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#51 2018-10-08 10:54:50

GW Johnson
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Re: To be hacked it seems that it does not matter

In 2016,  vote counts were not hacked and changed,  although some attempts at that were made.

Disinformation/propaganda was spread through social media,  most notably but not exclusively Facebook.  While this didn't change votes in machines,  it probably changed a bunch of minds before voting,  based on all the politically-vicious forwards I kept getting in my email.

It could change those minds because those people were (and are) stupid enough to get all their information and "news" off a social media platform,  instead of sources with real journalistic traditions and expectations.  And,  just because it's TV or a newspaper,  doesn't mean that journalistic discipline is there.  Talk radio is particularly infamous,  as is Fox "News".  If you don't hear divergent opinions,  odds are you are in a propaganda echo chamber.

If it's a computer,  it can be hacked.  Period.  Inconvenient little truth,  that.  Vote counts can be made hack-proof by using paper ballots.  Not that hanging-chad or butterfly-ballot BS from 2000,  use darkened-circles and read them with a non-computer Scantron device.  It's worth the extra time to get it right in the first place.  No possibility of a hack.

As for propaganda and disinformation,  quit dumbing down the schools with over-emphasis on standardized tests.  That is NOT the way to teach critical thinking!  People who can really think critically can immediately see the lying corrupt politicians for who and what they really are,  and vote them out,  and will recognize foreign-sourced lies. 

Which vote-them-out threat is why those lying corrupt politicians keep dumbing down the schools.  Now you know why.  You should have already known,  though;  see the effect?  That sentiment applies to both,  or all,  parties,  by the way.  Prioritizing party advantage above the public good should be a capital offense.

GW

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#52 2018-10-08 11:31:19

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Re: To be hacked it seems that it does not matter

vote counts were indirectly change via the registries for whom could vote databases, by the real id and many other ways....

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#53 2018-10-08 14:30:46

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Re: To be hacked it seems that it does not matter

Terraformer wrote:

Bellter,

Despite the hysteria that's been spread by certain groups and individuals, the US election was not actually hacked. What seems to have happened is that foreign governments decided to do some campaigning of their own. Which isn't at all unusual - America does it all the time, and did so in 2016 during our referendum regarding the EU.

I never said it was.  I couldn't care less about the election.  National socialists, social nationalists, it hardly matters.

It's all Earth vs Mars to a Belter.

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#54 2018-10-13 20:36:02

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At first I thought the title was about someones lawsuit for a do not call list violation or for being hacked or not... but it turns out to be more like an unwanted use of your personal data....
Now for Rent: Email Addresses and Phone Numbers for Millions of Trump Supporters

Donald Trumps team began building a database that offers a pipeline into the heart of the party’s base, a comprehensive list including the email addresses and cellphone numbers of as many as 20 million supporters.

Of course a data base can be used in many ways and not for what it is intended for....

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#55 2018-10-20 21:57:03

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Healthcare just took a hit with this HealthCare.gov system hack leaves 75,000 individuals exposed

A hack was detected earlier this month in a government computer system that works alongside HealthCare.gov, exposing the personal information of approximately 75,000 people, according to the agency in charge of the portal.

When asked if the source of the hacking had been identified and if the system was in a good place ahead of the sign-up season beginning in November for coverage under the Affordable Care Act, the representative could not answer due to it being an active federal law enforcement investigation.

"We are working to identify the individuals potentially impacted as quickly as possible so that we can notify them and provide resources such as credit protection."

The offer of protection is junk as the time period is to short....

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#56 2018-10-21 07:50:59

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Re: To be hacked it seems that it does not matter

The ACA is entirely unConstitutional.  Just a reminder.

And if Putin caused Trump to win, thank you Mr Putin.

