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#151 2019-05-27 13:06:16

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Re: Isolationist, Buy American, Trumps Tariff war

SpaceNut,

I guess it would depend upon perspective.  Similar to both Ford and GM, Chrysler was run into the ground through a series of inexcusably poor management decisions that bankrupted all three auto makers.  I can't say with certainty where this latest attempt to expand market share through acquisition will ultimately go, but my guess is that the competitive strengths of all the companies involved will ultimately suffer, as they typically do.

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#152 2019-05-30 22:08:10

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Re: Isolationist, Buy American, Trumps Tariff war

Another cause and effect to american companies and the people of America is Trade War Starts Changing Manufacturers in Hard-to-Reverse Ways

Sure they can change the supply chains out of China and designing products that don’t require Chinese parts but ControlTek is rewriting contract language to make it easier to pass the cost of tariffs on to its customers....

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#153 2019-06-11 21:14:54

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#154 2019-06-19 16:00:20

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Re: Isolationist, Buy American, Trumps Tariff war

It was back a bit that I said tariff wars were not going to end well...

Two companies petitioned for Trump’s solar tariffs—now they’re both out of business

“Stop the bleeding,” implored panel maker Suniva in its petition to the US International Trade Commission (ITC), joined by a second manufacturer, SolarWorld. These tariffs, Suniva insisted, would generate at least 114,800 new jobs in the US. Trump Administration slapped a 30% tax on imported solar cells and panels SolarWorld Americas, actually a US subsidiary of a German company, was bought out of bankruptcy by SunPower in October. Chinese-owned Suniva filed for bankruptcy this month.

Coal areas have added these type of jobs as the  mining continues to drop
The global transition to clean energy, explained in 12 charts

From my local area the 2 large solar arrays have not gone any further than to get permits to leveling out the ground since early last year and the 1 parcel not owned by the town has changed hands.

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#155 2019-06-20 21:16:26

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#156 2019-06-24 19:50:47

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Re: Isolationist, Buy American, Trumps Tariff war

Not interested in a spit-spat, but some information, you may take as information.

Done


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#157 2019-06-24 19:52:31

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Not interested in a spit-spat, but some information, you may take as information.

This is quite what Peter Zeihan has said was coming.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/T … -Free.html
Quote:

Trump: We Won’t Protect Foreign Oil Tankers For Free
Countries that get their crude oil via the shipping routes in the Middle East should protect their own ships along the lanes, U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday, as tensions between the United States and Iran continue to simmer.
“China gets 91% of its Oil from the Straight, Japan 62%, & many other countries likewise. So why are we protecting the shipping lanes for other countries (many years) for zero compensation,” President Trump tweeted on Monday. 

“All of these countries should be protecting their own ships on what has always been a dangerous journey. We don’t even need to be there in that the U.S. has just become (by far) the largest producer of Energy anywhere in the world! The U.S. request for Iran is very simple - No Nuclear Weapons and No Further Sponsoring of Terror!” President Trump said.
Earlier this month, two oil tankers—one owned by a Japanese firm and the other by a Norwegian company—were attacked in the Gulf of Oman, just outside the Strait of Hormuz, which connects the Persian Gulf with the Gulf of Oman and the open seas. The daily flows of oil through the Strait of Hormuz accounts for around 30 percent of all seaborne-traded crude oil and other liquids.

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While Iran vehemently denies involvement in the attacks on the two oil tankers, the U.S. is blaming the Islamic Republic of being behind the attacks. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said last weekend that the Strait of Hormuz will remain open for all vessels.
Days later, Iran shot down a U.S. drone over the Strait of Hormuz, claiming it had violated Iran’s air space. The U.S. says that the drone was in international air space. The tension increased at the end of last week, sending oil prices surging. The U.S. had apparently prepared a response to the attacks with planned strikes on Iranian targets, before President Trump stopped a planned strike 10 minutes before the strikes, because, he said, they were “not proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone.” 

By Tsvetana Paraskova for Oilprice.com

So, a very changing world.

And parts of the legislature is trying to cut off arms sales to a major oil producer.

Not the world I grew up in.

Some of the more recent stuff from Peter Zeihan.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Pe … ORM=VRDGAR

By the way, I like the UK and Canada, most of the time.  Better to know what the high powers are thinking though, don't you think?

That is not the latest video, but it is fairly recent.  I could not get to the latest one.

