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#1426 2019-05-12 18:47:59

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Historians Andrew Burstein and Nancy Isenberg say John Adams and his son dreaded "ignorance and power aligned" Donald Trump is the founding fathers' worst nightmare

What truly united the founders was a shared concern that democracy could go horribly awry and destroy this new nation. Adams was not alone among the founders in his concerns that the passions of the public could result in electing people who posed a threat to democracy itself. It’s impossible not to think of Trump when hearing these warnings from the framers.

They feared the rising of a tyrant, dictator, king like persona all of which care little for the people, place himself above the law and rule for the people.

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#1427 2019-05-12 20:42:25

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SpaceNut,

So, basically the article is saying that they feared former President Obama, but they crossed out former President Obama's name and substituted President Trump's name because they're Democrats who accuse their political enemies of the very crimes that their party is busy committing?

That sounds about right to me.

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#1428 2019-05-18 23:58:38

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#1429 2019-05-19 13:44:40

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RobertDyck,

Here in America, we really don't care about how people die.  That ought to be painfully obvious from the following, admittedly less colorful figures.  Guns are a nearly non-existent problem here, although lots of unscrupulous politicians try their best to make it seem like it's a bigger problem than it truly is.  For rational people, the following should put things into perspective.  If guns never existed, the listed death rates would remain exactly as they are.

Crude Death Rate per 1,000 people in 2016:

Canada - 7.4
United States - 8.4
France - 8.8
UK - 9.1
Italy - 10.1
Japan - 10.5
Germany - 11.2

A whole extra person died per 1,000 when compared to your illustrious Canada, but that figure has almost nothing at all to do with guns- despite the fact that America has more guns than people and vastly more guns than any of those other countries.  Nearly 10 times the number of people killed by guns, under any circumstances, die by simply eating themselves to death.  Until we draft our first "fat law", we don't need any more "gun laws".

In 2017, 39,773 "gun deaths" (homicides and suicides and accidents).  Excluding suicides, but not murder-suicides, gun deaths were 15,549 in 2017.  That figure was 15,088 in 2016.  There were 37,461 motor vehicle deaths in 2016.  There were also nearly 70,000 drug overdoses in 2017.  We clearly need to outlaw narcotics...  Oh, wait...  We already did that and the drug OD problem is only getting worse.  Back to the drawing board?  Nope, clearly we need more laws against drug abuse.  Not!

According to CDC, there were about 45.7 million American babies killed by their own mothers between 1970 and 2015.

According to NHTSA, there were 2,092,145 motor vehicle deaths between 1968 and 2015.

There were 1,516,863 Americans killed with firearms (homicides and suicides) between 1968 and 2015.  Roughly 1/3 are homicides and the other 2/3 are suicides or accidents (mostly suicides).

There were 1,396,733 Americans killed in all wars (between our Revolutionary War to 2015).

Here's your source for those two figures listed above from Politifact:

More Americans killed by guns since 1968 than in all U.S. wars, columnist Nicholas Kristof writes

If you think those numbers are too high, we also have this little epidemic called "obesity" which kills off at least a quarter million people per year, if you exclude smoking and other pre-existing medical conditions.

Annual Deaths Attributable to Obesity in the United States

Death is a part of life.  Death in America has almost nothing to do with guns, in a land of more guns than people.  Death by abortion reigns supreme, followed by death by over-eating, death by cancer, death by drug abuse, death by motor vehicle, death by drowning (I'm assuming this is about "saving the children", a group of people that our regressive leftists have never cared about, unless killing children before they open their eyes in this world counts as "caring"), and finally, death by guns.

To my fellow Americans:

If you own guns and care at all about your children or the children of other Americans, then lock your guns up if you're not using them and make sure you have a gun on your person whenever legal (something our regressives like to make illegal whenever and wherever possible, because they thoroughly enjoy murder and mayhem whenever it presents an opportunity to seize power in order to enslave their fellow countrymen) to protect your children from the evil cretins of this world.  On that note, learn how to use your guns properly, else it's not an asset, it's a liability.  If you won't commit to doing that, then firearms ownership and use are not practices that you should engage in.  Every right comes with an attendant responsibility and firearms ownership is no different at all in that regard.

Finally, no government on this planet (not just all present governments, but all governments throughout all times) cares at all about protecting you, specifically, let alone your children (people who can't vote), from violent criminals.  Protecting your children is entirely the responsibility of you, the parent, as it always has been.  If any arrogant deceptive politician (yes, that was repetitively redundant) promises to protect your children, if only you surrender your best means to do so yourself, namely your guns, then you should politely ask if that politician would be willing to take a long walk off the nearest cliff.  If he or she refuses to do so, then you can tell him or her that you're not suicidal, either.

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#1430 2019-05-19 14:44:46

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Florida actually records a reason for every abortion legally performed in the state.

