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#426 2018-07-28 03:20:43

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Re: The Real Mars

Not much today, but at least we are getting a better look at the tree stump/rock.

It appears to be a statue of a tall gray, with a plant growing out the top of his head, and surrounded by small shrubs, (CP gave off strong green colors). Martian park perhaps? With a hint of distant silver buildings on the left.

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Lower image, (left) is a swirling plant, and a particularly nasty thunderstorm, the torrential or heavy rain gives that away.

Right image shows a distant city, or some silver buildings, either way the rover has nothing like this.

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#427 2018-07-30 03:32:05

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Probably the best example of a tree l have seen, (JPL tends to slack off a little when it can be dismissed as a shadow) but when several rocks show the same item, (as was the case with the tree stump/statue one, then it isn't).

Top image, the green thing top, left is probably the same tree, but distorted.

The rest, looks like the edge of a lake, with blue mountains in the background, white sand and green areas or islands.

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Another real Mars image, a forest, possibly a lake and overcast sky with hints of blue showing through. And if the curly plants l saw previously are ferns, then this area isn't dry but semi tropical.

Unless the large dark cloud and rain is rare?

Certainly makes the dry, dead rock idea look silly.

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#428 2018-08-01 04:41:11

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Re: The Real Mars

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The green thing is definitely a plant, probably lichen on this rock, strong grass green on the CP.

Lower image is this weird thing, that l thought was a bridge, maybe it is, but it has a lot of green, so maybe abandoned; and the gray face depiction in the middle makes this a structure of some kind.

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This looks nothing like the rover, probably a lookout building of some kind, or restaurant.

These appear to be more Martian bridges.

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These have to be roads, and yep NASA blurred part of it.

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#429 2018-08-03 04:20:59

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Another real mars image with blue sky, colored clouds as the sun is setting and unmistakable green on the nearest hills.

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Top image is likely a bridge, middle plants with the setting sun behind and blue mountains, (the CP shows yellow/green or whetever these things are, they are on the dead side), etc

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Last one, more plants, (the CP against the background is unmistakable.

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#430 2018-08-04 03:06:15

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Martian sun is setting, and the top image looks like a setting sun, over some tree's and a lake, (like previous images). The green blobs, right are plants, cp shows strong isolated green color.

Although the lower ones only seems to show a setting sun over a mountain with some tree's on the right, (CP shows green).

NASA must be fiddling around with the images again?

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This is likely a house, (the water runoff, and possible shutters over the window tend to give it away).

Lower images, top is probably what the landscape originally looks like, with dirt roads everywhere,and the lower is what it looks like after NASA got to it.

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#431 2018-08-06 06:19:08

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Nothing much today...

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Top image martian house, that might even have smoke coming from part of it. Although a fireplace with a culture 1000 years ahead of us?

And the lower one, with the rover on the left, some traces of green in the middle, (CP) and the sunset poking through martain rain-clouds.

And distant purple mountains.

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#432 2018-08-08 04:17:24

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Ok, found another seriously cool image, but the best til last. smile

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The sun is still setting over the green martian landscape, with traces of mist or fog, (and the stuff that looks like rainclouds shows a strong green so a plant of some kind).

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This is a martian sunset, orange/yellow/green and blue!

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And another look at the sunset, this time through some plants and glistening off the lake.

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Then this....overcast sky, purple/green mountains or hills and a lake on the left.

Mars is looking more and more like Scotland, and this is on the most barren or dryest area on Mars. Shudder to think what we would see if something landed in the greener areas.

I am quite convinced now that the Beagle probe accidentally landed near or in a forest, and they couldn't BS their way out of it visually, so had to say that it failed.

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#433 2018-08-11 03:56:32

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More overwhelming evidence that Mars does not have a blue sun/sky at sunset, (even the fake color ones on the left show blue sky/orange sun.

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The usual blue sky, green landscape and the occasional plant.

