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#101 2018-07-12 04:09:04

elderflower
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Re: Healthcare for all, not Trump or Obama care

What frequent power cuts are those, Terraformer? How many have you had this year? How long did they last? I can recall only one this year, where I live, and that was reconnected in a couple of hours. I am not a top priority customer.
Despite the lack of investment in recent years the UK still has one of the world's best power grids.

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#102 2018-07-12 06:58:05

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It was a reference to the 70s. Hence the use of the term British socialism.

The British power companies still cut people off for not paying, though. I don't know if there is any country that has both a functioning power grid and doesn't expect people to pay for their electricity.


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#103 2018-07-12 17:55:30

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Re: Healthcare for all, not Trump or Obama care

Power can be a critical thing even when healthy let alone when one is so ill. Even solar if no batteries would have not helped once the sun went down.

TV commercials have been appearing for the cut rate plans which not much information is forth coming yet as its still early for the renew season.

Funding for the Obamacare connection advertising have been dropping as its being stripped away and is more up to the states to continue to inform the public.

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#104 2018-07-15 08:34:59

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Special Report: Starting in Arkansas, Trump-era Medicaid rules alter healthcare landscape

Gregory Tyrone Bryant left his last stable job at a meatpacking factory to fight a cocaine addiction eight years ago. When he returned to the workforce a year later, his options were limited: mostly temporary jobs without healthcare benefits.

Bryant, 48, had been out of work again for more than a year until late last month, when he got hired as a janitor in his local school district. On a 90-day probation period, he hopes the job will turn into full-time work. He had been living off a monthly short-term disability check from his last job assembling rear axles for Toyota cars.

Since 2014, he’s relied on medical coverage offered under Arkansas’ expanded Medicaid program for low-income households. It proved essential last June when he needed surgery to replace his right knee, and covers costly prescriptions for acid reflux and high blood pressure medicines.

If his job doesn’t pan out, his unemployment will pose a new threat to his healthcare coverage.

In June, Arkansas became the first U.S. state to require that many able-bodied Medicaid recipients do some combination of work, volunteer, job training or schooling a minimum of 80 hours each month to keep their benefits, a sweeping shift in healthcare rules that will soon be followed by Indiana and New Hampshire. Another eight states await approval from the Trump administration for similar work requirements...

This is the poverty line guidlines chart for the states which are not the same as the federal guidline numbers.

The goal, they say, is to encourage healthier residents to return to the employment track, or seek better jobs that could eventually bring benefits.

There are not that many to go back even if they want to work the jobs available for them are not there to qualify for any real change in medical care insurance based on income.

Kentucky alone, nearly 100,000 more people could be eliminated from Medicaid within five years than without the new measures, state estimates

Kentuckians who do not work 80 hours in any one month or fail to pay new premiums will be locked out for six months; beneficiaries could take a health or financial literacy course to reactivate coverage.

In Arkansas, those who fail to meet the work requirements for any three months will be locked out of health insurance for the remainder of the year.

Not any reason to change if you lose the coverage that is needed to stay even somewhat healthy.

Most states that have submitted proposals will require adult beneficiaries who are not disabled, pregnant or elderly to engage in some combination of work, volunteer, job training or school opportunities for at least 80 hours a month – or lose their benefits.

Such requirements create new hurdles to healthcare businesses in states that adopt them. Those businesses, including health insurers, hospitals and community clinics, say they’re moving to minimize the number of people who could lose their insurance.

Wow so being disabled is now nothing for being abled to work.

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#105 2018-07-29 23:07:02

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Re: Healthcare for all, not Trump or Obama care

US Senator Bernie Sanders took some American doctors to Canada to see a universal health care system up close. YouTube video, 3 minutes 22 seconds.
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Can't Go Home: Americans In Canada Share Healthcare Stories. 6:48
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Health Care: U.S. vs. Canada
Sen. Bernie Sanders asked a panel of experts to contrast the United States health care system with single-payer models throughout the world.
Date: 12 Mar 2014. Before the last Canadian federal election, references to Canada's Prime Minister is the past one.
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#106 2018-07-30 16:50:55

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Gee an Insurance that can not make false claims for its charged premium in that it was collecting for those that did not have any and a hospital that was inflating the charges for care that were as well being claimed as amounts that were also with uninsured peoples use of there facility. Claimed rate fees for in network insurance use of the hospital or doctors with a hospital or doctor that still wants to charge you the overage amounts....

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#107 2018-07-30 18:33:35

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Looks like we have a number for the cost..
Study: 'Medicare for all' projected to cost $32.6 trillion over 10 years, according to a study by a university-based libertarian policy center.