Done

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#158 2019-06-25 11:43:54

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Re: Isolationist, Buy American, Trumps Tariff war

So, America is looking to be in imperial retreat. Good. I wonder if this was one of the things Trump spoke about with the Queen? She does have a lot of experience being the head of an Empire that transitioned into being a Non-Empire.

I wonder how much money America spends into other economies to support foreign military bases? Bring them home, and they can spend the money into America economies.


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#159 2019-06-25 20:57:23

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Quote:

So, America is looking to be in imperial retreat. Good. I wonder if this was one of the things Trump spoke about with the Queen? She does have a lot of experience being the head of an Empire that transitioned into being a Non-Empire.
I wonder how much money America spends into other economies to support foreign military bases? Bring them home, and they can spend the money into America economies.

Well, I think the possibility is that want could happen will rhyme with the above.

What a strange world.  When I was young, I read a lot of Sci-Fi.  One book I sort of recall, had a future where the USA was so desperate for oil that they would sneak submarines into Russian waters in the Arctic Ocean.  Were happy if even after being nuked a bit, they got the oil, were still happy even though the oil they got was sort of radio active.  We didn't ever get to that world.

We just let strange people develop shale.  Lots of places would have either stopped it, or some strong man would have taken it from them, and very likely killed them.

It pays to let people dream, and have their dreams.

Well, it has worked so far.

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#160 2019-07-08 18:55:55

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#161 2019-07-08 19:33:07

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Re: Isolationist, Buy American, Trumps Tariff war

SpaceNut,

I thought the leftists wanted to abolish religion?

Shouldn't you be cheering President Trump on, in this one specific case?

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#162 2019-07-08 19:54:53

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Trump’s evangelical base 81 percent of evangelical Christians voted for Trump in 2016, evangelicals are calling Trump a “modern-day Cyrus.”. Evangelical thinker Lance Wallnau then gives Mitchell his take: Trump is a “modern-day Cyrus,” an ancient Persian king chosen by God to “navigate in chaos. “Trump preached xenophobia, racism, sexism, Islamophobia, homophobia, and more, and the white evangelical base said ‘Amen.’

Rank and file white evangelicals, who make up one-fifth of all registered voters in the U.S., have in fact rallied in favor of the reality TV star-turned-presidential candidate. But a number of high profile evangelical leaders have spoken out against Trump’s campaign, policies, and tactics in recent months.

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#163 2019-07-08 20:06:27

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I've never seen one of these Chinese made Bibles you speak of, but whatever.

Suppose President Trump swore to keep Bible production going on an upside-down, backwards Chinese-made Braille Bible with half the pages missing?

Does it still count?

Sorry, I was channeling my inner Carlin there.

I just checked teh interwebz.

The Bible is available as a free download.

Samsung phones are still made in Korea, so I think our holy rollers will survive the trade war.

What's next, no more flying cargo planes full of rubber dog doo doo out of Hong Kong?

This anti-Trump stuff is hilarious.

I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

Thanks, SpaceNut.  I owe you for that one.

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#164 2019-08-02 19:38:28

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Regulator tells CNN Business the trade war is hurting banks in America's farm states on soybeans, wheat, corn and other agriculture products. Trump administration announced plans to pay $14.5 billion in aid to farmers by the end of August. That relief is on top of the $10 billion in aid that farmers received last year.


Fact check: Trump says China is paying for his tariffs. He's wrong.

China is not paying as its being passed onto U.S. importers, U.S. retailers, U.S. consumers,

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#165 2019-08-14 19:40:42

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The job lose estimate was for job losses a year after Trump imposed a 25% tariff on automobiles and auto parts from every country except for Canada, Mexico and South Korea.

Trump said he was going to help working people but Kamala Harris makes false claim about Trump and auto jobs while some estimate that as many as 700,000 autoworkers were going to lose their job before the end of the year.

90% of the hypothetical 367,000 job losses in the February study were attributable to the possibility of Trump imposing the 25% tariff.

The issue is that we are still losing jobs from other sectors of possible employment

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#166 2019-08-14 19:49:42

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Re: Isolationist, Buy American, Trumps Tariff war

We are being fed a narrative all the time...

Well here's another narrative...go back to the 1930s and you will find across North America and Europe there was a huge increase in living standards for most people. It was a bad time for capitalists, because profits were down, but for most people it was a time when they saw their standard of living rise hugely.

Just saying because we are being fed a narrative now that a recession = regression in living standards. It doesn't.


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