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#701 2017-03-13 19:52:26

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Re: Politics

The American public is tired of the constant lies and with President Trump claims that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower he may also be called into obstruction as he needs to show proof of the claim.  Congress demands evidence of the claims while some House Republicans admit that there is no evidence. Trump if found guilty of obstruction of justice, that is an offense that could get him impeached. To further impede the chances of being going to court to be found guilty he fires all the remaining AG's that were still actively working. The House intelligence committee said it would give the Justice Department until March 20 to comply with the evidence request. That's the date of the committee's first open hearing on the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election and possible contacts between Trump associates and Russia. With which the only tapping that was going on is the computer banking signals which were being monitored and nothing else.

Check Out President Trump Blatantly Lying About ObamaCare Once Again all while trying to reassuring the masses who are worried about the loss of healthcare under the GOP Repeal and Replace plan. But Trumpcare is American Health Care Act really is “dead on arrival” according to a new report from the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation. The AARP estimates that a 64-year-old making $15,000 a year would pay $8,400 more for coverage under the proposed Republican bill than the Affordable Care Act. Overall, people in their 50s would pay 25-30 percent more in premiums under the new plan, the group projects.

‘Robin Hood in reverse’: CBO report on GOP health care plan supports Democrats’ charges
Congressional Budget Office’s report estimating that 24 million fewer Americans would be insured under the Republican health care plan 10 years from now, arguing their colleagues should abandon the effort. The CBO projected that costs eventually would be higher for older people buying coverage and lower for younger people, averaging out to a 10 percent reduction in premiums on the individual market 10 years from now. 14 million people would lose insurance next year after the bill passed.

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#702 2017-03-15 09:34:40

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Re: Politics

SpaceNut wrote:

The American public is tired of the constant lies and with President Trump claims that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower he may also be called into obstruction as he needs to show proof of the claim.

How else would the Administration know that Trump was conspiring with the Russians to rig the 2016 Presidential elections, when will the Democrat Media stop lying about that? if they are telling the truth, then Trump was telling the truth about being spied upon by the previous Administration. So if you accept one truth you have to accept the other.

Congress demands evidence of the claims while some House Republicans admit that there is no evidence. Trump if found guilty of obstruction of justice, that is an offense that could get him impeached.

Let the Republicans impeach their own President and they will deserve what they get! They'll get a more conservative President Pence, and he will lead the effort to primary challenge all the Republican Congress people that impeached Trump! Pence will do this, he wouldn't be there if not for Trump, and if the Republicans impeach him too, it will look self serving to make Paul Ryan President of the United States, by this time the Tea Party will be an actual Political Party, I don't see how the Democrats can benefit from this, the American People will still want reform! If Congress impeaches Trump they will do so against the will of the American People, and will prove just how corrupt the two-party system is with the Democrats and Republicans!

To further impede the chances of being going to court to be found guilty he fires all the remaining AG's that were still actively working. The House intelligence committee said it would give the Justice Department until March 20 to comply with the evidence request. That's the date of the committee's first open hearing on the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election and possible contacts between Trump associates and Russia. With which the only tapping that was going on is the computer banking signals which were being monitored and nothing else.

Check Out President Trump Blatantly Lying About ObamaCare Once Again all while trying to reassuring the masses who are worried about the loss of healthcare under the GOP Repeal and Replace plan. But Trumpcare is American Health Care Act really is “dead on arrival” according to a new report from the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation. The AARP estimates that a 64-year-old making $15,000 a year would pay $8,400 more for coverage under the proposed Republican bill than the Affordable Care Act. Overall, people in their 50s would pay 25-30 percent more in premiums under the new plan, the group projects.

‘Robin Hood in reverse’: CBO report on GOP health care plan supports Democrats’ charges
Congressional Budget Office’s report estimating that 24 million fewer Americans would be insured under the Republican health care plan 10 years from now, arguing their colleagues should abandon the effort. The CBO projected that costs eventually would be higher for older people buying coverage and lower for younger people, averaging out to a 10 percent reduction in premiums on the individual market 10 years from now. 14 million people would lose insurance next year after the bill passed.