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I always like it when NASA gives me a very dark image, since it usually means that they are hiding something. smile

This is a rare panorama, showing, (top image, right arrow) green hills and lake we have previously seen, and lake, tree's on the left, (l have CP this, and the lake shows dark blue/gray.

The lower image, (which is a continuation of the top one, top left matches with lower right) shows the lake and green shoreline, obvious clouds, (confirming high water content in the atmosphere and the potential for rain) and possibly a structure on the left.

The evidence is stacking up that Mars, (currently at closest approach to Earth, and can be seen at sunset, orange dot) is M Class, or can sustain life.

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#434 2018-08-12 21:28:41

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Re: The Real Mars

Interesting - whether or not you believe the speculation...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH0iBXr9iGE

I think the object at 5:30 is particularly interesting.


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#435 2018-08-13 03:24:53

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louis wrote:

Interesting - whether or not you believe the speculation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH0iBXr9iGE

I think the object at 5:30 is particularly interesting.

Ah, no Louis, l have watched some of this guys video's and commented on some, but in this case l believe that this is one of the rovers wheels, being reflected back.

As l have shown below, some Mars rocks are very reflective, so caution is advised when posting stuff.


Found some great shots of concrete proof that Mars sunsets are Not, all blue, and also some rocks on Mars are very reflective.

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Top image shows the sun setting, and the mountain in this reflective rock.

Bottom image a pole of some kind.

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Top image shows these strange plant/tree things, (CP shows strong green), and lower one shows the sun setting, the white sun!

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Top one, more frons, or leaves, (CP clearly shows green) so either a palm or fern?

Bottom the usual in the background and green blobs in the foreground, (CP, indefinably plants).

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#436 2018-08-13 09:33:46

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Nonsense! A wheel reflection that just happens to match a wheel-shaped rock!! A non-starter in my opinion.

Tmcom wrote:
louis wrote:

Interesting - whether or not you believe the speculation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH0iBXr9iGE

I think the object at 5:30 is particularly interesting.

Ah, no Louis, l have watched some of this guys video's and commented on some, but in this case l believe that this is one of the rovers wheels, being reflected back.


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#437 2018-08-13 10:32:55

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Re: The Real Mars

louis wrote:

Nonsense! A wheel reflection that just happens to match a wheel-shaped rock!! A non-starter in my opinion.

Tmcom wrote:
louis wrote:

Interesting - whether or not you believe the speculation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH0iBXr9iGE

I think the object at 5:30 is particularly interesting.

Ah, no Louis, l have watched some of this guys video's and commented on some, but in this case l believe that this is one of the rovers wheels, being reflected back.


Looking at this "thing" I get the impression there is the very pointed head or face to the very left of the body.

If anyone knows the resource page for this image below, there maybe a stereo image which case should through light on it.

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#438 2018-08-13 22:30:59

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louis wrote:

Nonsense! A wheel reflection that just happens to match a wheel-shaped rock!! A non-starter in my opinion.

Tmcom wrote:
louis wrote:

Interesting - whether or not you believe the speculation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH0iBXr9iGE

I think the object at 5:30 is particularly interesting.

Ah, no Louis, l have watched some of this guys video's and commented on some, but in this case l believe that this is one of the rovers wheels, being reflected back.

No, louis it is not a wheel shaped rock, the right hand side makes that obvious, and the light showing through some of the rectangular slits on the wheel, is the reason why that l consider this to be part of the rover.

This guy does uncover some good material occasionally, but he also keeps making the mistake of seeing a reflection as an anomaly.

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#439 2018-08-14 04:26:26

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Nope. It's angled away, it's a dusty environment. Perhaps you can tell us the distance as well and height of the image because you would need to know that to judge whether it could possibly be a reflection?  Or to put it another way, if that is a reflection of the Rover's wheel then you can't analyse any photo because anything could be a reflection of anything and/or the rover according to your method of analysis.

Tmcom wrote:
louis wrote:

Nonsense! A wheel reflection that just happens to match a wheel-shaped rock!! A non-starter in my opinion.

Tmcom wrote:

Ah, no Louis, l have watched some of this guys video's and commented on some, but in this case l believe that this is one of the rovers wheels, being reflected back.

