LENR/cold fusion looks real and Japan is leading the way

louis · 2018-01-11 11:15:24

A very strong scientific confirmation that LENR/cold fusion excess energy production is for real...appears to have been confirmed independently by several teams (the organisations involved were Technova Inc., Nissan Motors Co., Kyushu University, Tohoku University, Nagoya University and Kobe University).

http://e-catworld.com/2018/01/10/resear … -hydrogen/

Moreover following on this important confirmation, the Japanese government new technology organisation, NEDO, has approved an LENR research programme. Japan, with its lack of indigenous energy resources and its unfortunate experiences with nuclear fission, is of course highly motivated in this area of technology.

Of course this sort of energy technology would be a great facilitator of Mars colonisation if it proves feasible to create an efficient energy production machine.

SpaceNut · 2018-01-11 18:46:36

Used nano-metal composite samples were PS ( Pd-SiO2 ） -type ones and CNS(Cu-Ni-SiO2)-type ones, fabricated by wet-methods, as well as PNZ （ Pd-Ni-Zr ） -type ones and CNZ （ Cu-Ni-Zr ） -type ones, fabricated by melt-spinning and oxidation method. Excess-power reduction was made by comparing foreground runs with blank (using ZrO2 or silica) calorimetry calibration runs. No convincing excess power data have been seen at elevated temperatures (over 100 ℃) , for PS-type mono-Pd nano-particle samples.
With 120g samples, they sustained 10-24W excess for a month at 300C. Results were confirmed at two different labs. If it scales, that works out to 83-200 W/Kg. At 200 W/Kg, a 100 Kg pack (replacing a battery) would deliver up to 20 KW, which is about the power needed to drive a Tesla on flat ground at 65 MPH.

This is still the transmutation of isotopic elements started in motion to change by heat input and then allowed to continue until exhausted.....

louis · 2018-01-11 18:58:21

As I understand it, LENR/cold fusion is nearly always reported as involving some transmutation.

SpaceNut wrote:

Used nano-metal composite samples were PS ( Pd-SiO2 ） -type ones and CNS(Cu-Ni-SiO2)-type ones, fabricated by wet-methods, as well as PNZ （ Pd-Ni-Zr ） -type ones and CNZ （ Cu-Ni-Zr ） -type ones, fabricated by melt-spinning and oxidation method. Excess-power reduction was made by comparing foreground runs with blank (using ZrO2 or silica) calorimetry calibration runs. No convincing excess power data have been seen at elevated temperatures (over 100 ℃) , for PS-type mono-Pd nano-particle samples.
With 120g samples, they sustained 10-24W excess for a month at 300C. Results were confirmed at two different labs. If it scales, that works out to 83-200 W/Kg. At 200 W/Kg, a 100 Kg pack (replacing a battery) would deliver up to 20 KW, which is about the power needed to drive a Tesla on flat ground at 65 MPH.
This is still the transmutation of isotopic elements started in motion to change by heat input and then allowed to continue until exhausted.....

kbd512 · 2018-01-15 14:39:53

Louis,

We've known about these effects for decades, but with the same religious fervor that people believe in the pseudo-science of "climate change", they also believe in the pseudo-science that was poorly concocted to fail to "disprove" that "fusion" can happen without insane temperatures and pressures. This is what happens when politics and special interest money are mixed with science. The end product ignores results that disagree with current thinking, however flawed that ideation happens to be. Science is not consensus based. If 99 people believe the world is flat and 1 person believes the world is spherical, the 99 who thought the world flat are not "correct" based on consensus or any other appeal to authority that is not supported by all available evidence.

Stanford science is not real science. It's science for engineers. Anyone who fixates on the belief that something is "impossible" simply because all previous experiments produced a specific result is probably wrong. The "laws" of the universe are what they are, not what we believe they should be based on an experiment or even a plethora of experiments that produced a specific result as a function of how they were conducted and/or our own inability to comprehend what was happening. It pays to have an open mind about things and consider the possibility that the universe may not work the way we think it does in all conceivable scenarios. This is not the same thing as thinking the Earth is flat. Anything we don't completely comprehend should be rigorously investigated and judgement reserved after considerable review of available evidence. If we get 7 positive results and 3 negative results, then that's something worth investigating further. Experimental error is always a possibility, but there's just too much evidence behind this "cold fusion" phenomenon to simply ignore it all.

louis · 2018-01-15 15:34:21

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread … #post79545

I didn't know Nissan Motors were part of a religious sect.

kbd512 wrote:

Louis,
We've known about these effects for decades, but with the same religious fervor that people believe in the pseudo-science of "climate change", they also believe in the pseudo-science that was poorly concocted to fail to "disprove" that "fusion" can happen without insane temperatures and pressures. This is what happens when politics and special interest money are mixed with science. The end product ignores results that disagree with current thinking, however flawed that ideation happens to be. Science is not consensus based. If 99 people believe the world is flat and 1 person believes the world is spherical, the 99 who thought the world flat are not "correct" based on consensus or any other appeal to authority that is not supported by all available evidence.
Stanford science is not real science. It's science for engineers. Anyone who fixates on the belief that something is "impossible" simply because all previous experiments produced a specific result is probably wrong. The "laws" of the universe are what they are, not what we believe they should be based on an experiment or even a plethora of experiments that produced a specific result as a function of how they were conducted and/or our own inability to comprehend what was happening. It pays to have an open mind about things and consider the possibility that the universe may not work the way we think it does in all conceivable scenarios. This is not the same thing as thinking the Earth is flat. Anything we don't completely comprehend should be rigorously investigated and judgement reserved after considerable review of available evidence. If we get 7 positive results and 3 negative results, then that's something worth investigating further. Experimental error is always a possibility, but there's just too much evidence behind this "cold fusion" phenomenon to simply ignore it all.

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kbd512 · 2018-01-16 11:40:31

Louis,

I meant to suggest the opposite. There have been numerous earnest effort studies done by people driven by a desire to improve the human condition. Unfortunately, there have also been a variety of obvious and not-so-obvious scams. Nissan Motors, along with other research arms of universities, corporations, and government entities have attempted to determine what's going on, with respect to "cold fusion". Something is obviously going on there. It's worth our while to figure out what. If it turns out to be unusable, then so be it. If it is usable, then it's nothing less than a technological windfall that will benefit all of humanity.

If this power source works, then we don't need hundreds of tons of equipment for electrical power on Mars. This is better than solar, wind, or nuclear fission, if it works. It's not quite as energy dense or power dense as fission, but little to no shielding is required because there's not much in the way of radiation.

SpaceNut · 2018-01-16 19:43:55

Once all the trails are done here on earth the next phase of developement is getting down to what it really costs in order to make a market for sales. When it takes x dollars to mine, x to refine, x to seperate what is used versus what is not, x to construct the final product. Now for mars the x are all energy requirements for the steps.

louis · 2018-01-16 19:54:21

Yes, the economics for Japan are different from the economics of the USA or Saudi Arabia. It might make sense for Japan to develop LENR even if it is say 10% more expensive than imported natural gas because they will improve their balance of payments and create huge numbers of domestic jobs, thus boosting their own economy. Likewise, the economics of Mars will be different. It may make more sense to set up LENR machinery on Mars rather than lay down solar or import nuclear facilities.

SpaceNut wrote:

Once all the trails are done here on earth the next phase of developement is getting down to what it really costs in order to make a market for sales. When it takes x dollars to mine, x to refine, x to seperate what is used versus what is not, x to construct the final product. Now for mars the x are all energy requirements for the steps.

elderflower · 2018-01-17 04:19:16

But then you have all your x in one basket, Spacenut.

elderflower · 2018-01-17 04:28:04

y would you do that?

SpaceNut · 2018-01-17 12:42:53

The "mars the x are all energy requirements for the steps", is insitu made not shipped either in whole or parts from earth. Since energy is hopefully from multiple sources the x should not be a problem if there is excess energy to jump start the process. Here on Earth all the x's are from different energy sources but on mars we might not be so lucky until later years....

Antius · 2018-02-01 12:18:19

An interesting development that could have applications for inertial confinement fusion. Reading the articles produced on this development, leads me to believe that the enormous significance of it has not yet been understood.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/01/ … mpty-space

If this works, mankind will have developed a device capable of efficiently converting electric power into high energy gamma rays at extremely high power density. This would appear to provide exactly what is needed to pump a plasma to very high temperatures in a very short time scale - i.e. so short that significant expansion does not occur over the course of heating.

If this does indeed work as quantum mechanics predicts that it should, then it should allow compact inertial confinement fusion, capable of solving both the energy crisis here on Earth and providing a clean means of nuclear propulsion, with enough thrust-weight ratio to achieve lift-off from the Earth's surface.

In short, high energy lasers like this could be the key enabling technology allowing human beings to escape the Earth and colonise the solar system.

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Void · 2018-02-01 14:27:58

You can also have a look at Hydrogen + Boron fusion with Lasers.

As for LENR, I have read some opinion that it is not fusion but has to do with some type of quark energy. (I am like a dog barking at the Moon, to understand that).

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread … rk-fusion/

I admit I don't understand at all.

As for making real particles from virtual particles by adding energy, I believe that has already been done in Sweden at some point.

Therefore conjuring mass from quantum vacuum. Probably how the impossible space thruster works, if it does work.

https://www.space.com/26713-impossible- … -test.html

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