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#703 2017-03-15 10:36:34

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Re: Politics

I posted elsewhere about a new political system for Mars. I gave examples from Canada. This included stupid actions by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper in 2008. He damn near got himself removed. His stupid action was immediately after the federal election, he tried to force through a bill that would take away funding from every political party other than his own. But according to Canada's constitution, what he did would get him removed, a new Prime Minister would be appointed. This was right after the election, before Parliament sat for the first day after the election. Stupid idiot was Prime Minister of Canada, yet didn't understand the Canadian Constitution. He and his party lost the election in 2015, but that doesn't change the fact his actions in 2008 were just stupid.

I say this because many have pointed out Donald Trump doesn't understand the American Constitution. There appears to be a pattern here. I feel your pain.

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#704 2017-03-15 19:53:33

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Rob,

If President Trump doesn't understand the US Constitution, then President Obama and his appointees were utterly clueless.  Apart from Secretary Clinton's inability to understand what the word "classified" means, President Obama's inability to discern where his power began and ended was the primary reason that President Trump was elected.

Is it legal for Congress or the President to force Americans to purchase a product from a corporation?

Prior to the Affordable Care Act, Americans were not obligated to purchase anything from anyone.  SCOTUS said it was legal because it's not a tax, although for some reason the IRS collects the non-tax and calls it a tax.  It's a non-tax tax, whatever the hell that is.  Maybe those liberal judges were just confused about what the definition of "is" is.  I want some anti-Trump liberals will file a lawsuit against the implementation of the American Care Act (Affordable Care Act II) on the grounds that it's unconstitutional.  If the judges rule in their favor, I might die laughing.  Let's hope they do so we can simply return to the way things were before the liberals wanted to spend more of other peoples' money.

Is it legal for the IRS to discriminate against organizations when their political viewpoints differ from those held by the President?

SCOTUS ruled on this long ago.  It's funny that liberals seem to think that our Constitution only applies to them or non-citizens, and even at that, only when they want it to.

Is it legal for a Secretary of State to ignore the laws pertaining to control of classified information?

We were told exactly what would happen to us if any classified information was improperly released, inadvertently or otherwise.  I seem to recall a fairly well known military officer who was prosecuted during President Obama's tenure in office for this very offense.

Is it legal for the President to attempt to implement executive orders pertaining to immigration that are directly counter to existing laws on immigration that were passed by a majority vote from Congress and signed into law by previous Presidents?

SCOTUS said "no" twice.

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#705 2017-03-15 21:28:14

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#706 2017-03-16 00:26:03

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Re: Politics

SpaceNut wrote:

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Do you really want to encourage this? A black man pretends to assassinate President Trump, and John Wilkes Booth actually assassinates President Lincoln for freeing blacks from slavery, both Presidents are Republicans! Such irony! Snoop Dogg wants to play the part of "John Wilkes Booth" to Trump's "Lincoln!"

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#707 2017-03-16 05:42:37

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I don't recall there being much laughter at people talking about assassinating Obama. It would be nice if the same courtesy was extended to the current President.


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#708 2017-03-16 14:54:45

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Tom I saw the play on words as being a parody to what trump had said during the election campaign that in what he said has come back to haunt him...
Donald Trump boasted, I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters' as he bragged about how loyal his supporters.... Snope Dog is just joking just like he was right....

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#709 2017-03-16 16:46:01

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SpaceNut wrote:

Tom I saw the play on words as being a parody to what trump had said during the election campaign that in what he said has come back to haunt him...
Donald Trump boasted, I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters' as he bragged about how loyal his supporters.... Snope Dog is just joking just like he was right....

Do you think President Trump's behavior is as much of a problem as the people who are actually threatening to kill or asking other people to kill President Trump?  How many skits has President Trump come up with showing him shooting someone that were subsequently aired on national television stations?  Did President Trump actually threaten to kill someone on 5th Avenue or ask someone to kill someone on 5th Avenue on his behalf?