All U.S. residents would be covered with no copays and deductibles for medical services. The insurance industry would be relegated to a minor role.

So what is that number?

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#108 2018-09-18 20:01:06

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Talk about collusion Behind your rising health care bills: Secret hospital deals that squelch competition

Last year, Cigna Corp. and the New York hospital system Northwell Health discussed developing an insurance plan that would offer low-cost coverage by excluding some other health-care providers, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

The actions were blocked rather than looking to be fore the people best interest....

Dominant hospital systems use an array of secret contract terms to protect their turf and block efforts to curb health-care costs. As part of these deals, hospitals can demand insurers include them in every plan and discourage use of less-expensive rivals. Other terms allow hospitals to mask prices from consumers, limit audits of claims, add extra fees and block efforts to exclude health-care providers based on quality or cost.

So much for fixed price and of it being known before you go to get service....

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#109 2018-10-07 09:43:34

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The vaccine is Gardasil 9, made by Merck, and had been previously approved for minors and people up to age 26. The HPV vaccine, which prevents cervical cancer and other malignancies, is now approved for men and women from 27 to 45-years-old, the Food and Drug Administration said on Friday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/heal … ancer.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati … story.html

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#110 2018-10-10 19:41:14

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If you work as an employee in the United States, you must pay social security and Medicare taxes in most cases. Your payments of these taxes contribute to your coverage under the U.S. social security system. Your employer deducts these taxes from each wage payment. The Medicare Hospital Insurance Tax "Flat rate" means that everyone pays that same 2.9 percent, regardless of how much they earn. But some high-income taxpayers must also pay extra Medicare taxes over and above this 2.9 percent.  It applies only to earned income, which is wages you are paid by an employer, plus tips. You're responsible for 1.45% of the tax, and it's deducted automatically from your paycheck. Your employer pays the other 1.45%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)

https://www.medicare.gov/your-medicare-costs

Medicare Part A, Part B, Part C, and Part D costs for monthly premiums, deductibles, penalties, copayments, and coinsurance.

https://www.medicare.gov/your-medicare- … t-a-glance

I am sure those that have retired can tell about this program more than I can.

Of course there is a plan being floated by the democrats which Trump is saying its socialism. When its about getting everyone to a paid teir level for the care that they can recieve at that level at a reasonable cost.

Trump opposes Democrats' Medicare for All plan in USA Today op-ed

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/10/65624998 … re-for-all

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#111 2018-10-10 20:12:19

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I developed this plan 10 years ago, but I have refined it since then.   It is invincibly good. 

https://mic.com/articles/13057/universa … retirement

Medicare is not only unConstitutional, but it is also bureaucratic, inefficient, incapable of innovating, lowering cost or improving efficiency.

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#112 2018-10-11 18:57:02

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They tried to kill it because it made you purchase something that you claim to not want but the reality was when healthy you do not need it but when you are sick its the difference between getting what wrong fixed...
Premiums for most popular Obamacare plan will drop next year

The average premium for the second-lowest-cost plans under the Affordable Care Act will decline by 1.5 percent to $406 a month in 2019.

It seems that the insurance companies are finally catching on....stop gouging

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#113 2018-10-18 16:47:07

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The GOP is still trying to kill Obamacare.... McConnell says Senate Republicans might revisit Obamacare repeal

Republicans could try again to repeal Obamacare if they win enough seats in U.S. elections next month, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said on Wednesday, calling a failed 2017 push to repeal the healthcare law a "disappointment."

We're not satisfied with the way Obamacare is working.

About 20 million Americans have received health insurance coverage through the program, a landmark legislative achievement for Obama and Democrats.

How so?

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#114 2018-10-21 09:10:37

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Healthcare just took a hit with this HealthCare.gov system hack leaves 75,000 individuals exposed

A hack was detected earlier this month in a government computer system that works alongside HealthCare.gov, exposing the personal information of approximately 75,000 people, according to the agency in charge of the portal.

When asked if the source of the hacking had been identified and if the system was in a good place ahead of the sign-up season beginning in November for coverage under the Affordable Care Act, the representative could not answer due to it being an active federal law enforcement investigation.

"We are working to identify the individuals potentially impacted as quickly as possible so that we can notify them and provide resources such as credit protection."

The offer of protection is junk as the time period is to short....

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#115 2018-10-21 09:11:23

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Belter wrote:

The ACA is entirely unConstitutional.  Just a reminder.

And if Putin caused Trump to win, thank you Mr Putin.

