South of the Border Politics

SpaceNut · 2019-01-13 17:47:19

Turn of events in that Mexico has discovered some more tunnels going under walls that were very large for transporting of cargo through...So walls do not work sure nothing went above ground but how long did it operate below....

Terraformer · 2019-01-14 05:38:05

I wonder if we could search for tunnels using ground penetrating radar? Go over the entire border every few days, either by drone or manually (if the border patrol had the same number of people as the TSA - 57,000 - it would have one employee for every 56 metres of the border). Any tunnels discovered will be quickly shut down. We could even dig a trench and fill it with concrete, making it a lot harder to tunnel through. Scratch that, sand is a lot cheaper - you can dig through it, sure, but you need to install a lot of supports as you do.

SpaceNut · 2019-01-14 12:08:07

1. Technology
2. man power increase
3. Trenched below ground extreme depth barrier
4. Above Ground barrier

So an all around balanced package must be employeed for a slowing of illegals crossing the border and not single items only....

Most Americans Hold Trump Responsible For Government Shutdown

Trump demand going up from $4.1 billion has now hit $5.7 billion in border wall funding for 1,000 miles of new wall, which is just wall alone when existing 654 miles are in need of replacement with no schedule for the amount to be built or for any further amounts for following years.

Others have been saying that we will need $4.2 billion for detention beds, an increase of $798 million over the previous Senate bil
and $800 million to address humanitarian needs like “enhanced medical support plus transportation

The House has been passing bills to get things reopened and funded but the McConnel obstructionist has siad he will not even bring any of them up unless they meet Trumps demands.

elderflower · 2019-01-15 04:59:26

The wall and the shutdown look like useful distractions. From what?

SpaceNut · 2019-01-15 17:05:17

Government shutdown leads to nearly 43,000 canceled immigration hearings

The government shutdown has led to the cancellation of nearly 43,000 immigration hearings as of last week, burdening an already backlogged system,

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government … 019-01-14/

Trump owns this and so does McConnel as another bill was passed by the house to get the government open and its not being worked and or discussed in the senate....

SpaceNut · 2019-01-18 19:48:59

Another caravan is entering Mexico some doing it legally but in a smaller size than last summer.

GOP Rep. Will Hurd says wall is "least effective" border security measure

Saw 2 articles earlier in the day that shows several hundred once getting under the wall surrendered to the border agents willingly standing inline.

Largest-ever group of migrant families tunnels under Yuma, Arizona, border fence
A group of 376 migrants tunneled underneath the border fence near Yuma on Jan. 14 before turning themselves into border agents, officials said.

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Migrants Are Climbing Over and Digging Under the Border Wall Despite Trump’s Tough Words

SpaceNut · 2019-01-19 21:11:45

Remember when Trump called MS-13 and the violence was why he wanted immigrants out when its that reason that we are getting the influx of immigrants that want out of the violence.

A crisis of Trumps own making in that now Trump offers 3-year extension of protection for ‘dreamers’ in exchange for $5.7 billion for wall to build more than 200 miles of new wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. Democrats are refusing to offer more than $1.3 billion to extend existing funding levels for border barriers and fences. Democrats also frequently point out that Trump long claimed Mexico would pay for the wall. The Democrats of the House plan to next week the House will take up another batch of spending bills aimed at reopening the government without funding the wall that will include some spending directed to the border. One bill will include $563 million for immigration judges, the same figure Trump has requested; another will include $524 million to expand facilities at ports of entry along the border. Which will not matter as McConnel will not take any bill up until Trumps says so....

SpaceNut · 2019-01-20 15:27:18

Defeating the wall Border Agents working without pay see large groups of migrants crossing into Arizona

Available Customs and Border Protection data shows a total of 396,579 people were apprehended by the US Border Patrol for fiscal year 2018 at the southwest border, which would mean an average of 1,087 each day. The numbers differ each month. The highest number of apprehensions was in September, with a daily average of nearly 1,400. According to data from Doctors Without Borders, 68.3% of migrants and refugees "entering Mexico reported being victims of violence during their transit toward the United States," and nearly one-third of women said they'd been sexually abused.

Of course Trump is threatening to deport the 11,000,000 plus people who are here illegally covered by amnesty under DACA protection...$5.7 billion for the wall he wants to build along the southern border in exchange for a 3 year delay in going after them...
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., readily agreed to bring his proposal up for a vote on the floor next week, conservatives were quick to criticize the president for offering "amnesty" to undocumented immigrants. Trump created the DACA and TPS messes and is dangling a temporary fix as a bargaining chip.

IN 2006 Bush wanted to extend the wall and there are still 80 cases going through the courts to take peoples land to be able to get a wall built. Land that even they do not require a wall as the owners of the land.

Democrats have not said no totally to a wall but Trump is trying to make it sound that way. 'I would not rule out a wall in certain instances' along the southern border: Top House Homeland Security Democrat Bennie Thompson

The Democratic chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee said that he "would not rule out a wall in certain instances"...you have to have a plan, and the plan that the president initially started with is not where he is now.

