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#101 2018-11-03 17:26:48

SpaceNut
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Re: Advice to parents on school options

again this time at a Hot yoga gunman Scott Paul Beierle had prior arrests for touching women

Scott Paul Beierle, 40, killed two women in a Tallahassee studio and wounded five other people before turning the gun on himself

gee saved the expense of a trial...

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#102 2018-11-04 18:14:26

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President Donald Trump has repeatedly refused to accept any responsibility for inciting violence in American communities, 'No Blame'? ABC News finds 17 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats or alleged assaults with rhetoric as seen as the potential source of inspiration for some citizens acting on bigoted beliefs.

Starting in AUGUST 19, 2015 as a candidate Trump has been the voice to which 17 criminal cases where Trump's name was invoked in direct connection with violent acts, threats of violence, or allegations of assault. These 17 cases are mostly white men, as young as teenagers and as old as 68, while the victims represent an array of minority groups — African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims and gay men.
Each voicing that Trump told me to do it that I only followed what Trump says that he does...

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#103 2018-11-05 05:55:17

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Trump may or may not be the arsonist, but he is culpable in that he is at least fanning the flames. That goes for his analogues around the world (Britain, Brazil, Sweden, France, Germany, Israel etc etc.)

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#104 2018-11-05 10:21:20

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Most states have laws against "incitement to riot" or similar.  As usual,  the rich and powerful are not called to account for what they say.  Money talks,  way too loudly.  Ordinary folks get sent to jail for this. 

As for arming targets,  there are perfectly-good reasons to have gun free zones.  What has been forgotten for about a century is that once you declare a gun-free zone,  you are obligated to adequately defend it.  We don't defend them adequately,  which is why these zones have become sitting-duck targets that draw crazies with guns and bombs,  and terrorists with guns and bombs.

Crazies legally getting guns is a far bigger leak in our current laws than any gun show exception ever could be.  It's based on a court committing a crazy to an institution,  as a go/no-go item.  That's a money-maker for lawyers and judges,  so they don't want it changed by any sort of "red flag" approaches.  Follow the money. 

Most of the rest of "the usual" gun control ideas pale into insignificance,  compared to the potential effects of properly dealing with (1) undefended gun-free zones,  and (2) crazies legally getting guns.  Politically inconvenient,  but fact.

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#105 2018-11-05 18:22:26

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Not the cause of the mass shootings or the crazy inciting of the actions but some will question the right to conceal.

Supreme Court turns away challenge to California gun control

I think the issues is one that only those that should have it concealed need to be minimized and all others do need to display it out in the open with all proper safety devices used.

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#106 2018-11-08 19:28:01

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Another senseless gun attack. Thousand Oaks shooting leaves 13 people dead, including gunman, and 18 injured.

Thousand Oaks Bar Shooting

A hooded gunman dressed in black reportedly tossed smoke bombs into a Thousand Oaks country dance bar and opened fire, killing 12 people, including Ventura County Sheriff's ...
The Thousand Oaks shooting is the eighth mass shooting in the U.S. this year in which four or more victims died.
A former U.S. Marine machine gunner who may have suffered from post-traumatic stress was said to have been cleared of any issue recently.

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#107 2018-11-08 20:35:00

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We should post "No Murder Zone" signs everywhere.  That should prevent people from committing murder.  If anyone else is cognizant of the absurdity of that idea, then maybe you understand the problem.  If not, keep extolling the virtue of disarming more victims.  It's worked so well thus far.  Incidentally, the criminals and the crazies don't care about signage and virtue signaling.

California recently passed laws that prevent their citizens from carrying openly or concealed in public.  That's what the challenge to the law is actually about.  Their citizens have no legal means to defend themselves in public using a firearm because they're prevented by law from carrying a firearm openly or concealed.

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#108 2018-11-08 20:43:10

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The criminals, those mentally insane do not even care about others that are carrying guns and sure as well are not concerned about few guards, the police our what the out come will be....

Its still all breaks down to mental health and control of emotions....

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#109 2018-11-08 21:56:15

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SpaceNut,

It's not a matter of what criminal or criminally insane people care about.  This is not about anyone's feelings.  If everyone around the criminals has equivalent means to defend themselves against acts of violence as criminals have means to commit acts of violence, whether or not they choose to act out in a violent manner has little bearing on the ability of those around them to stop a criminal assault with equivalent force.

The all but non-existent mental health care system in our country is well and truly broken.  It's past time to remedy that, but we'll have to drag members of both political parties kicking and screaming to the negotiating table for them to actually pass legislation that adequately addresses mental health care.  Anyone that a court adjudicates is a threat to themselves or others, after appropriate psychiatric evaluation, should not have weapons of any kind.

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#110 2018-11-11 16:36:28

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Even up here in little towns in NH We are not immune to guns violence. There is currently an active shooter that is pinned down in the woods between the local Walmart and a Tractor supply store along Rt11 heading north.

Several officers are still arriving to the scene, ya I did observe this. It is unknown if there are any casualities but it appears that the person had gone in and out of the walmart store only to flee on foot into the woods. Ongoing past 2 plus hours already. Fist referenced on Facebook of the wifes and friends which she keeps in touch with.

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#111 2018-11-12 10:03:51

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Update:

As of last night they were intensifying the effort to capture 27-year-old Christopher L. Thomas. Where a manhunt that began Sunday forced the evacuation and closure of Walmart, Market Basket and other Route 11 area businesses. The man, armed with a rifle, was asked to leave Walmart by its security and after a verbal confrontation to bare arms fled, disappearing into the woods.

Just now in

Armed suspect in custody

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#112 2018-11-12 21:33:47

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I have heard that posting guards with guns at any place will keep from having the massacres that have been happening. So what do you say when Black security guard is killed by police

Jemel Roberson, a legally armed security guard at a Chicago-area bar, was killed Sunday by an officer as he held down a gunman at his workplace. Jemel Roberson had apprehended an armed suspect outside the bar when at least one Midlothian police officer, responding to a report about gunfire, shot him. The security guard’s death shows that black men aren’t allowed to be the good guy with a gun.

I guess that its shot first and ask questions if they survive....

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