No, louis it is not a wheel shaped rock, the right hand side makes that obvious, and the light showing through some of the rectangular slits on the wheel, is the reason why that l consider this to be part of the rover.

This guy does uncover some good material occasionally, but he also keeps making the mistake of seeing a reflection as an anomaly.

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#440 2018-08-14 05:19:49

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louis]Nope. It's angled away, it's a dusty environment. Perhaps you can tell us the distance as well and height of the image because you would need to know that to judge whether it could possibly be a reflection?  Or to put it another way, if that is a reflection of the Rover's wheel then you can't analyse any photo because anything could be a reflection of anything and/or the rover according to your method of analysis.

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True, probably 5 to 10 metres.

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The red circled image was one l found years ago, and after some time l realized that it was the rovers wheel, not a generator or something else.

Source, video posted first post here.

And true when l see something artificial l have to make sure that it isn't the rover.

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#441 2018-08-14 14:09:15

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Referencing a completely different artefact isn't making your claim more persuasive, less so I'd say.

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louis]Nope. It's angled away, it's a dusty environment. Perhaps you can tell us the distance as well and height of the image because you would need to know that to judge whether it could possibly be a reflection?  Or to put it another way, if that is a reflection of the Rover's wheel then you can't analyse any photo because anything could be a reflection of anything and/or the rover according to your method of analysis.

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True, probably 5 to 10 metres.

https://i.imgur.com/yWn7lhH.jpg

The red circled image was one l found years ago, and after some time l realized that it was the rovers wheel, not a generator or something else.

Source, video posted first post here.

And true when l see something artificial l have to make sure that it isn't the rover.

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#442 2018-08-15 03:06:22

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More plants. smile

Top one, shows a blue sky/clouds and an obvious fern, or other plant with large leaves. CP shows strong green, and this relatively large plant is growing on a rock, which means Mars must have relatively constant rainfall, (unlikely an underground spring would supply this with enough water).

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Lower image more plants, the CP shows a usually strong green.

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#443 2018-08-17 03:50:15

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Another panorama, showing rain, dense rain clouds, blue mountains and green landscape.

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If this was on earth we would immediately think, ok, distant thunderstorm and heavy rain on a flat landscape, which add's a lot of evidence to Mars being relatively wet at its equator, (more or less where the rover is).

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#444 2018-08-17 17:21:35

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How are you determining these "colours"?  Colour picker software is notoriously inaccurate.

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Another panorama, showing rain, dense rain clouds, blue mountains and green landscape.

https://i.imgur.com/z99fPfE.jpg

If this was on earth we would immediately think, ok, distant thunderstorm and heavy rain on a flat landscape, which add's a lot of evidence to Mars being relatively wet at its equator, (more or less where the rover is).

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#445 2018-08-17 19:10:42

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Re: The Real Mars

Here something that was unexpected...
NASA finally figured out what this ‘foreign object’ on Mars actually is with NASA’s Curiosity rover team calling it the “Pettegrove Point Foreign Object Debris,”

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#446 2018-08-17 22:01:08

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louis wrote:

How are you determining these "colours"?  Colour picker software is notoriously inaccurate.

Tmcom wrote:

Another panorama, showing rain, dense rain clouds, blue mountains and green landscape.

https://i.imgur.com/z99fPfE.jpg

If this was on earth we would immediately think, ok, distant thunderstorm and heavy rain on a flat landscape, which add's a lot of evidence to Mars being relatively wet at its equator, (more or less where the rover is).

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I use the color picker on Photoshop CS2, and this plant clearly shows greens across its surface, (l clicked on it several times) and also clicked around it, to make sure the green was isolated, (CP showed blue/blue gray around this or clouds).

So it isn't notoriously inaccurate, just as much as the ESA image of Mars with all of the green stuff up top, isn't inaccurate. Or Google Earth/mars images of green vegetation isn't inaccurate.