I think these liberals are just showing their true colors.  They're hate-filled and spiteful little people who will not simply disagree with people of different political persuasions.  They want to silence or murder anyone who doesn't agree with them.  From what I've seen of their public behavior after the election, there's no difference between liberals and the real Nazis that they falsely claim President Trump's supporters to be.  There was no looting or burning of cars in the streets when President Obama was elected.  When will these supposedly loving and tolerant liberals demonstrate what they say they stand for by ending their violent criminal behavior?

Why should the "let me have my way, or I'll burn cars and loot stores" crowd ever be allowed to vote?  Is that the behavior of rational adults capable of making a decision as important as who the next President is, or is that the behavior of irrational children throwing temper tantrums?  Do you condone this type of behavior if the President is someone you personally disagree with?

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#710 2017-03-16 19:25:17

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You are correct in those that comitted the crimes of burning cars and looting stores need to be caught and jailed after prosecution.

The same holds true for the Trump followers that have killed and burned churches as well....

Trump’s $1.1 Trillion Budget Makes Dramatic Cuts to Federal Government

The axe falls heavily on the Environmental Protection Agency, the Agriculture Department and the State Department. Other programs, from medical research to the arts to those benefiting the poor, would also lose a significant chunk — if not all — of their federal funding. The budget reserves $1.5 billion for building a wall on the southern border with Mexico, with $2.6 billion more allocated for the project in the following fiscal year.

Here are the highlights:

—Twelve of the government's 15 Cabinet agencies would be defunded to some extent, with the biggest losers the departments of Agriculture, Labor, State and the Cabinet-level EPA. The EPA's funding would be down 31 percent, or $2.6 billion; Agriculture would be down nearly 21 percent, or $4.7 billion; and the State Department would be down 28 percent, or $10 billion.

—The departments seeing the biggest funding gains would be the Pentagon, up 10 percent with $52 billion allocated for military spending and $2 billion for national defense programs outside the Defense Department; Homeland Security, up 6.8 percent or $2.8 billion, including for the building of the border wall with Mexico; and Veterans Affairs, up 5.9 percent, or $4.4 billion.

—The Health and Human Services Department faces the biggest cut in dollars — 16.2 percent, or $12.6 billion — with funding eliminated for the Fogarty International Center, whose mission is to support global health. But the budget does address the nation's growing opioid addiction epidemic with a proposed $500 million increase to the health department as well as more to the Justice Department.

—Aside from funding for the border wall, Homeland Security would get a $314 million hiring spree for "500 new Border Patrol Agents and 1,000 new Immigration and Customs Enforcement law enforcement personnel in 2018, plus associated support staff." Money would also go toward hiring 75 immigration judges and 20 attorneys who can help procure the land in the Southwest for the border wall, as well as for short-term detention space.

—Federal funding would be eliminated for several programs and services, with proposed savings of $2.7 billion. Those include the National Endowment for the Arts, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the Institute of Museum and Library Services, legal aid for the poor and low-income heating assistance.


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Republicans dismiss Trump's first budget blueprint

Key takeaways from President Trump's new budget blueprint are Families face reality of possible budget cuts killing programs they use

How would Trump's budget hit UN programs?

The U.S. contributes more to the U.N. budget than any other nation: 22 percent of the regular budget ($5.4 billion) and 28.5 percent of the peacekeeping budget ($8.27 billion).

Trump wants to slash State Department budget by 28 percent, shift money to defense

Under executive order reguation roll back
Other changes to Things to know about Trump's rollback of CAFE fuel-economy standards

The standard for passenger cars stayed at 27.5 mpg from 1990 until 2007. In 2009, the government set a fuel economy standard of 34.1 mpg for cars and light trucks by 2016. In 2012, it set a new target of 54.5 mpg by 2025. The number can change depending on the mix of vehicles customers buy. Right now, it stands at 51.4 mpg because people are buying more SUVs and trucks.

So by relaxing the goal the us will sell more oil which will raise the price at the gas pump.. And it will not sell anymore cars made in America than it currently does.

GOP health care bill advances despite opposition from conservatives from the budget panel, voting 19-17, passed the American Health Care Act, which now heads to the House Rules Committee.