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#57 2018-10-21 09:08:48

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Affordable Care Act is Constitutional. In a landmark case for the healthcare industry, the Supreme Court ruled today that the “individual mandate” provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), colloquially known as “Obamacare,” were indeed constitutional. As such, ACA was largely upheld by the Court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitut … e_Care_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurance

Granted these are from Austrailia but they are pretty much universal for all nations...
http://www.insurancecouncil.com.au/for- … -insurance

Aircraft
    Bond
    Construction
    Consumer Credit
    Compulsory Third Party Insurance (CTP)
    Cyber Risk
    Defamation
    Engineering
    Extended Warranty
    Farm, Crop and Livestock
    General Property, Home and Contents
    Home Warranty and Lenders Mortgage
    Pet Insurance
    Product Recall
    Professional Indemnity
    Public and Products Liability
    Strata
    Travel
    Marine Insurance
    Medical Indemnity Insurance
    Motor Vechicle
    Workers' Compensation

The states can require any and all of these and one step up for federal as well...
Insurance is Insurance for some its never going to pay as these are pay in systems, sure you can change companies but they are all working to get you money and to not pay it out....

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#58 2018-10-21 09:10:56

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Yeah, and the Founders got quite the laugh out of that.   Like "WTF, did we give birth to retards or something?" 

The Power to Tax clause clearly outlaws taxes that are meant to punish or coerce the population and these have always been ruled unConstitutional in the past.   They didn't suddenly become "constitutional" or my new word "SCOTUStutional".

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#59 2018-10-21 09:27:40

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Re: To be hacked it seems that it does not matter

I am forwarding the constitional aspects to the other topic...

The hacking of data bases are another problem that means you data is now out there for others to use in any manner.

The data contains your personal information and more.

These and all types of data bases need to be firewall from outside access.

There are so many and when enough data is compiled from each type you can damage the life of the person....

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#60 2018-10-21 09:35:09

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Re: To be hacked it seems that it does not matter

If it is based on computers,  it can be hacked.  That ugly little fact of life should now be obvious,  even to the casual observer, and even to the most die-hard fan of computerizing everything.   

If you have something that you cannot risk being hacked,  then don't associate it in any way with computers.  Such as vote counts from voting machines.  Military guidance systems.  Etc.  That's the ugly little lesson yet to be learned. 

Simple enough,  distasteful as it is. 

GW


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#61 2018-10-21 09:44:44

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To keep a computer from being hacked is called a stand alone system as there is no network connection and software is not changed or removed let alone any files from the computer.

A small non connected standalone network can be done under the same setup when no connections are made outward for that network as its only an internal connection for the collective needs of each to share data in a select group.

Both setups allow only a CD, DVD, hardrive removal or a USB stick to get the contents of the data base which security on the building can stop.

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#62 2018-11-02 20:27:39

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Looking for dirt to smear with or something else?
Manchin says social media accounts were hacked

A Google spokesperson told CNN in September that foreign government hackers targeted the personal Gmail accounts of multiple senators and Senate staffers. Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.) told CBS's "Face the Nation" in July that her office had been subjected to at least one phishing attack targeting email accounts and social media profiles.

And Microsoft said earlier this year that it identified and stopped hacking attempts against three congressional candidates in the 2018 midterms. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) who, like Manchin, is running for reelection, revealed she was one of the three candidate.

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#63 2018-11-03 22:25:56

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We have said it that 'You can't hack paper': How Oregon fights election meddling "Throw them on the scrap pile." Oregon officials of both parties say voting machines are inferior to their vote-by-mail system.

Twenty years ago, Oregon became the first state in the nation to conduct all statewide elections entirely by mail. Three weeks before each election, all of Oregon's nearly 2.7 million registered voters are sent a ballot by the U.S. Postal Service. Then they mark and sign their ballots and send them in.

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#65 2018-12-30 21:44:27

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Seems that everyone is having issues with being Hacked...

NASA Data Breach Highlights Agency Cybersecurity Problems

A cyberattack that may have compromised information about current and former NASA employees is only the latest sign of ongoing information security problems that have plagued the agency for years.