Agency for Health Care Administration - Reported Induced Terminations of Pregnancy (ITOP) by Reason, by Trimester - 2018 -- Year to Date

Below is a breakdown of the 2018 responses from the women who aborted 70,083 children:

Percentage    Reason
.0001%    The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship
.001%    The woman was raped
.003%    The woman's life was endangered by the pregnancy
.01%    There was a serious fetal abnormality
.01%    The woman's physical health was threatened by the pregnancy
.02%    The woman's psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy
20.02%    The woman aborted for social or economic reasons
75.40%    No reason (elective)

If I read that correctly, 95.42% of legally abortions performed in Florida in 2018 had nothing at all to do with rape or incest or the health of the mother.  That means 66,875 children were killed by their own mothers, apparently because they wanted sex without consequences.  After the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, WaPo reported on March 23rd, 2018 that nearly 26,000 children (Americans aged 17 or less) have been killed by guns since 1999 (out of a population of 300 million or more).  So, more mothers elected to abort their children in 1 year in 1 state (Florida), than all the kids killed by guns since 1999.

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#1431 2019-05-20 15:00:50

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Does your "death rate" include abortions? Then it isn't a death rate.

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#1432 2019-05-20 18:25:54

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RobertDyck,

No, it doesn't.  Neither does Canada's crude death rate.

Some magic happens whenever a child leaves the womb and that little person magically leaps into existence... except now that little person doesn't leap into existence even after leaving the womb in some of our regressive states... if the mother decides she doesn't want the child after third trimester abortions wherein the child is either surgically cut up into smaller pieces for removal through the vagina, delivered by cesarean, or the natural vaginal delivery process.  Those states can now just ask the mother if she wants to keep the child.  If she says "no", then the doctors just don't feed the child or provide any other medical care and, well, nature takes over from there.  That is precisely what one of these new late term abortion laws permits the medical providers to do.

What kind of person tells their medical provider to just let the child they just gave birth to starve to death because they decided that they don't want the child?

At that point, why not just put the child up for adoption?

After the child is born, at what age is the child legally a human being protected by our laws?

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#1433 2019-05-20 18:46:33

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We have a topic for these posts
Abortion Rights and Extremism

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#1434 2019-05-20 19:10:31

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SpaceNut,

My entire point is that American women choose to kill millions of utterly defenseless babies who committed no crimes at all because they were utterly incapable of ever doing so.  We already know from the state that keeps statistics on this stuff that rape and incest and medical necessity account for very few of the abortions performed every year.  Strangely, a certain segment of our population seems downright gleeful over that- to the point that they brag about having abortions on Twitter, though for the life of me I can't figure out why.

Since the people who think abortion is so great apparently have problem at all with killing tens of millions babies, most of which would have been born to the racial minorities that those same people claim to represent the interests of (that seems like a very bizarre way to "represent their interests", if you ask me), why is it that the rest of us should give up our guns because an additional 1,368 of the kids per year are murdered by whack jobs with guns?

We're not asking medical doctors to give up their medical practice licenses after they kill babies by the truckload for no other reason given by the mother than "just because I want to", so why should gun owners who haven't killed or injured anyone have to give up their guns simply because someone else has?

I don't demand that people who have never even had a parking ticket give up their driver's licenses whenever some drunk goes out and plows into a school bus full of children.

What gives?

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#1435 2019-05-21 19:36:12

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The steps are drawing closer to the taxes of the president as it has been determined within the right of congress .. The fate of Trump's financial records has ironically landed in the hands of Merrick Garland's court whose chance at a spot on the high court was derailed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell...

Back from the past Tillerson meets for seven hours with House Foreign Affairs Committee; Former secretary of state Rex Tillerson met with lawmakers for seven hours behind closed doors Tuesday to discuss his time in the Trump

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#1436 2019-05-26 18:31:20

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Its ok to have free speech but not so if you are an Utah judge suspended for anti-Trump comments

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#1437 2019-05-27 13:15:04

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SpaceNut,

If Democrat judges wish to maintain the pretense of impartiality before the public, then they can't publicly disparage their political opponents due to disagreements about the best way to run our country, especially when they're appointed rather than elected to their positions.  President Trump was elected to office by the American electorate.  The Utah Supreme Court judge in question was appointed to his office.

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#1438 2019-05-29 21:11:27

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We have seen the corrupting of the court by picks that are less than what we would want and this comes again with Mitch McConnell, who held up Obama’s 2016 Supreme Court pick, says he’d fill a 2020 vacancy

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#1439 2019-06-09 17:01:02

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#1440 2019-06-09 22:25:10

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SpaceNut,

What's comical, and sad but true, is that regressives in this country will spare no attempt to criticize someone they literally know nothing about, never have known anything about, who is basically doing everything that the Democrats were saying were good ideas just a few short years before President Trump was elected.  He's been more successful in business than most people on this planet will ever be.  Some here are now claiming that was all ill-gotten gains from some elaborate scheme that they have zero evidence to point to, much like the Russian collusion hoax that cost the tax payers somewhere between $25M and $40M, yet none of them ever made a peep before he ran for office.

