Russian Klipper or US CEV - why can we not get it done sooner

dicktice · 2006-12-21 19:00:33

By merely bad-mouthing the Russian financial situation, does this mean that the overall plan is acceptable--even recommendable given adequate funds?

SpaceNut · 2006-12-21 20:50:45

Gee when I start the thread back in Sep 16, 2004 with topic title "Russian Klipper or US CEV - why can we not get it done sooner" I was asking a very pointed question as to the CEV timeline as compared to what was then

I felt at the time that "Theirs could be up and in use if given a little more funding I think before our first flight of the cev. For they had proposed to use an existing rocket to launch it from. Much less delay than our own cev which is like you noted a long ways off not only for first flight but being manned is a period of 6 yrs beyound first flight.

"quote" from the first link in the topic:
Almost as soon as NASA announced its plans to develop a new spaceship that could work more like a Russian Soyuz craft than the shuttle, the Russians announced plans to deploy their own next-generation spaceship by 2010 and that new vehicle, dubbed the Clipper, could well look more like the shuttle than a Soyuz."

The recent news release still indicates 2010 for operation as indicated in the graphics. While the CEV has slipped from the orginal push towards 2010 back to first announced date of 2012 now to possibly 2014 for first flight.

SpaceNut · 2017-12-04 20:49:51

bump artifacts

SpaceNut · 2018-12-25 08:53:46

We see how Russia boasts of wanting to keep up and yet they do not push forward.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-05-29 11:36:20

I'm not sure if some of these Soviet era concepts could have ever got to Mars but they are an important part of Earth's science history
is this the fate of humanity to trash its own history?

The Buran is now getting trashed by Vandalism?
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 … ace-center

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3x49y/ … h-graffiti

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/05 … e-history/

https://www.rt.com/russia/524881-vandal … -graffiti/

https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/26/buran_graffiti/

and what if one day some asshole were to graffiti over Neil Armstrong's footprint on the Moon

When this thread began relations with Russia were different, they were coming off the fall of the Soviet Union, they were working on the ISS with international partners, the attack of 911 was still in America's mind and the USA had just begun the invasion of Iraq...it was a different era and I believe relations between the US and Russia may have got worse since, Russia has hinted it will move away from the ISS and do its own space station, although its possible the USA and Russia might still work together on some post ISS project.

The thread could be updated with a new title even perhaps something like RussianNuke Spacetug or US Private Sector SpaceX - why can we not get it done sooner

I updated a new thread with planetary transportation news about a new Russian 'Space-Tug', it seems to be an interesting form of nuclear electric propulsion.

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2021-05-29 11:50:13)

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-08-14 02:20:32

The Soviet-style propaganda news circus continues?

'I whole heartedly agree with Kathy’s statement. I fully support Serena and I will always stand behind our astronauts.'
https://twitter.com/SenBillNelson/statu … 9035955200

Russia Mocks Boeing, Offering to Fix Its Broken Starliner Spacecraft
https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-of … -starliner

NASA stands by its astronaut after incendiary Russian claims

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08 … an-claims/

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