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louis · 2017-11-24 12:29:17

http://ecatworld.org/e-cat-qx-presentat … more-19591

Not saying I believe him but I find the idea of an effective LENR machine more likely than an effective hot fusion machine.

Until Rossi sells something on the open market, I won't be taking this on trust! He's had lots of opportunities to provide convincing test evidence, but on the other hand no one has been able to prove him a fraudster yet, so I suspend judgement.

Antius · 2017-11-24 14:08:00

Interesting. I will give it full scrutiny later.

The explanations behind LENR generally revolve around the production of cold neutrons that are subsequently absorbed into metal atomic nuclei. But this doesn't really correspond well with how these devices are claimed to work. Neutron absorption would result in substantial gamma emissions as well as production of radioisotopes. The LENR experiments carried out so far do not appear to generate gamma and there are no reports of induced radioactivity. So either the LENR claims are bogus or something more complex is going on.

It would be great if it works. A fuel that generates just 10 times the energy per unit mass of lox/methane at high power densities, would revolutionise space launch capabilities, provided the fuel were relatively cheap. So this doesn't necessarily need to be as energy dense as fission or fusion to be very useful to us. But scepticism is certainly understandable, as what the advocates claim does not fit well with existing nuclear physics.

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SpaceNut · 2017-11-24 15:00:28

Shaun Barrett wrote:

The high temperature (1000-1400 deg.C) version of the E-Cat, dubbed the 'QuarkX' for some reason, has been plagued by overheating problems for months now.
However, Rossi now reports that Leonardo Corporation has made great progress lately in overcoming the difficulties, since they hired an ex-U.S. Navy engineer from California to help with development.
It appears the overheating may have been solved by reducing the output of the units from 100W to 20W.
And the units will be very small and amenable to unlimited 'stacking', to produce any required wattage.
Rossi adds that the QuarkX is now getting close to the commercial production stage.
(We hope! )
Keeping you in the loop re. Rossi's progress, I've just been reading about developments with the high-temperature E-Cat, the QuarkX.
As you may remember, Rossi reported modest electricity production straight from the QuarkX unit itself, but apparently not enough to get excited about. As a result, he suggested the QuarkX would best be utilised as a source of intense heat to produce steam and drive turbines to make electricity in the traditional way - albeit without conventional fuels.
But in recent months he's been experimenting with graphene and, without releasing details, has revealed that the results for direct electricity production are more encouraging.
If true, it'll be one more example of graphene's remarkable usefulness .... assuming the QuarkX is found to be useful in the first place, of course!
An incomplete description of a laboratory test of the QuarkX by Andrea Rossi and Carl-Oscar Gullström has just been released by Leonardo Corporation (in Europe, I think?).
[Gullström is a doctoral student in nuclear physics at Uppsala University, Sweden.]
From what I've seen (not much) the upshot of the lab test was purportedly a Coefficient Of Power (COP) of more than 22,000.
This COP, if true, basically means the QuarkX set-up used was generating 22,000 times more energy than was supplied to it.
Highly satisfactory numbers by any measure!
Rossi is back working full-time on his LENR devices and says he has changed the name of the QuarkX. It's now called the E-Cat QX, and has become the principal form of the device for commercialisation.
Also, he reports he is particularly happy with a recent change of the design, which will greatly simplify its mass production.
A public demonstration of the E-Cat QX is currently scheduled to be held before the end of this October.
As you know, Rossi already has commercial licensing for his E-Cat technology, so its use in the commercial sphere will come first. The advent of private sales and usage will apparently depend on further licensing.
[Call me a dreamer but I still find it interesting that a compact energy-producing device like the E-Cat QX is approaching fruition at the same time as the creation of a radical new form of propulsion by Space Warp Dynamics..
I can imagine one development possibly becoming a crucial component of the other.
But of course there are far too many 'ifs buts and maybes' at this stage to get overly excited about it. ... But a little excited perhaps

SpaceNut · 2017-11-24 15:18:03

Shaun Barrett wrote:

The difficulties of keeping the E-Cat demonstrator running for the required 350 days are summarised by Rossi in the following reply he gave to a query about whether the unit - which had a Coefficient Of Power (COP) of 80 - was a contender for commercialisation:
shipping-container-size 1MW E-Cat did produce the goods (a COP of 80 is actually quite extraordinary by comparison with the energy output of other LENR devices trialled in labs worldwide), but it was a nightmare of maintenance issues.
However, from the lessons learned, and from the ideas which sprang from those lessons, was born the E-Cat QX, a much smaller modular E-Cat unit with an even better COP. (So we're told.)
The demonstration of this new version of the E-Cat is scheduled for the 24th of this month.
Stay tuned!

Rossi has worked on several version of isotopic reactions only to have others claim that they fail the 1 year working mark....

kbd512 · 2017-11-24 16:37:47

Louis,

I'm not relying on Dr. Rossi to sell anything to anyone on the open market. He's a scientist, not an industrialist and engineer like Mr. Musk. He only has to demonstrate that a nuclear resonance reaction works reliably. Pons and Fleischmann were onto something. Unfortunately, Standford Science is only "science for engineers". It's just a method for ensuring that scientific principles work as intended for engineering purposes. It's all but worthless for development of fundamentally new technology.

This paper should be useful for grasping the concepts behind what Rossi and others have been trying to experimentally validate:

An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms

louis · 2017-11-24 20:06:56

If Rossi was purely a scientist he wouldn't be involved in NDAs, patenting, commercial agreements and so on. He would simply offer up his discovery to other scientists to confirm. The fact he doesn't is one of the main reasons I distrust him.

kbd512 wrote:

Louis,
I'm not relying on Dr. Rossi to sell anything to anyone on the open market. He's a scientist, not an industrialist and engineer like Mr. Musk. He only has to demonstrate that a nuclear resonance reaction works reliably. Pons and Fleischmann were onto something. Unfortunately, Standford Science is only "science for engineers". It's just a method for ensuring that scientific principles work as intended for engineering purposes. It's all but worthless for development of fundamentally new technology.
This paper should be useful for grasping the concepts behind what Rossi and others have been trying to experimentally validate:
An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms

kbd512 · 2017-11-25 07:37:03

Louis,

Here's the link to the full demo on YouTube:

E-cat QX presentation 24 November 2017

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