Trump said his plan includes "$800 million in urgent humanitarian aid, $805 million for drug detection technology to help secure our ports of entry, an additional 2,750 border agents plus law enforcement professionals and 75 new immigration judge teams."

Terraformer · 2019-01-20 15:48:44

Trump created the DACA and TPS messes

No. The DACA mess was created by Barack Obama, and the misuse of Temporary Protected Status has been going on for far longer than that.

SpaceNut · 2019-01-20 16:12:59

Actually Amnesty caused the issues; it was trying to undo and reverse previous Presdents by what Trump did try to do in the reversal of DACA. The act of undoing create more of a mess than going with the pathway creation to citizenship which was started by Amnesty plus DACA, which was just not finished.

SpaceNut · 2019-01-20 19:52:17

Its now a crime to be a humanitarian aid volunteer....even if it prevents deaths...
Aid volunteers found guilty of dropping off water, food for migrants in protected part of Arizona desert

Means we can stop giving a dam about anywhere else that we are send aid to
https://borgenproject.org/5-top-humanit … nizations/

SpaceNut · 2019-01-24 21:01:29

2006, George W. Bush signed the Secure Fence Act, which ultimately led to construction of 653 miles of reinforced fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border. The Department of Homeland Security had finished most of the fencing by the time President Barack Obama took office in 2009, but the agency still has 47 miles of authorized, unfinished fencing to be constructed.

Before construction can even begin, the government will have to secure the land on the border needed for the wall. About two-thirds of the land along the border is privately owned and most of that is in Texas. That means that in order to build a border wall, the federal government would have to exercise eminent domain as was done when land was acquired for portions of the border where there is fencing. From the Bush presidential era border-related eminent domain cases in 2012 found that “the U.S government spent approximately $15 million to acquire 300 properties along the border in Texas.

The United States has found 150 tunnels under the U.S.-Mexico border since the 1990s and that number is going up under existing walls...

Here is what I want to know is how long does it take to build the actual section of the current Ballad style walls even if they seem to be easily defeated?

The border is almost 2,000 miles long, two-thirds of which tracks the Rio Grande River. Land along the border cuts through cities, including San Ysidro, California, and El Paso, Texas, as well as rural farmland, desert, arroyos, craggy mountains and wildlife reserves.

The border features an array of existing fencing, more than 30 border patrol stations and 25 legal ports of entry. With barriers that span 653 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border, mostly along the western half.

SpaceNut · 2019-01-26 16:40:06

The shutdown is over for now but the fall out is just starting Trump’s golf course employed undocumented workers — and then fired them amid showdown over border wall.

The sudden firings — which were previously unreported — follow last year’s revelations of undocumented labor at a Trump club in New Jersey, where employees were subsequently dismissed. The firings show Trump’s business was relying on undocumented workers even as the president demanded a border wall to keep out such immigrants.
President Trump still owns his businesses, which include 16 golf courses and 11 hotels around the world. He has given day-to-day control of the businesses to his sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump. Trump has argued that undocumented immigrants have harmed American workers by driving down wages. That was part of why Trump demanded a border wall and contemplated declaring a national emergency to get it.
The Trump Organization has shown “a pattern and practice of hiring undocumented immigrants, not only in New Jersey, but also in New York,” Romero said. “We are demanding a full and thorough investigation from federal authorities.”

Sure the end of shutdown has happened but federal workers have now been left with debts, bad credit and shattered trust...

elderflower · 2019-01-27 11:41:15

Of course there is also a border wall in China and another across Northern England. Both built to keep the barbarians out!

SpaceNut · 2019-01-27 17:43:03

We all know how 21 days will go by really quick but Trump is already threatening to use his pen again to declare a National emergency to build a near useless wall when what we have needs to be modified to show that any addition will even do anything to improve the conditions when we already know that Border Control Guards work to capture, detain and to process for the crossings.
All of which a wall can not do.
String as much barbed wire and get more guards to the border with technology to give them the advance notice of any attempts.
He does not have a plan and all Trump seems to want is all or nothing.

SpaceNut · 2019-01-27 19:20:44

Not all that surprised with the shutdown as Trump's border hiring surge has fallen far short

Two years after President Donald Trump signed orders to hire 15,000 new border agents and immigration officers, the administration has spent tens of millions of dollars in the effort - but has thousands more vacancies than when it began.
In a sign of the difficulties, Customs and Border Protection allocated $60.7 million to Accenture Federal Services, a management consulting firm, as part of a $297 million contract to recruit, vet and hire 7,500 border officers over five years, but the company has produced only 33 new hires so far. Trump's mandated 26,370 border agents by the end of 2021.

SpaceNut · 2019-01-29 21:17:44

More dispicable tactics on those coming for Asylum deporting them back in Mexico to wait for court...In break with past policy, US tells first asylum seeker to wait in Mexico

So how do they get back over to go to court?

Mexico has said that no one under 18 alone to be sent back...

