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#676 2019-02-28 02:41:33

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Re: The Real Mars

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Almost missed this one, or it shows the sun glistening off something, and also seems to show water running down this hill.

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These are the kind of images l like since the rover is easily seen so any other strange things are not the rover.

Image on the right shows the rover, and its wheels; it also shows the sun behind it, blue hills and the sun partially obscured by a cloud.

Image on the left also shows the same rover, but also shows other weird things that are clearly not shadows on this rock, and the background hills are also visible.

So since the rover is taken out of this anomaly and it cannot be mineral deposits, (very unlikely that mineral deposits this fine and supporting heavier segments could stay intact over millions of years.

We are most likely seeing the root structure of a martian shrub.

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#677 2019-02-28 08:47:52

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https://www.upi.com/NASA-engineers-are- … 551116015/

Apparently Curiosity rebooted and then went into safe mode, (its critical systems are linix based and created by a software company) or something happened.

NASA is claiming it is looking into it, but a lame excuse is the most likely answer.

The rover landed in 2012, and has been driving over the landscape for 6 years, or 6 years of building up a static charge, and as we know mars has rain, so the rover being hit by lighting is the most likely answer.

Of course NASA will never admit that, so garbeging the software company is the most likely scapegoat.

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#678 2019-03-01 03:09:53

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Right hand image, may be a closer look at the weird building, or there are details there that shouldn't be.

Left, middle arrow, sun setting, and the right arrow, l don't believe that this is the rover. Or it appears to be depicting a statue of a humanoid with big ears and a dark hat on. If smoke is rising from this then it is probably another restaurant, (l know smoke, but the next image add's a little more credibility to that idea.

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Left sun still setting on an overcast sky, and some weird martian face above the sun, not sure if this is an hologram or a fluke but worth mentioning.

Right what appears to be smoke rising or it is in front of the hills so is not clouds. Might be the rovers dust rising, which at least shows there is no wind about today.

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This one l have no idea? Best guess that this is one of the arms from the statue and is holding something related. The gray area above may be someone walking through their door with the lower part depicting plants perhaps. With their level of tech, this could be a giant 360d, holographic movie screen constantly running their wares.

If you have a business on mars, apparently giant models or holographic projectors are the way to get peoples attention.

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#679 2019-03-02 08:38:20

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Mars sun still setting and a sky of rainbearing clouds, (top).

Next ones down naturally show puddles and water flows, (pretty obvious from the right hand one, reflecting the sunset back to us).

Obviously with little rain and small animals running about some tracks should be seen coming from and to the puddles, (bottom arrow shows that) and it doesn't fit the rovers tracks, or they disappear.

So l tried to track it down, and found this. Could be part of the rover or a white, skinny wild cat?

And last, appears to be a stand alone martain machine, or the surrounding landscape is behind this thing so it is not a ref, of the rover.

There appears to be a path going past this thing, so a more elaborate totem pole or letterbox is my best guess.

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#680 2019-03-02 08:43:32

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And all images above, except the cloud one were taken from this image.

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#681 2019-03-02 16:13:43

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Re: The Real Mars

0:55 - amazing image. WTF is it?  A rock? I really don't think so. Very odd. Could be a skull but what is it attached to...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op5vXIfYiCA

Hoping Joe Wright will do a more detailed video on this with commentary...I think he rushed this out.


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#682 2019-03-02 20:00:07

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louis wrote:

0:55 - amazing image. WTF is it?  A rock? I really don't think so. Very odd. Could be a skull but what is it attached to...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op5vXIfYiCA

Hoping Joe Wright will do a more detailed video on this with commentary...I think he rushed this out.

Probably a combination of the rover and reflective rock, but the thing in the distance behind it with the wire and pole isn't the rover at all, and is a legitimate artificial object.

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#683 2019-03-04 17:40:47

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Another v interesting find on Mars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmGKWEZZ56A


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#684 2019-03-04 20:19:20

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louis wrote:

Another v interesting find on Mars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmGKWEZZ56A

Yees, the statue isn't bad, but it is also reflecting a lot of the rover back to us, so l don't know?

I occasionally come across stuff like this then bin it, when l realize that it is ref, back the rover, and isn't a face or whatever.

Just had a run in with a troll elsewhere, and phew, bitched and moaned about everything l said, then l posted the ESA Mars image, with the blue atmosphere and green, etc, which is pretty much slamming NASA. And it did quiet down, then kept baiting his posts so l would post something else. No acknowledgement or apologies, or even recognition that l have something.

Yes, when NASA tells the truth to the mindless masses, these are the ones that l will keep an eye on.

