. Eight months later, the site remains empty.

According to a U.S. official familiar with the project, work crews discovered that the land was too saturated. The planned metal bollards installed on top of concrete panels would have been unstable because of the water levels in the soil, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the person did not have authorization to share the information publicly.

The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution requires the government pay “just compensation” to anyone whose land is taken for public use. But the government can deposit an amount it deems fair with the court, then seek to take the land immediately on the basis that a border wall is urgently needed. ex..government has deposited $93,449 with the court for 12.6 acres (5 hectares).

Land must not have very much value.....

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#395 2020-01-16 18:02:24

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Pentagon gets new request to build roughly 270 miles of Trump border wall

The disclosure sets up the Pentagon for another showdown with Democrats in Congress, who oppose President Donald Trump's past diversion of billions of dollars in military spending to make good on campaign promises to bolster security on the border.

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