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#351 2019-06-15 10:53:56

GW Johnson
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From: McGregor, Texas USA
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Re: Election Meddling

Before y'all get all worked up over the "Steele dossier",  remember exactly what it was and who-all paid for it.  Yep,  I meant "who-all",  the plural. 

It started out as opposition research funded by a conservative anti-Trump group (Republicans) during the 2016 primaries.  The work was done by an American opposition research-for-hire group,  who hired (among others) a former Brit spy named Steele,  who has/had a good reputation for accuracy.  When Trump clinched the Republican nomination,  the anti-Trump conservative group funding this thing quit funding it,  and it languished for a while.

The Democrats heard about this thing's existence,  and funded a restart with the same opposition research-for-hire outfit.  This time around,  Steele was more involved than before.  It appears that the Dems funded this,  but really didn't use much of it in the election.  What we have publicly heard about its contents was released after the 2016 election. 

It was Senator John McCain who first turned a copy of it over to the FBI.  As best as I can tell,  the majority,  but not all,  its content was verified as at least reasonably accurate. There is little verifiable public info about what is true and what was not.

This opposition research sort of thing goes on all the time,  as best I can tell.  Supposedly,  there is nothing illegal about opposition research,  although anything political can be abused.  We the public usually don't hear about such stuff.   

But in Trump's case,  his notoriety made this particular opposition research item a public football to be kicked around.  It was sort of inevitable this would happen.  Both parties lie about it,  mostly by selective omission.  Best to keep that in mind,  as well as its history of funding by members of both parties.

Knowing that pedigree helps keep this way-overblown item in better perspective.

GW


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#352 2019-06-15 15:50:43

kbd512
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Re: Election Meddling

GW,

What parts of the Steele Dossier were verified before they were presented to a FISA Court judge as "evidence" of something?

Are you now privy to the details around how the warrant to spy on President Trump was issued?

Senator McCain may have turned over a copy of the Steele Dossier to the FBI, but Bruce Ohr, husband of Nellie Ohr, who worked for the company that paid Mr. Steele for the dossier through the Clinton Campaign, said it was all just a big lie.  Peter Strzok, Mr. "Hillary Clinton should win 100 million to zero", also said it was made-up BS.  Steele himself outright admitted that he made it up and said he wasn't responsible for its content.  In other words, it was a political fairy tale, or something that was fraudulent / fabricated / falsified for partisan political purposes.  These are the words of the people who both made up the lie and the people who subsequently "investigated" the lie.

Deceive yourself as much as pleases you, rather than ever admit you were profoundly wrong, but I'm going to continue to remind you that your ideation about President Trump has no bearing on verifiable evidence, in much the same way that all actual evidence refutes your conspiracy theories.  I've noticed that you continue to make statements about the various election meddling strategies perpetrated by the Democrats and the Russians that run directly counter to all available evidence.

You either know something that former FBI Director Mueller, former FBI counter-intelligence Special Agent Strzok, and former MI6 agent Christopher Steele all directly refute, or you've constructed an alternative reality in your mind to ignore objective reality.

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#353 2019-06-15 18:11:51

louis
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Re: Election Meddling

Just useless parochial politics. This site is supposed to be about Mars colonisation.  Who cares about American politics? Please shut up.

Last edited by louis (2019-06-15 18:12:05)


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#354 2019-06-15 18:42:12

kbd512
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Re: Election Meddling

Louis,

Nobody is stopping you from posting your ideas here.  This section of the forum is for politics and we discuss our political differences here.

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#355 2019-06-15 19:17:15

SpaceNut
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Re: Election Meddling

2016 Steele and the Dossier were credible enough for former FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to brief President Obama and then-President elect Trump on its contents.

The dossier is not the 400 plus Mueller probe report but at 35 pages is way more than the 4 page coverup by Barr.

These Reports Allege Trump Has Deep Ties To Russia; A dossier, compiled by a person who has claimed to be a former British intelligence official, alleges Russia has compromising information on Trump. Jan of 2017
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/an … mp-dossier


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01- … ted-russia


I’m Proud We Published the Trump-Russia Dossier Jan 2018

The Steel Dossier report; A whole lot of the infamous document ended up being corroborated elsewhere?

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#356 2019-06-15 19:29:59

kbd512
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Re: Election Meddling

Barr is in the process of uncovering what the Democrats tried and failed to cover up, namely their use of foreign nationals and foreign governments to influence our 2016 elections, which is exactly what they accused the other side of doing, despite a complete lack of evidence to support such accusations.  James Comey and James Clapper are presently under investigation for their own criminal activities related to the 2016 elections.  Leaking classified information to the media is still against the law when Republicans are in power or whenever it hurts Democrats' election opportunities.

Posting leftist media drivel about the personal political beliefs of leftist media people, regarding topics they know absolutely nothing about, is just silly.  Christopher Steele scribbling something on a paper doesn't make it true, either.  I can post a very official looking document about the conspiracy to sell the Brooklyn Bridge if you believe what you read in the Steele Dossier.  That doesn't mean either document is even tangentially related to reality, but it'll look pretty convincing to conspiracy theorists who want to believe something nefarious is going on when someone they don't like is involved.

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#357 2019-06-17 16:55:58

SpaceNut
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Re: Election Meddling

Trump discounts polls that show him trailing ‘Motley Crew’ of Democrats

Trump is afraid he’ll lose reelection, and he’s in a fury over it which has lead to Russia, if you’re listening, it’s Donald Trump – again

Sounds like first amendment in free speech but this is also where we cross a line when the help comes and its going to change the election out come.

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