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#711 2017-03-16 20:27:25

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Trump Budget Cuts to Scientific, Medical Research Would Have ‘Devastating’ Effect: Experts slash nearly $6 billion from the National Institutes of Health, which funds most basic medical research in the country, as well as eliminate entirely dozens of other agencies and programs. It would cut the overall Health and Human Services department budget by 18 percent, including the cuts to the NIH, and reassign money from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to states.

Trump Proposes Cutting Billions to Urban Areas He Vowed to Help $6.2 billion of cuts to the nation's Housing and Urban Development agency, putting the already strapped federal housing authority under even bigger strain.

Trump Promised Job Creation — but His Budget Axes Many Job Creation Programs

Trump budget blueprint raises questions about disaster aid

Remember these Super storms....

More than $3 billion for 9/11 recovery efforts. More than $15 billion to rebuild after Hurricane Sandy. Nearly $20 billion to help victims of Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma.
They're huge sums of money -- all approved by Congress, then handed down to states and cities, which use the cash under strict federal rules.

So why this?

President Donald Trump's 2018 budget blueprint, the program that put those dollars into local hands would be zeroed-out, raising questions about how readily the cash would be available when the next disaster strikes

When disaster happens, all eyes turn to FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency to respond with HUD stepping in next with long-term community redevelopment. So no quick help will be coming as it will need to pass through congress...

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#712 2017-03-16 21:54:22

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For the wall Trump Seizing Land From Texans to Build His Wall, Letters Going Out that order them to either accept a lowball offer for their land, or have it seized by eminent domain.

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The Donald Trump administration has been plagued with scandal after scandal in it’s first couple of months, and now it seems like another is brewing, this time with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Hit with Fraud Investigation. “What did the company know about fossil fuels and climate change and when?”  It is likely that Exxon-Mobile knew the environmental damage they were causing for decades and hid it from the public.

Trump Caught in the Middle of Another $400 Million Conflict of Interest Business Deal that Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, is investing into a building owned by Kushner’s real estate company, adding to the mountain of other conflicts of interest this Trump has.

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#713 2017-03-17 10:59:46

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Re: Politics

SpaceNut wrote:

Tom I saw the play on words as being a parody to what trump had said during the election campaign that in what he said has come back to haunt him...
Donald Trump boasted, I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters' as he bragged about how loyal his supporters.... Snope Dog is just joking just like he was right....

"Could" does not equal "did", Trump is prone to boasting and exaggeration, you should learn not to take him literally about everything he says. Its quite obvious that Trump was bragging and not serious, just like when he was joking about the Russians having the missing Hillary e-mails, the liberals wanted to misinterpret that abd blow that all up into Trump collaborating with the Russians, guess they can't take a joke! You really think if Trump was collaboration with the Russians, he would joke about it on television? I don't. You have "word lawyers" examining every syllable Trump utters and trying to find ways to use those words against him, this is ridiculous, and we don't need this "legal weenie" stuff! Do you take the "Legal Weenie" lawyers seriously? They need to get a life!

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#714 2017-03-17 11:07:47

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SpaceNut wrote:

For the wall Trump Seizing Land From Texans to Build His Wall, Letters Going Out that order them to either accept a lowball offer for their land, or have it seized by eminent domain.

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The Donald Trump administration has been plagued with scandal after scandal in it’s first couple of months, and now it seems like another is brewing, this time with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson Hit with Fraud Investigation. “What did the company know about fossil fuels and climate change and when?”  It is likely that Exxon-Mobile knew the environmental damage they were causing for decades and hid it from the public.

Trump Caught in the Middle of Another $400 Million Conflict of Interest Business Deal that Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, is investing into a building owned by Kushner’s real estate company, adding to the mountain of other conflicts of interest this Trump has.

You know, save it for the legal weenie lawyers that are actually interested in this stuff. I'm not a lawyer. All I care about is how what Trump is doing affects me and the Space program, if Trump is accidentally making a few bucks on the side, I could care less, Trump obviously didn't get rich by this, Clinton did! If for instance a Russian diplomat checks into the Presidential Suite of a Trump hotel, I could care less, you want to make an issue of this and call it a bribe? That's ridiculous. The most powerful man in the World right now is Donald Trump, Putin has nothing to offer him, a few hundred million on the side is not going to get Trump to change his policies. Trump is 70 years old, he knows he doesn't have many more years left, the Presidency is his legacy, he is not going to mess it up by willingly accepting bribes or kickbacks, Trump has made his billions already, Clinton has not. Everything Trump does while President is all about his legacy and making history, not about enrichment, if you don't know this already, I don't know what else I can say to you.

