How does ESA fare?

Palomar7 · 2017-12-21 17:35:08

Considering the sizable influx of refugees and immigrants, and resultant financial strain, including some social difficulties pertaining to (seeking to *avoid* political discussion)...is ESA's budget healthy? Does a good working relationship continue with NASA?

I'm a bit rusty on certain matters.

SpaceNut · 2017-12-21 19:19:47

The ESA is as strong as it ever was with the Nasa relationship as they are still part of the ISS partners. The level of funding that is jointly put towards the efforts of space have not really changed all that much....

Terraformer · 2017-12-22 11:50:07

As I understand it, ESA is separate from the EU. So Britain may remain a member after 2019.

It's such a small part of the budget of the countries involved, though, that any spending on economic migrants is going to be far higher than the budget. Humanity isn't even trying when it comes to space exploration.

Palomar7 · 2017-12-22 12:25:53

Terraformer wrote:

As I understand it, ESA is separate from the EU. So Britain may remain a member after 2019.

I hope so (that's good to know, if so).

Humanity isn't even trying when it comes to space exploration.

True. This pervasive mentality that everything on Earth must be fine and dandy or we can't go is as ludicrous (and crippling) as canceling a family vacation because some kinfolk don't get along.

louis · 2017-12-22 18:39:38

If you were just to take GPS and its enhancement of efficient production and servicing on Earth, it's probably already repaid all of the investment in space since 1957! Sadly, Earthlings are v. shortsighted creatures. I guarantee if Space X get to Mars, Earth will receive untold benefits worth many times more the cost of Space X's effort. But still people sniff as if a few billion on Mars could be better spent somewhere else.

Terraformer wrote:

As I understand it, ESA is separate from the EU. So Britain may remain a member after 2019.
It's such a small part of the budget of the countries involved, though, that any spending on economic migrants is going to be far higher than the budget. Humanity isn't even trying when it comes to space exploration.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-06-07 04:55:52

First Ariane 6 launch set
https://spacenews.com/first-ariane-6-la … or-july-9/

Ariane was great but its philosophy has become a Dinosaur since the new era of Private innovation

if the Private Sector or South Korea or India start launching stations there is a good chunk of ESA which might fade into history and irrelevance
JAXA has a comparable budget to the ESA with the Japanese spending US$4.14 billion

The French and Germans dominate the ESA budget which might link to why France has dominated the launch industry with steady record with Ariane in South America, the Germans with robotics and with communication Operations Centre in Darmstadt, Germany. The British were big players but have pulled back somewhat while Italy has invested and expanded inside ESA, the ESA is not the EU and outside of the Euro a non-EU Switzerland also has contributions, they have worked very closely with NASA on missions, they have worked with Japan and China and Canada is a Cooperating State of ESA, politically the ESA and the Australian Space Agency have signed a joint statements. Most of Europe seems to have joined ESA, members keep expanding so it might be easier to count who within Europe is not in ESA these days.

It is also impressive all the different languages and cultures working together on a single mission, ESA’s working languages are both English and French, fluency in languages required and knowledge expected, German is common, on the ISS all astronauts learn Russian, no matter where they are from, the Japanese are also on the ISS, the US military and other groups which study language rank Japanese of high language difficulty taking many many weeks and thousands of hours of practice to reach proficiency, the JAXA working language is Japanese but every nation has translators it is more likely a European scientist will be working with an American on a science mission or Canadian or another European English/French speaker.

bad events?

Hackers breached ESA's subdomains and leaked thousands of login credentials

https://web.archive.org/web/20180720195 … y-domains/

After the ISS I'm not sure ESA and Russia will work much together for a time because of sanctions with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, they probably left themselves vulnerable depending on the Soyuz.

Vega has come along, its possible other Private-Sector rockets will come from Europe.

Space-X's Elon Musk helped them launch 'Euclid' on the Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral

They have no manned Spacecraft, their manned experience is ok but they depend on foreigners to taxi them to space, NASA, the Soyuz, the US Private sector.

Cancelled stuff Manned Spacecraft ideas, concepts for a flying hypersonic re-entry vehicles.

ESA has a few nightmare never getting off the ground missions

The MSR, the ExoMars Rosalind Franklin Rover Sample Return probably never happening maybe they could have redesigned it, sold it to a Private Space and sent it to the Moon or something. Nobody seems to know anything about the Mars Sample Return vision.

possible missions that ESA never cancels because it sees a value in a future science breakthrough

LISA - Gravitational-wave observatory mission

Interesting current missions with scientific break through Gaia, the Astrometry mission measures over one billion stars and other objects, its seems like a job for AI, the Euclid mission to study Dark Matter or Dark Energy.

Groundbreaking missions

stuff they do with NSA, Hubble, Cassini, JWST etc

Other missions, Cargo to the ISS, Mercury spacecraft, Venus, studying Asteroids, Ion Drives, a new Jupiter orbiter mission, focused on studying the Galilean moons Europa Ganymede and Callisto another NASA/JPL will join them planned for launch in October 2024. ESA has study of the Sun, the Earth's magnetosphere studying Comets and their evolution

Outisde of the ESA individual states can operate their own agency, the French National Centre for Space Studies or CNES or France's Centre national d'études spatiales

The Deep Space Habitat or Gateway and having people live on the Moon will probably suck a lot of time, energy and resources from NASA, ESA and JAXA, the Canadian Space Agency (CSA). Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin stated that he is "quite opposed to the Gateway" and that "using the Gateway as a staging area for robotic or human missions to the lunar surface is absurd" and he would prefer a Direct-To-Mars like Zubrin's vision.
Gerald Black
https://web.archive.org/web/20180521104 … cle/3494/1
'The Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway: an unneeded and costly diversion'
and
Ethan Siegel
https://web.archive.org/web/20170518160 … 2b5b7bd145
NASA's Idea For A Space Station In Lunar Orbit Takes Humanity Nowhere

NASA’s budget is almost three times higher than the record budget for ESA

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