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#66 2019-04-13 17:14:26

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Hacker group posts hundreds of law officer records information, “experience and money,”. A hacker group uploaded the personal information of thousands of federal agents and law enforcement officials onto the web after hacking into “FBI-affiliated websites”

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#67 2019-05-02 06:41:05

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We can blame the internet but its what we do with it that is the issue.
We have seen state governments decide using it as a weapon of election tampering, to filter content from google and many more things but Putin signs Runet law to cut Russia's internet off from rest of world

In a couple of years, Russia will have the ability to safely disconnect its internet from the wider internet, according to a law signed Wednesday by President Putin but is that reasonable for a nation as it isolates the people from the truth of the world and what is happening globally.

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#68 2019-05-02 06:59:31

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For SpaceNut #67 ...

I think that Mr. Putin's behavior is a reflection of his guilt .... he (I am confident) knows that his aggression against the United States in recent years is going to lead inevitably to attacks in response.  In fact, there may have already been a small punch landed by US military security personnel.

However, more to the point for the US .... I think that the ability to lock the portals of the Internet is an important national security capability which should be implemented as rapidly as possible.  When the US was attacked on 9/11, authorities had the capability to ground all aircraft, and I am hoping we will establish a similar capability for all points of connection of the Internet to undersea cables and satellite feeds.

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#69 2019-06-05 19:52:20

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#70 2019-06-15 20:54:23

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This is something that if we are ever to have a peaceful world we should not be doing to each other as U.S. Escalates Online Attacks on Russia’s Power Grid

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#71 2019-08-17 16:51:36

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Texas is hit with ransomware attack as at least 20 local governments come under 'coordinated' cyber assault

The Texas Department of Information Resources (DIR) said late Friday that it is leading the response to a 'coordinated ransomware attack' that is crippling critical government infrastructure across the state.

Ransomware disables computer networks and holds them hostage in demand for payment.

'Currently, DIR, the Texas Military Department, and the Texas A&M University System’s Cyberresponse and Security Operations Center teams are deploying resources to the most critically impacted jurisdictions,' the department said in a statement.

The department urged local jurisdictions who have been impacted to contact their local TDEM Disaster District Coordinator.

'DIR is fully committed to respond swiftly to this event and provide the necessary resources to bring these entities back online,' the agency said.

It was not immediately clear which cities had been impacted by the attacks and what entity is suspected of perpetrating them.

The attack came within hours of a massive failure of U.S. Customs and Border Protection computers that caused huge travel delays across the country - although the federal agency has insisted that the outage was not 'malicious' in nature.

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#72 2019-10-06 16:51:46

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Using you browser now against you... Russian hackers modify Chrome and Firefox to track secure web traffic

Many hackers won't touch web browsers beyond exploiting their vulnerabilities, but one group is taking things one step further. Kaspersky has detailed attempts by a Russian group, Turla, to fingerprint TLS-encrypted web traffic by modifying Chrome and Firefox. The team first infects systems with a remote access trojan and uses that to modify the browsers, starting with installing their own certificates (to intercept TLS traffic from the host) and then patching the pseudo-random number generation that negotiates TLS connections. That lets them add a fingerprint to every TLS action and passively track encrypted traffic.

Just why the intruders would need to do that isn't entirely clear. If you've infected a system with a remote control trojan, you don't need to patch the browser to spy on traffic. ZDNetsuggested it might be a failsafe that let intruders spy on traffic for people who remove the trojan, but aren't cautious enough to reinstall their browsers.

The perpetrators appear to be easier to identify, and that might reveal their motives. Turla is believed to work under the protection of the Russian government, and initial targets were located in Russia and Belarus. The group is sophisticated enough to have compromised Eastern European internet providers in the past to infect otherwise clean downloads. This may be an attempt to snoop on dissidents and other political targets using a method that's difficult to thwart.

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#73 2019-10-06 21:12:17

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