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#715 2017-03-17 11:20:59

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SpaceNut wrote:

You are correct in those that comitted the crimes of burning cars and looting stores need to be caught and jailed after prosecution.

The same holds true for the Trump followers that have killed and burned churches as well....

I heard a black man burnt down a black church and got caught trying to make it look like Trump followers dod this. As for he other Churches, I smell George Soros money, he is paying people to protest, riot, and commit acts of violence attributed to Trump. There were a number of Jewish cemeteries vandalized recently, I wouldn't be surprised if George Soros was paying people to do that in order to make Trump look bad. the whole "good ole boy" Klan connection to Trump is something the Democrats are trying to weld onto Trump, they would even give him a southern accent if the could. Problem is Trump is from New York, not Alabama, he has hired a lot of minorities in his businesses, has a daughter that converted to Judaism, and the Democrats are trying to paint him to look like Hitler! I think that is just dishonest! I think the Democrats should stop trying to be "Boss Hogg" and just accept their losses and try to do better by the American people instead of trying to find angles to impeach the current President, the nation does not need this! Just work the system, run a few candidates and learn from your mistakes, that is all I ask. There will be a Democratic President again someday, if the democrats would stop digging a hole for themselves now, stop conniving and being dishonest. Too many tricks and not enough real work for the people, its time they got back to that, I am sure they can find real issues, and not make up stuff. There is not much stuff the Trump Administration could have done in its first month in office. I suggest they let events happen of their own accord instead of their trying to force events an manufacture a scandal for Trump out of whole cloth. We need a more balanced media too, we are not going to believe "Pinocchio News" when it talks about a "Trump Scandal"! The Media has "soiled themselves" with their bias for the Democrats, we need this to stop!

Trump’s $1.1 Trillion Budget Makes Dramatic Cuts to Federal Government

The axe falls heavily on the Environmental Protection Agency, the Agriculture Department and the State Department. Other programs, from medical research to the arts to those benefiting the poor, would also lose a significant chunk — if not all — of their federal funding. The budget reserves $1.5 billion for building a wall on the southern border with Mexico, with $2.6 billion more allocated for the project in the following fiscal year.

Here are the highlights:

—Twelve of the government's 15 Cabinet agencies would be defunded to some extent, with the biggest losers the departments of Agriculture, Labor, State and the Cabinet-level EPA. The EPA's funding would be down 31 percent, or $2.6 billion; Agriculture would be down nearly 21 percent, or $4.7 billion; and the State Department would be down 28 percent, or $10 billion.

—The departments seeing the biggest funding gains would be the Pentagon, up 10 percent with $52 billion allocated for military spending and $2 billion for national defense programs outside the Defense Department; Homeland Security, up 6.8 percent or $2.8 billion, including for the building of the border wall with Mexico; and Veterans Affairs, up 5.9 percent, or $4.4 billion.

—The Health and Human Services Department faces the biggest cut in dollars — 16.2 percent, or $12.6 billion — with funding eliminated for the Fogarty International Center, whose mission is to support global health. But the budget does address the nation's growing opioid addiction epidemic with a proposed $500 million increase to the health department as well as more to the Justice Department.

—Aside from funding for the border wall, Homeland Security would get a $314 million hiring spree for "500 new Border Patrol Agents and 1,000 new Immigration and Customs Enforcement law enforcement personnel in 2018, plus associated support staff." Money would also go toward hiring 75 immigration judges and 20 attorneys who can help procure the land in the Southwest for the border wall, as well as for short-term detention space.

—Federal funding would be eliminated for several programs and services, with proposed savings of $2.7 billion. Those include the National Endowment for the Arts, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the Institute of Museum and Library Services, legal aid for the poor and low-income heating assistance.


http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics … NTS%20.jpg

Republicans dismiss Trump's first budget blueprint

Key takeaways from President Trump's new budget blueprint are Families face reality of possible budget cuts killing programs they use

How would Trump's budget hit UN programs?