The shutdown is over, but immigration courts are in "total chaos"

New poll shows Americans trust Democrats over Trump on border security

SpaceNut · 2019-01-30 22:18:15

I have said before that sending troops to the border toshore up the lines in the sand is not bad and it gives extra hands for them to do other activities that will release the Border patrol agents to do other necessary work.
Pentagon sending about 2,000 additional US troops to southern border

This is the first step to solving the issue...

The additional concertina wire is part of the latest Department of Homeland Security request to the Pentagon for additional support, which was approved by Shanahan earlier this month. Since the fall, military engineers have already built approximately 70 miles of wire obstacles and placed movable barriers at 22 ports of entry in Texas, Arizona and California, according to the Department of Defense.

Something that Trump and others need to coop with is Democrat meets with undocumented immigrants who were fired from Trump's golf club

The firings highlight the disconnect between Trump’s businesses demonstrably relying on undocumented workers while the president himself relentlessly crusades against allowing undocumented immigrants into the country -- even shutting down the government over his demands for a border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

We know this problem is not going away over night and to think that declaring it an emergency is not going to change that. It will take planning and careful thought on each and every expendature to which we are going to pay until the flow stops.

Border security talks begin with no sign of compromise to avert another government shutdown and that does not mean just wall or only technology as it takes bodies to get the work done too.

But here is the big one in that the american people should never ever be held hostage to a tyrants demands.

Ban government shutdowns? Some Republicans and Democrats want to make it the law all of which when we get to day 21 after the government opened we will be faced with again....

SpaceNut · 2019-01-31 17:47:28

Was reading today that Democrats want to put into the bill 22 billion for border security and when it comes to a wall the image was suggested for areas that do not have them as to stop vehicles from trucking through unfenced areas.

It worked to slow even tanks in ww1 & 2 ....

Of course a wall did not stop this as it entered in through the ports of entry...
U.S. border agency says it's made biggest-ever fentanyl bust

The drug was found hidden Saturday morning in a compartment under the rear floor of a tractor-trailer after a scan during secondary inspection indicated "some anomalies" in the trailer's floor, and the agency's police dog team alerted officers to the presence of drugs,

This must be part of that wait in Mexico policy change as Immigrants drove hours for fake, ICE-issued court dates on Thursday

All this will do is make them go into hiding since we are going back on our words that had been given to them.

SpaceNut · 2019-02-02 20:00:17

The absence of fencing along all of the border is not the cause for why drugs keep going through the ports of entry....but this one time it was seen by night detectives. A total of two trucks attempted to avoid a U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint near Gila Bend, about an hour southwest of Phoenix, where they were seen driving into the desert with their lights off.

Police seize $2 million in drugs after trucks tried to avoid border checkpoint in Arizona

People doing there job is security....sure a wall may impede but that can be breeched....

SpaceNut · 2019-02-03 19:31:48

More man power for border security has arrived... Pentagon confirms 3,750 additional troops heading to the US-Mexico border

"That support includes a mobile surveillance capability through the end of September 2019, as well as the emplacement of approximately 150 miles of concertina wire between ports of entry,"
There are already about 2,350 active duty troops along the border in Texas, Arizona and California. In the statement, the DOD said the total number of active duty forces would only rise to 4,350, meaning some of those currently deployed troops would return to their bases. There are also about 2,200 National Guard troops who have been serving on the southern border since last April.
"Additional units are being deployed for 90 days, and we will continue to evaluate the force composition required to meet the mission to protect and secure the southern border,"
Since the fall, military engineers have built approximately 87 miles of wire obstacles and placed movable barriers at 22 ports of entry in Texas, Arizona and California, according to the Department of Defense.

That should stop Trump supposed invasion....

Most oppose Trump declaring national emergency for wall funding, CBS News poll finds

SpaceNut · 2019-02-03 19:59:36

Border agents reportedly discover 60-foot tunnel to Mexico at southern border, nearly impossible to see from the Rio Grande River, at the bottom of a 30-foot embankment, and is located roughly 1,500 feet down the river from Brand's county water pump station. The tunnel, which is seemingly under construction to stretch toward Mexico, was discovered on the American side of the border, near the Rio Grande River in Hidalgo, Texas,

Terraformer · 2019-02-04 02:22:27

I thought tunnels were impossible to stop?

SpaceNut · 2019-02-04 18:27:20

They woke up....people and technology stop the tunnels not walls...

If you give them the training and a vaulters pole they would be jumping over the wall...

SpaceNut · 2019-02-04 20:12:38

They finally are going to use the appropiations from last march 2018 to build wall...walls as iot is a 3 layer system to allow for apprehension.

US prepares to start building portion of Texas border wall

Congress last March approved more than $600 million for 33 miles (53 kilometers) of new barriers in the Rio Grande Valley. According to designs it released in September , CBP intends to build 25 miles (40 kilometers) of concrete walls to the height of the existing flood-control levee in Hidalgo County next to the Rio Grande, the river that forms the U.S.-Mexico border in Texas. On top of the concrete walls, CBP will install 18-foot (5.5-meter) steel posts and clear a 150-foot (45-meter) enforcement zone in front.

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