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#685 2019-03-05 03:09:16

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Apparently others are asking reasonably nicely elsewhere, and at least until stupid comes into the conversation l will keep replying, but during some research l found this clever NASA video.

https://mars.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nigh … -approach/

As you can see, they only show the true Mars with blue atmosphere and green in a collage image or small scale, then show the most recent closeup one, (58 seconds in) full screen on the video, and as usual, no atmosphere, and the no green joke we are used to.

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#686 2019-03-05 08:36:58

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Well, same old ending elsewhere, after showing the image l posted here a while ago showing mars from orbit with the lakes and such, they wanted to know where, which is very hard to find, (or it has been pulled) so went to a NASA site and found this instead.

https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/archi … 80x720.mp4

Confirms that Mars has a blue sky and plant life, but not really the lakes or oceans, but that is a given considering.

Completely ignored the three links l provided and instead trashed the author of the original ESA Mars image????

As Einstein said "human stupidity is infinite" or evidence does not convince.

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#687 2019-03-06 03:16:33

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This is how ridiculous NASA is getting...

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First two images are from around 1998, from Hubble and the ESA satellite, both show green areas on the planet and blue atmosphere, (eventhough it is harder to see on Hubble, the lakes) and then we have the most recent raw image l could find, (last one) on what Mars looks like from orbit.

I typed in raw images from NASA of Mars, but this image from last year is the only one l could find.

The blue atmosphere has vanished, as has all of the vegetation and lakes or inland oceans.

Well it shows no atmosphere at all from what l can see.

So if we trust in NASA and compare its Hubble library of Mars images with this one, that must mean that its blue atmosphere disappears and reappears on a regular bases, and it must also change color from red to blue constantly which covers all of the Spirit/Opp and Curiosity images, (about 25 years in total, and 99% red/orange, regardless of elevation, etc).

I would think that you need to be a little psychotic to buy this nonsense, and more so to keep buying it.

hmm

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#688 2019-03-06 10:08:23

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I thought that the link from #686, (which l got from an official NASA site) would convince anyone, but apparently not. Thankfully two have disappeared, (other forum) and the one with the gutter mouth refuses to see the obvious.

So when Einstein said, "Human stupidity is infinite" he was spot on, some just don't want to see it or say that they were wrong, or frickin apologize.

I witnessed this psychotic behavior before when posting the UFO one, (link on this thread somewhere) but yeah, if l or someone here posts the water drops and wet dirt one, it won't do any good for some, or some have been conditioned from birth to believe that Mars is a dead rock and any intelligent life is too far away to be a worry.

Evidence does not convince even from a NASA site, for some, and yeah, when NASA shows the monolith with markings or writing on it, in 2033 when they land on one of Mars moons, these types need to be kept away from small firearms,...l guess.

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#689 2019-03-06 17:23:50

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Those are the Flat worlders which can not even believe Earth is round.

Post #687 is without a doubt beautiful.

What we need is the timing for when they were taken in regards to seasons for mars.

Are we still seeing the cloud cover?

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#690 2019-03-06 20:29:51

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SpaceNut wrote:

Those are the Flat worlders which can not even believe Earth is round.

Post #687 is without a doubt beautiful.

What we need is the timing for when they were taken in regards to seasons for mars.

Are we still seeing the cloud cover?

True, Mars is another jewel apart from Earth, but some only want to see a dead, rock, which relates to stagnant mindset, which seems appropriate.

https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targe … Telescope:

This is where l got most of my recent links from, but l don't think that there are any time delayed images here, although from the polar icecap and such, mars does have seasons.

It must have taken a small army to Photoshop the last Mars from orbit image l could find from NASA, (one above or in the video) which explains why it is very difficult to find a Mars image from orbit on any NASA site?

I guess they figure that one very good lie or image will keep things together, but there is 14 years to go, until NASA most likely tells the truth about all of this, but from what l have recently witnessed the herd is so well trained now, NASA doesn't need to try so hard.

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#691 2019-03-07 05:44:23

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The ESA image l posted previously is not available on their ESA site, or l got it from Google images. Which is ok, since Hubble backs it up.

And since the vultures are still circling elsewhere, l have had to up the antie.

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The right hand image, (l took the same part or area) is a screenshot from the NASA video l showed previously as it is the only recent image available, and the left is from the Gif animation that Hubble took in 1998.

As you can see left blue atmosphere, right none, left green and orange, right none.

Atmospheres around planets just don't vanish, and is a classic example of NASA's lies in full force.

ESA does have some mars from orbit images, but they are the usual bs, no blue ones mass media rely on.

And l have also found that when l try to download their high res images, they are always in Tif format, instead of Jpeg, which is standard, unless you want to embed a virus or two.