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#116 2018-10-21 09:12:46

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Affordable Care Act is Constitutional. In a landmark case for the healthcare industry, the Supreme Court ruled today that the “individual mandate” provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), colloquially known as “Obamacare,” were indeed constitutional. As such, ACA was largely upheld by the Court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitut … e_Care_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurance

Granted these are from Austrailia but they are pretty much universal for all nations...
http://www.insurancecouncil.com.au/for- … -insurance

Aircraft
    Bond
    Construction
    Consumer Credit
    Compulsory Third Party Insurance (CTP)
    Cyber Risk
    Defamation
    Engineering
    Extended Warranty
    Farm, Crop and Livestock
    General Property, Home and Contents
    Home Warranty and Lenders Mortgage
    Pet Insurance
    Product Recall
    Professional Indemnity
    Public and Products Liability
    Strata
    Travel
    Marine Insurance
    Medical Indemnity Insurance
    Motor Vechicle
    Workers' Compensation

The states can require any and all of these and one step up for federal as well...
Insurance is Insurance for some its never going to pay as these are pay in systems, sure you can change companies but they are all working to get you money and to not pay it out....

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#117 2018-10-21 09:23:29

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Belter wrote:

Yeah, and the Founders got quite the laugh out of that.   Like "WTF, did we give birth to retards or something?" 

The Power to Tax clause clearly outlaws taxes that are meant to punish or coerce the population and these have always been ruled unConstitutional in the past.   They didn't suddenly become "constitutional" or my new word "SCOTUStutional".

The taxation for not getting insurance was struck done with regards tot the IRS but its the cost that is out of wack and is still operating under the old system...

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40846.pdf
The United States Constitution does not set forth an explicit right to health care, and the Supreme Court has never interpreted the Constitution as guaranteeing a right to health care services from the government for those who cannot afford it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_People

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Healthcare is under general welfare as in wellness....

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#118 2018-10-21 11:13:33

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Campaigning messages for state votes have come from all sides.. Bernie Sanders pushes health-centric message in Iowa as voters sound off on potential 2020 bid

Backing party candidates to get votes....

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#119 2018-10-21 15:56:12

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This is what health advances are about...
New immunotherapy drug showing promise for aggressive type of breast cancer to test the immunotherapy drug Tecentriq. How new drug helps the immune system recognize the cancer.

The cost for Tecentriq intravenous solution (1200 mg/20 mL) is around $9,143 for a supply of 20 milliliters, depending on the pharmacy you visit. Prices are for cash paying customers only and are not valid with insurance plans.

healthcare gone wrong

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#120 2018-10-21 16:36:08

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Then there is the disbelief that imunization are good for you.

Measles outbreak raging in Europe could be brought to U.S., doctors warn; “People are dying from measles. This was unbelievable five or 10 years ago.”

The European experience may offer a window on how quickly things can go awry when parents choose not to vaccinate their children, doctors caution.

Because measles is relatively rare in the U.S., many Americans have no idea of the disease's frightening impact and its stunning contagiousness.

Then again we are being hit with a desease that has the effects to one that we have conquered in Polio.
Why is it so hard to figure out this polio-like illness hitting kids? Many viruses can cause neurological damage, and they often don't leave tracks.
The illness, called acute flaccid myelitis..

The chief suspect for causing AFM was a virus called EV-D68 is an enterovirus, a distant relative of the poliovirus. But there are many enteroviruses, and they usually cause symptoms similar to the common cold, as do rhinoviruses, adenoviruses and many other viruses.

The trouble is that more than one virus is present in the blood stream to be able to prove which one is the cause....

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#121 2018-10-21 17:10:56

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The Preamble to the Constitution is part of the Constitution like a Preface is part of a story.   It delegates absolutely zero power whatsoever.

Good lord, the lack of education in public schools these days.....

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#122 2018-10-28 18:25:16

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What Obamacare health insurance costs in every state

2017 & 2018 numbers without any disclaimer as to what that number represents

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#123 2018-10-28 22:06:19

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Healthcare seems to be slow to react to what is happening in the states recently as we have a polio-like virus and now another that is killing as well.

The CDC reports 127 cases of a rare but devastating polio-like virus, partially paralyzing hundreds of children in 22 states. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been investigating more than 360 possible cases acute flaccid myelitis (AFM).

Mysterious Polio-like Illness Paralyzing U.S. Children


9th child dies from adenovirus outbreak at New Jersey facility

There have been 25 cases associated with the outbreak. The infections can affect the tissue linings of the respiratory tract, eyes, intestines, urinary tract and nervous system, causing illnesses ranging from a cold to bronchitis to pneumonia to pink eye.

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#124 2018-10-29 04:19:09

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I don't know of any countries that would react faster. Certainly not the UK.


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