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#101 2017-08-21 21:11:46

Tmcom
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Re: The Real Mars

louis wrote:

Regarding the crab-spider thing...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKNLxirM7PA

Interesting to read the comments...even the sceptics seem hard pushed to come up with an explanation.

I agree with the comment that says of all the things photographed on Mars, this is the one seriously puzzling phenomenon that can't be argued away as "just a rock".

And the rock that wasn't in one Curiosity image and was there the next day, was another that cannot be explained away, eventhough NASA came up with a lame reason that skeptics bought.

Yes, "Just a blurry Rock" is a line l hear constantly, (with a few f*** words thrown in by the mentally challenged) but in the end, rocks cannot explain what l and others have found, Mars has more to it than that.

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#102 2017-08-28 04:08:03

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More roads, and more structures looking like bridges.

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And this, looks like someone drawed some lines in the sand?

And put a square hole in the rock, (the white depiction on the right, hard to say, a sun depiction perhaps, but probably not Curiosity).

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#103 2017-08-30 04:18:26

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Talk about faces on Mars, check this one out. smile

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The things further down, don't look natural either.

But a face carved into a rock, which is blowing something out of it's mouth, nah, this one is legit.

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#104 2017-09-04 03:43:48

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Kinda hit the mini jackpot today! smile

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First one is this silver arch, or probably an entry to the structures on the left, (well, l am speculating that they are structures). But the arch looks like a slam dunk.

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Second shows Curiosity's wheel on the left, hard to see, but it is there, (the reflection).

Then we have what may be a structure in the middle, and then we have this very reflective ball on the right, which certainly is Not, the rovers reflection or natural, (eventhough mineral deposits might do likewise, but unlikely).

Considering this is a few km's away, artificial structure is more likely.

And you may note that the sun being reflected back to us, (on the left) is whitish, or what we would see on a clear, sunny day on Earth.

According to NASA we are only supposed to get blue sky, white sun at sunset, not during the day, (going by shadows on rocks).


So much for NASA data.

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#105 2017-09-06 04:20:38

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Another rock reflecting back to us, a yellow sun, not the red/orange BS one, (yellow is even present on their false color one).

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And another reflective rock showing a blue sky, dark blue hills and green landscape or rocks, (all three which are Not supposed to be there).

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#106 2017-09-09 17:07:30

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Re: The Real Mars

This weekend is the annual Convention. One talk this afternoon was "Practical Color Calibration for Mars Surface Images". I thought you may be interested. The speaker's website is http://areo.info/

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#107 2017-09-09 21:13:04

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RobertDyck wrote:

This weekend is the annual Convention. One talk this afternoon was "Practical Color Calibration for Mars Surface Images". I thought you may be interested. The speaker's website is http://areo.info/

Thanks for that, but there isn't any mystery around this, l have discussed this at length on another forum with about 5 numbskulls, that came up with one reason after another that Mars sky is a b***ch to get right.

Eventhough Venus with crippling pressures, and intense heat, has no problems or Saturns, moon also had no problems with getting the colors right when the probe landed there., eventhough the atmosphere is much thicker than ours and we have never been there before.

And some more excuses why, it is hard to do, (that don't stack up when analyzed).

And Hubble keeps showing us blue atmosphere for Mars, eventhough most NASA images show little atmosphere and red if they do.


No, if you run through all available evidence, then it is obvious that NASA is covering up that Vikings first images, of blue sky, green rocks and organic material in the soil were genuine, it has been BS ever since.

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#108 2017-09-09 21:30:56

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My understanding is that Mars sky is salmon pink near the horizon, fading to dark blue straight up. And becomes pale blue at sunset. So depends where you look.

Sunset on Mars, taken by Spirit rover 6:07pm local time May 19, 2005.
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Taken by Curiosity rover in morning twilight on August 31, 2012.
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#109 2017-09-11 04:03:45

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RobertDyck wrote:

My understanding is that Mars sky is salmon pink near the horizon, fading to dark blue straight up. And becomes pale blue at sunset. So depends where you look.

Taken by Curiosity rover in morning twilight on August 31, 2012.
https://i0.wp.com/astrobob.areavoices.com/files/2012/08/Earth-from-Mars-with-Phobos-Deimos-Aug31-am.jpg?resize=1024%2C677

Ok, good to see a yellow/orange sunrise, Finally, since all of the rocks l have seen over the years show, yellow/orange sunsets.