SpaceNut wrote:

Here something that was unexpected...
NASA finally figured out what this ‘foreign object’ on Mars actually is with NASA’s Curiosity rover team calling it the “Pettegrove Point Foreign Object Debris,”

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I tend to agree with them.

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#447 2018-08-18 03:16:58

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Don't know what this is, but the green stuff are plants.

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This, the top image, black, middle blob is the rover, (you can just see its legs) and the green thing on the left is another reflective rock showing the rover.

Middle image we get a closer look at one of these giant leaves. And considering that l have seen many examples of twisted plants, l would say that this is a fern branch.

The last one shows more clouds or water laden ones.

Which means, that this part of Mars is semi tropical and has frequent heavy rainfall, or frequent rainfall.

I don't know a lot about ferns, only that they need a lot of moisture and would be dead if grown in a desert.

I should find better examples further on, but would bet that the dominant low, lying plants for this area are ferns.

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#448 2018-08-19 10:45:44

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I thought that l should take a look at all Viking images, for any reflective ones, (at least l don't have to mess with color correcting these).

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Top/left shows part of the modules robotic arm. Top/right shows another one of these odd concave rocks, showing the top part of Viking.

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The rock on the right, (which is in the left of the actual image) clearly shows moss or Lichen, and the CP gives off yellow green to grass green.

Left/top another possible storm cloud, and either moss/Lichen on a distant rock, or a large amount of green vegetation, etc in the distance, with maybe a plant or two, but l cannot be sure.

Bottom image more rainclouds, and blue mountains.

This pretty much sums up why NASA got spooked and red filtered them since then. They read the 1957 report warning about sudden exposure to extraterrestrial life outside of Earth would create mass panic, sent a probe to Mars expecting nothing and they find green moss/Lichen on most of the rocks, blue hills and the occasional rain cloud, and blue sky and possibly even a plant or two.

And the frost doens't look like it is bubbling away, more like evaporating off the rocks, because of the sun rising.

I laugh when l get the usual response elsewhere, but l cannot tell them any different, evidence means nothing to the .....those types.

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#449 2018-08-20 05:04:22

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Ok, this is a biggie today, but as always l will lead up to it. smile

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Left and bottom images show recent water flows, and passing storm clouds. Right shows plants that seem to blurr with the distance, like there is mist or rain. And the bottom rock, appears to be very shiny, like it was cleaned.

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Next one more indications of a recent shower, and possibly a small animals footprint, displacing the sand. Bottom maybe a road, bridge and town.

Then we come to the big one, or concrete proof that NASA are lying and Mars is Earthlike, (l still cannot believe that they missed this, especially when it is close up).

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Ok, first off is Curiosity's wheel, that looks surprisingly clean.

And now for the big one, obviously if this area had recent rain, you would expect water droplet's to be present on the rover, which if true would kill the air pressure idea, and kill Mars being devoid of life, and so forth. Here you go..... smile

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And they took another...

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I will look up images without the water droplets, but can gurantee that l won't find them on similar images.

Yep, Mars Has Rain!

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#450 2018-08-20 06:34:40

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This was from before the rain, and yep, no drops.

In the thin air of Mars, water easily boils. Still, previous research has unearthed ample evidence that Mars was once covered in water, with features resembling dry riverbeds and minerals that could have formed only in the presence of water. This suggests that the Martian atmosphere was once much thicker than it is today, with seas that could have supported life billions of years ago.

https://www.space.com/36277-mars-thick- … space.html

So according to NASA water easily boils away, apparently Harry Potter must have showed up, and swung his wand about to form these, which according the NASA are IMPOSSIBLE!

This is what is called a Slam Dunk, if these formed overnight, (frost, like we saw in the Viking images) then they would melt and supposedly boil away, or if it had rained and NASA missed these, (some fed up kid at JPL, probably moved the rover) then since they came from pure water from the sky, would not exist.

No way, to squirm around this one, NASA is lying about air pressure and temperature ranges, as well as plant life, and water flowing freely on Mars surface and rain clouds and so forth.

Thankyou.  smile


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