A warning from Richard Dawkins

Palomar7 · 2018-03-22 17:44:49

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/2449b900-c … warns.html

Despite my own exceptionally bad experiences with Christianity (never again, thank you), I agree with Dawkins (haven't followed him closely ever, but know enough of the man that this statement surprised me).

Don't celebrate the (alleged) demise of Christianity in Europe for the reasons he stated.

Which isn't to say all folks of that other religion are bad; they aren't. I've worked with adherents to that religion. But there are very real and frightening current troubles within the religion itself, which Christianity has pretty much resolved.

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Void · 2018-03-22 19:06:24

Palomar7

Perhaps I am a fool. Still, this reference then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Civilizations_

You might read that book by David P. Goldman, a Jew.

Interesting to me.

For the most part if I recall it reading it some time ago makes me fuzzy.

Greek Fall
Roman Fall
Arab deeply afraid of a fall, and in some cases so desperate that they do not obey rules of decency.

They are dangerous because they are a failing culture in the light of the west.

Why the Europeans are so stupid as to invite them in demonstrates their own arrogance and lack of understanding.

Actually: https://www.amazon.com/How-Civilization … B005O2PMYI

I did not say that, his book does.

One important point is that up until the 13th century Islam had a rational branch, but then it died.

The Islamic version of god according to D.P. Goldman now is irrational. A Muslim according to him finds it easier to become an atheist, than a Christian. That is probably because an atheist sees god as an irrational idea. If David P. Goldman is right then the Islamic vision of god is irrational. According to Goldman, their god could order them to worship idols at any time, and then that is how it should be then.

In their vision the god can recreate reality in every moment as the god wishes. Chaos. The Jewish and Christian god more created a universe and chooses to subject it goodness to the rules that the god established.

While many of them are very wise, and moral, it is my opinion that their worst members reveal that they desire for a lust in the afterlife when they seek a reward of virgins there. They do not have an afterlife heaven I am told, rather an afterlife paradise.

But I could be misinformed.

I am only giving you the clues I puzzle over myself about the situation. I do not claim it to be authority.

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louis · 2018-03-22 19:29:44

Dawkins has been brave in saying this. Who knows how many dinner party invitations, honours, awards and funtime happenings he has foregone as a result? Also, he has made himself a target in a Theo Van Gogh sort of way. So I honour the guy for being brave.

On the other hand, he has been slow to the table...what was at stake was at least clear back when Rushdie was sentenced to death by the Ayatollahs for writing a book (and that sentence was backed by a huge proportion of UK Muslims). He chose to ignore the issue for 30 years. But at least he has ended up making the right points. We don't have to care about religion, but we do have to care about how it impacts on us even if we are non-religious.

Palomar7 wrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/2449b900-c … warns.html
Despite my own exceptionally bad experiences with Christianity (never again, thank you), I agree with Dawkins (haven't followed him closely ever, but know enough of the man that this statement surprised me).
Don't celebrate the (alleged) demise of Christianity in Europe for the reasons he stated.
Which isn't to say all folks of that other religion are bad; they aren't. I've worked with adherents to that religion. But there are very real and frightening current troubles within the religion itself, which Christianity has pretty much resolved.

elderflower · 2018-03-23 04:03:24

It's not just religion. Any ideology can be perverted by nasty leaders. Some are invented by nasty people, others by well meaning headcases, and are perverse from the start. The main difference is that religions incorporate non physical beings at their cores, whereas ideologies use other concepts like "the nation", or "the workers", or "the King". They all seem to move to excluding and demonising people who are not adherents( Jews, Capitalists, Republicans, Aristocrats, Foreigners). These people are blamed for whatever goes wrong or what the leader doesn't like, and are abused and often killed.

louis · 2018-03-23 06:38:13

Indeed - social Darwinism was (is) also an appalling creed.

elderflower wrote:

It's not just religion. Any ideology can be perverted by nasty leaders. Some are invented by nasty people, others by well meaning headcases, and are perverse from the start. The main difference is that religions incorporate non physical beings at their cores, whereas ideologies use other concepts like "the nation", or "the workers", or "the King". They all seem to move to excluding and demonising people who are not adherents( Jews, Capitalists, Republicans, Aristocrats, Foreigners). These people are blamed for whatever goes wrong or what the leader doesn't like, and are abused and often killed.

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