Which NASA has done to deter a closer inspection, (cannot open it with Photoshop, and it tends to open my virtual XP, don't ask me why, or l have to force it into Photoshop)

Silence so far elsewhere, but l expect a seriously stupid reply to explain something that cannot be explained apart from an intentional coverup.

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#692 2019-03-07 21:10:47

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I posted this also, since the first right hand image was from a video, and could be passed off as a fake.

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Right, Viking 1998, left Hubble 2017

Or in other words, iron clad, 100% proof that NASA is lying, (atmospheres just dont vanish, or go through all Earth images and try to find one without its atmosphere).

Oh for deity's sake - it's COMPLETELY different lighting!!

Do you not have a single photographic clue?  The lighting angle can do all sorts of things regarding color balance, and UNLESS you look at that ACTUAL filtration that was used at the time of exposure, AND all/any subsequent post processing, this sort of idiotic handwaving is.... idiotic handwaving.

There are many people out there who know how to do this, and also know how complex and subjective it can be.  Thos people also know how to get back to the original uncorrected images, and all the specifications and information about sun angle etc that you would need to do a rigorous analysis.

..... is NOT one of those people, and I'm certainly not wasting my time trying to educate the uneducatable.

I'll ask again, is anyone else seeing inexplicable green that they think must be vegetation?

Anyone else not know that Mars does have a (thin) atmosphere, and that color of that atmosphere (again) is very complex and depends on sun / camera angles, type and amount of dust, etc..?

Total nutter, that is beyond rational conversation.

I thought that l had proven beyond a doubt that NASA intentionally hides data, but nope, infinite stupid is infinite.

It seems that the thought that Mars is earthlike raises the intelligent life idea, and that literally scares the hell out of some people. NASA's BS leaked videos using fear as a deterrent also add's to this barrier.

Also explains why l never post this sort of material there, dealing with closed minded, dimwits every day takes its toll.

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#693 2019-03-09 03:57:38

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Ok back to work.

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A good example of a river.

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And this, more examples of water flows on the lower image, (the ground in previous images where the rover was embedding its tracks looked damp, but nothing clinging to the wheels, so not postworthy).

And this, l had to run through 10 images, but it was worth it. Whatever this is it is reflecting in the stream, (which confirms that this is water) and seriously looks like a human wearing a toga type outfit. He appears to be facing away from us and has white or gray hair, which would back up a race of humans being descended from an Egyptian type race in the past, (the Sedona region, with the face and pyramids, exactly matches Earths in regards to pinpointing neighbouring star systems).

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#694 2019-03-11 03:28:03

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The Mars rover in the foreground, and what looks like a city in the background.

I thought that the lower right was a drawing, but probably just part of the rover. Lower image, the rover, (arrow) and a building on the left, with some more possible structures on the hilltop, and the city or industrial complex on the right.

The thing that l thought was the rover, is most likely a giant structure depicting a humanoid holding a silver plate, (right hand) and throwing something from a cane, (left hand), which makes more sense with the giant buildings, etc in the distance. A factory sign or signifying that this city makes the best pasta, (with humanoids on the planet, a large part of their diets should match ours) best guess?

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Dark clouds left, and a good example of not getting all excited and doing a YT video about it, (right), or this looks like an artificial, dirty and transparent structure with something inside?

But on closer inspection it is the rovers wheel, and the top bit, part of the rover also.

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#695 2019-03-13 07:11:05

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More great finds from Joe White:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fZqg9qdVU

At 14:44 - a very weird structure...looking like some sort of leprechaun figure complete with floppy hat! Slightly agnostic on that as it's possible it's trick of the eye seeing different objects overlaid...but Joe's interpretation can't be dismissed out of hand.

At 20:55 - much more obviously there: two "fish".  These do look quite convincing to me. The one on the left is reminiscent of the cuttlefish's structure.


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#696 2019-03-15 05:34:45

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Found three different rotations of mars, the first is probably the closest to the ESA one.

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http://solarviews.com/eng/mars.htm

And these or l went through all space probes that took orbital images of Mars.

Top is Hubble 17, second ESA 97, Third Viking, (77) next another Viking Surveyor image, (1998) but no orange or atmosphere again, last Viking again, (98) or different color and no atmosphere.

Nasa gives an explanation for the huge difference between Hubble and the rest...

These Hubble Space Telescope views provide the most detailed complete global coverage of the Red Planet ever seen from Earth. The pictures were taken on February 25, 1995, when Mars was at a distance of 103 million kilometers (65 million miles). To the surprise of researchers, Mars is cloudier than seen in previous years. This means the planet is cooler and drier, because water vapor in the atmosphere freezes out to form ice-crystal clouds.