Salmon pink, no...

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2004, Spirit, Opp, press release.

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Viking images.


Ok, another one, l would love to say that the top one is a weird, abondoned car, but it is Curiosity's reflection.

But the lower image, whatever this is it is sticking out of the ground a fair way, so mineral deposits or something else.

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#110 2017-09-16 03:26:14

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Ok, another real look at Mars.

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Blue mountains and blue/white sky, looks like a typical scene from Earth.

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#111 2017-09-17 12:36:06

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One of the problems with color photography from these probes and rovers is that the color is synthetic.  It is fundamentally done as "black-and-white" through 3 visible wavelength filters,  which when these 3 signals are recombined,  create "synthetic" or "false" color.  What you get is all about which signal gets its gain turned up,  and by how much. 

Depending upon what it is you really want to see,  you turn the gains on these signals up and down by whatever makes your intended objective stand out in the image.  That has everything to do with color contrast and almost nothing to do with "true color".  It's actually quite the common imaging technique,  and not just for space probes.  It can also be quite deceiving.

I remember this effect during Viking,  and we have run into it ever since,  and at every planet or moon yet visited.  We got some very strange results from Mars until they finally made the painted flag on the Viking spacecraft look "right". 

Even then,  it wasn't the same from day to day.  The truth is that the Martian sky on a dust-free day tends toward an Earthly-looking blue,  while if there is any dust in the air (and there often is),  it looks much redder,  and more alien-looking.  The dust is almost exclusively red rock dust,  very fine.  Rock flour,  as a matter of fact.

One of the problems is just how thin Martian air really is.  It's first cousin to the vacuum of deep space,  at only 0.6 to 0.7% of Earth-normal pressure at the two Viking sites.  That makes the Earthly appearances on blue-sky days very deceiving indeed.   Only rock flour can fly in air that thin,  and often it does not extend all the way up through the Martian atmosphere. Although it can.  And has.

GW

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#112 2017-09-17 17:27:23

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The Photo-Geek's Guide to Curiosity Rover's 17 Cameras to shoot high-quality photos and videos in black-and-white, color, and 3-D stereo of the Martian landscape.

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https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/mission/instr … s/mastcam/

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#113 2017-09-17 20:49:37

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GW Johnson wrote:

One of the problems with color photography from these probes and rovers is that the color is synthetic.  It is fundamentally done as "black-and-white" through 3 visible wavelength filters,  which when these 3 signals are recombined,  create "synthetic" or "false" color.  What you get is all about which signal gets its gain turned up,  and by how much. 

Depending upon what it is you really want to see,  you turn the gains on these signals up and down by whatever makes your intended objective stand out in the image.  That has everything to do with color contrast and almost nothing to do with "true color".  It's actually quite the common imaging technique,  and not just for space probes.  It can also be quite deceiving.

I remember this effect during Viking,  and we have run into it ever since,  and at every planet or moon yet visited.  We got some very strange results from Mars until they finally made the painted flag on the Viking spacecraft look "right". 

Even then,  it wasn't the same from day to day.  The truth is that the Martian sky on a dust-free day tends toward an Earthly-looking blue,  while if there is any dust in the air (and there often is),  it looks much redder,  and more alien-looking.  The dust is almost exclusively red rock dust,  very fine.  Rock flour,  as a matter of fact.

One of the problems is just how thin Martian air really is.  It's first cousin to the vacuum of deep space,  at only 0.6 to 0.7% of Earth-normal pressure at the two Viking sites.  That makes the Earthly appearances on blue-sky days very deceiving indeed.   Only rock flour can fly in air that thin,  and often it does not extend all the way up through the Martian atmosphere. Although it can.  And has.

GW

True, to a point, but if NASA wants to cover up Mars being Earth like, then they will go all the way.

Meaning that the air pressure is not what they claim, if it was then we would see, near black sky, (like on the moon) and also not see so much water on the surface, or so much water on the surface that rain is a strong possibility, (you can't have very salty rain).

And Mars temp,s, more of the same, you cannot have rovers with exposed solar panels, (which are not heated, l researched it) exposed to almost minus 200c, at night a few times a week, without the silicon fracturing.