Since President Trump was a Democrat until he decided to run for President, none of his fellow Democrats ever made the rest of us aware of his activities that they now claim are criminal, does that mean that Democrats cover up crimes for their fellow Democrats?

Anyway, President Trump has done more useful things for our country in the past few years than 99.9% of the people criticizing him have ever done and certainly more than former Presidents Obama and Bush ever did.  If you think you can do better, then put your money where your mouth is and run for office.

Start proposing reasonable alternatives if you think you have better ideas.  I honestly think regressives are out of ideas and out of the good graces of the average voter.  The identity politics didn't work.  The claims of moral superiority didn't work.  The communism schtick was DOA.  The constant insults and insinuations of this / that / the other didn't work.  The Russian collusion hoax didn't work.  It's apparent to me that this New Democrat Party lusts after power, for power's sake alone.  All they have now is their bitter hatred for someone who's doing what they utterly failed to do, which would be anything at all that's even slightly useful for the average American.

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#1441 2019-06-10 17:15:19

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Trumps hoax is the "review" — would evaluate whether the counterintelligence investigation launched in 2016 into potential contacts between foreign entities and individuals associated with Donald Trump's campaign "complied with applicable policies and laws."

Campaign individuals on trial or tried have already been identified by the Mueller probe as fact which all that is missing so far is the direction for those individuals which did do it. Simular to the Cohen Trump tape....on election violation....

Proven fact that Russians were behind hacks during the 2016 presidential campaign into the Democratic National Committee and emails belonging to associates of Hillary Clinton.

Barr claims spying...but thats not what an investigation does...

There's more than the CIA and FBI: The 17 agencies that make up the U.S. intelligence community

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St … _Community

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#1442 2019-06-10 20:06:01

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SpaceNut,

Multiple investigations that turn up absolutely nothing related to the original purposes of the investigation is not "investigating" someone.  It's harassment.  If you think what the Democrats did is "investigating", then we can "investigate" the next Democrat President for his entire term in office, whether we find anything or not.  So long as we keep making nuttier and nuttier claims, all without evidence, we're just doing what the Democrats are doing right now.  This charade is becoming more pathetic to watch by the day.

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#1443 2019-06-11 11:25:37

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It is my hope that any and all presidents get investigated to some extent or another.  That is one of the constitutional jobs of congress.  Call it harrassment if you like,  it still has to be done.  And it hasn't been done often enough.

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#1444 2019-06-11 17:56:29

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An orchestra has a band leader which is to conduct the tempo of what is played but even when the individuals play they can play together even if the conductor just stands there.

Trump is that conductor in the lead of the merry band of collusionist but did the president conduct the tempo of the sound or did he just pretend....

Original investigation of which there many:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ … _elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ … sia_(2017)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ … sia_(2018)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ … sia_(2019)

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-- In the months before the 2016 presidential election, the FBI was uncovering efforts by the Russian government to interfere in the election, and the FBI was trying to assess unverified allegations that Trump’s associates were aiding the Russian effort.

Appointed in May of 2017, Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation netted 199 criminal charges, 37 indictments or guilty pleas, and 5 prison sentences with much still in the redactions....

2016 activity timeline of Trump colliages

Mueller wrapped up his investigation related to Russia for the most part: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 14 but could not exonerate or charge even if evidence was there....Trump’s world still appears to face 16 known criminal and civil probes, from as many as a dozen different federal, state, and local prosecutors.

1. The 2016 Russian election attack
2. Wikileaks
3. Middle Eastern influence
4. Paul Manafort’s activities
5. The Trump Tower Moscow project
6. Russia-Trump Campaign contacts
7. Presidential obstruction of jusice
8. Campaign finance violations and Trump Organization finances
9. Inauguration funding
10. SuperPAC funding
11. Foreign lobbying violations
12. Russian spy Maria Butina
13. Russian Internet Research Agency accountant Elena Alekseevna Khusyaynova
14. Turkish influence
15. Trump Organization tax fraud
16. Trump Foundation fraud
17. Violations of the emoluments clause

The news has Tracking 29 Investigations Related to Trump

10  Federal Criminal Investigation
8   State and Local Investigations
11  Congressional Investigations

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#1445 Today 21:31:40

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The GOP in disarray as budget impasse threatens shutdown, deep cuts — and default

Senate Republicans and the Trump administration are struggling to reach an agreement on a path forward on critical budget and spending issues, threatening not only another government shutdown and deep spending cuts but a federal default that could hit the economy hard.

GOP leaders have spent months cajoling President Trump in favor of a bipartisan budget deal that would fund the government and raise the limit on federal borrowing this fall, but their efforts have yet to produce a deal.

No matter what gets to the senate its dead on arrival....

Trump and Congress face a trio of difficult budget issues. Congress must pass, and Trump must sign, funding legislation by Oct. 1 to avoid a new shutdown. They need to raise the federal debt limit around the same time, according to the latest estimates. Failure to do so would force the government to make difficult decisions about which obligations to pay, and could be considered a default by investors, shaking markets and an economy already showing some signs of alarm.

Not a great start for the new fiscal year...starting out not working....

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