Water vapour, so according to NASA there is water vapor in the atmosphere eventhough it boils away at ground level, and if there is water up higher then we should see a dominantly blue sky, and should also get rain clouds.

But of course that boils away before hitting the ground, eventhough as we know it doesn't.

NASA is lying so much they are tripping over their lies, but the herd will buy it, so that is all that matters.

Viking takes several image of Mars, all no atmosphere over several years, Hubble takes images also from 1995 to 2017, all with blue atmosphere, ESA likewise, but anytime Hubble takes an image, it is always blue, over 20 years but any other closer image, it is always a dead rock, (with the ESA exception, that has vanished from their ESA site).

So Hubble takes an image from 1998 with a blue atmosphere and Mars Global Surveyor from the same year, shows no atmosphere. Sounds like they cannot get their blue spectrum colors right from orbit either, when they take a full color image, lol, (the majority of Hubble images from 1998 show a blue atmosphere, but take an image from orbit from the same frickin year, and it magically goes away).

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#697 2019-03-16 03:38:15

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Ok, we finally got a decent res, image from Opportunity, last thing it sent.

https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/multimedia/panoramas/

If you want to look through it without photoshop.

https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/22342/o … rue-color/

And if you want to download it, thankfully this one behaves, or Photoshop didn't crash once.

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Didn't find much, top image found some damp sand or dirt, and bottom image, clearly shows moss or lichen growing in this area that is in a water runoff area, (slam dunk CP confirmation, although the trace of green is pretty obvious).

From the other rover tracks this area recently went through some rain, which would account for clean solar panels and the green and darker soil.

And yep, blue sky is just visible when the BS red/orange filter is removed.

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#698 2019-03-16 07:25:38

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Tmcom,

Why can't the variable atmospheric colors simply be the result of the variable effects of Rayleigh scattering, dependent upon how much dust the atmosphere was loaded with at the time / place the photo was taken?  Don't we already see that every day here on Earth?

For example, high up in the atmosphere and/or on a day without a lot of dust present, I would think that the sky would be blue.  If there was a heavy amount of dust in the atmosphere and the photo was snapped from ground level, then I would expect the sky to be red, just like what we see during a sunrise / day / sunset cycle here on Earth.  If you've ever seen a dust storm out in west Texas, the sky can be orange due to the dust.  Anyway, just a random thought.

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#699 2019-03-16 09:18:10

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kbd512 wrote:

Tmcom,

Why can't the variable atmospheric colors simply be the result of the variable effects of Rayleigh scattering, dependent upon how much dust the atmosphere was loaded with at the time / place the photo was taken?  Don't we already see that every day here on Earth?

For example, high up in the atmosphere and/or on a day without a lot of dust present, I would think that the sky would be blue.  If there was a heavy amount of dust in the atmosphere and the photo was snapped from ground level, then I would expect the sky to be red, just like what we see during a sunrise / day / sunset cycle here on Earth.  If you've ever seen a dust storm out in west Texas, the sky can be orange due to the dust.  Anyway, just a random thought.

Because for two reasons, one when Mars has a large dustorm its atmosphere turns green.

https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegM … modest.jpg

Right hand image, (download it and zoom for the green).

And second all Opportunity/Spirit images at all elevations show no blue sky ever, 20 years of images, while Curiosity shows one, after three years.

NASA said that dust on the lower areas was responsible for the red sky, but when either got to the top of a hill and did a panarmah, (color) no blue sky.

And the only way you can get a green sky is when blue, (Mars true sky color) and red, (the dust particles) are mixed together. Mixing red and red will produce red!

The dimwit l had to discuss this with elsewhere, said that it was the sun or processing that explains the atmosphere disappearing and reappearing.

Both insane remarks. All examples above are color cameras pointing directly at Mars with the sun directly behind it, (same with Hubble) except that Hubble and ESA are the only ones that see the blue.

And l won't discuss the suns angle, since that is insane.

Bottom line is they were all color cameras pointing directly at Mars when the sun was directly behind them, and there is no reason whatsoever for a color image not seeing the blue. Viking in 77, took pretty good color image on the surface before NASA screwed them up, with a blue sky, eventhough from orbit atmosphere gone.

Others might buy this atmosphere here and gone nonsense, but for me Mars atmosphere has been there for billions of years as our has and is. And if anyone wants to prove this flat earth type science to me and others then finding an image of the Earth with no atmosphere at all would help!

hmm

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#700 2019-03-16 10:42:21

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Re: The Real Mars

Hemitite is blue and the yellow of the suns light make green until the color of the dust is not of blue hue and then we get a different colored sky.

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