Silicon fractures at minus 40, so the two rovers if NASA is not lying should be immobile after a week, and definitely immobile after a month or two.

But both went for 10+ years each.


Then we have the solar panels being cleaned by dust devils on Mars, which should not occur if the air pressure is what they claim, but NASA makes up that these dust devils are static electricity charged, or some such BS.


No people will believe in whatever NASA says, eventhough some of it is dumb, or full of holes.

Or some don't want to believe that Mars is our twin, (minus the oceans, more of less) and certainly don't want to believe that it has an advanced civilization on its surface.


They are spoon feeding us the evidence now, while denying it all, but one day soon, it will be fully disclosed.

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#114 2017-09-18 02:06:50

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Needs to be revealed before September 23rd as that will be the end of this world (so say some people, apparently) and therefore there will be nobody around to receive the revelation.

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#115 2017-09-18 04:41:37

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elderflower wrote:

Needs to be revealed before September 23rd as that will be the end of this world (so say some people, apparently) and therefore there will be nobody around to receive the revelation.

No, the big announcement will be in the year 2033, so the world won't end before then.

hmm

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#116 2017-09-18 16:51:06

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I like the long spoons on Mars. Way more impressive than whether the sky is pink or blue.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/csPdpw_Zwac/maxresdefault.jpg

How do you explain those?


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#117 2017-09-18 21:23:14

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louis wrote:

I like the long spoons on Mars. Way more impressive than whether the sky is pink or blue.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/csPdpw_Zwac/maxresdefault.jpg

How do you explain those?

I would love to say that that is alien spoons or bones, but it is more likely hardened mineral deposits.

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#118 2017-09-19 01:01:45

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Yes, very likely.  But a geologist friend of mine, a pretty experienced one who has been all round the world, said he'd never seen anything like that on Earth.  Mars geology is clearly quite distinct from Earth's probably because of the low gravity and absence of strong winds or (generally) surface water.

Tmcom wrote:
louis wrote:

I like the long spoons on Mars. Way more impressive than whether the sky is pink or blue.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/csPdpw_Zwac/maxresdefault.jpg

How do you explain those?

I would love to say that that is alien spoons or bones, but it is more likely hardened mineral deposits.

smile


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#119 2017-09-19 06:09:47

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louis wrote:

Yes, very likely.  But a geologist friend of mine, a pretty experienced one who has been all round the world, said he'd never seen anything like that on Earth.  Mars geology is clearly quite distinct from Earth's probably because of the low gravity and absence of strong winds or (generally) surface water.

Tmcom wrote:
louis wrote:

I like the long spoons on Mars. Way more impressive than whether the sky is pink or blue.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/csPdpw_Zwac/maxresdefault.jpg

How do you explain those?

I would love to say that that is alien spoons or bones, but it is more likely hardened mineral deposits.

smile

Or it has been protected by the sand, and will fall in a heap, in the near future.

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#120 2017-09-19 17:09:05

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The conspiracy theorists will probably say the NASA made it fall in a heap.

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#121 2017-09-19 21:41:31

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elderflower wrote:

The conspiracy theorists will probably say the NASA made it fall in a heap.

Maybe, but there is far more compelling stuff on Mars than that!

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#122 2017-09-20 15:22:09

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Well the spoons look like they are levitating as I can see shadow under them so supernatural forces are at work.....

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#123 2017-09-20 21:46:43

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SpaceNut wrote:

Well the spoons look like they are levitating as I can see shadow under them so supernatural forces are at work.....

Lol, big_smile

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#124 2017-09-22 04:01:14

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Another day, and not much, but this is fascinating...

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Looks like a pyramid of some kind, but probably just dirt, (right) in this reflective rock?

And on the left hand side, we have this thing, that took me a while to figure out, but l believe that it is a dust devil moving in a left to right direction, (the dust it is throwing up is on the left of this.

And you may also notice that this one is creating an impression on the surface, since it is has enough power to churn up the surrounding soil.

Yeah, another nail in the supposed NASA air pressure.

It is good that Curiosity weights a ton.

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#125 2017-09-22 08:06:06

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This one is certainly food for thought...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb1yrSEQLPY

If it is a rock, it is a pretty weird sort of formation.

And here's another v. interesting and unusual shape:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cBoEN2jX5o

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