The U.S. contributes more to the U.N. budget than any other nation: 22 percent of the regular budget ($5.4 billion) and 28.5 percent of the peacekeeping budget ($8.27 billion).

Trump wants to slash State Department budget by 28 percent, shift money to defense

Under executive order reguation roll back
Other changes to Things to know about Trump's rollback of CAFE fuel-economy standards

The standard for passenger cars stayed at 27.5 mpg from 1990 until 2007. In 2009, the government set a fuel economy standard of 34.1 mpg for cars and light trucks by 2016. In 2012, it set a new target of 54.5 mpg by 2025. The number can change depending on the mix of vehicles customers buy. Right now, it stands at 51.4 mpg because people are buying more SUVs and trucks.

So by relaxing the goal the us will sell more oil which will raise the price at the gas pump.. And it will not sell anymore cars made in America than it currently does.

GOP health care bill advances despite opposition from conservatives from the budget panel, voting 19-17, passed the American Health Care Act, which now heads to the House Rules Committee.

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#716 2017-03-17 23:35:48

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At least Trump has the gumption to propose these cuts, the only things Obama ever wanted to cut was the Defense Department and NASA. Also why are so many liberals worried about Global Warming while at the same time, none of them are worried about the increasing government debt? Both are long term problems supposedly, so why are liberals so eager to make sacrifices to try and solve global warming, but when it comes to the Budget Deficit and debt, they are willing to kick the can down the road? Seems a bit inconsistent, don't you think? You cite all these instances of Trump wanting to cut the budget, but you seem to have no problem with cutting carbon emissions. Cutting carbon emissions means imposing costs on the emitters, but that is fine, however cut government programs and its no no no!

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#717 2017-03-18 08:14:06

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Government programs that feed poeple when cut kill people....A defense department cut does not....
Sure there needs to be a balance and that is the problem when making cuts that could and will kill people as thats the same as a death camp singling out the old and the poor for termination....
That said cutting the amount for global warming a bit does not kill but terminating all research will as people do not move from what they own. Terminating the EPA regulations on pollutions will kill in the name of cuts...
Regulations are not in place to keep corporate business men from profits its there to protect the people.

So choose the cuts wisely

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#718 2017-03-18 09:30:43

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SpaceNut wrote:

Government programs that feed poeple when cut kill people....A defense department cut does not....

A Defense Department cut kills soldiers who are fighting to protect us! I think soldiers should have priority over homeless people, we shouldn't be leaving them to die in the battlefield in order to feed and shelter the homeless! and if we lose a war to our enemies there is this:
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The Enemy can do some terrible things to us if we lose!, if we get cheap on defending ourselves!

Sure there needs to be a balance and that is the problem when making cuts that could and will kill people as thats the same as a death camp singling out the old and the poor for termination....

At least you stand a chance if you are not in a concentration camp.

That said cutting the amount for global warming a bit does not kill but terminating all research will as people do not move from what they own. Terminating the EPA regulations on pollutions will kill in the name of cuts...
Regulations are not in place to keep corporate business men from profits its there to protect the people.

So choose the cuts wisely

I have not seen any evidence that Global Warming actually kills! We are intelligent creatures, we should be able to adapt to a changing environment over many generations and survive! We don't need those ice caps on the north and south poles, how do we know this? The human population in the Polar Regions is extremely low!

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#719 2017-03-18 19:35:11

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"I have not seen any evidence that Global Warming actually kills! We are intelligent creatures, we should be able to adapt to a changing environment over many generations and survive! We don't need those ice caps on the north and south poles, how do we know this? The human population in the Polar Regions is extremely low!"  -- quoted from Tom Kalbfus in the previous posting.

Tom,  you idiot!  You are so ignorant of the science on this that you do not understand that we do not have have "many generations" to adapt.  We have 1,  maybe 2,  before it gets quite catastrophic. 

What happens at the poles (ice melt) affects everywhere else.  Because sea levels rise by a minimum of the volume of ice melted on land that is above current sea levels,  divided by the ice/water density ratio 0.90.  Max is 1 m rise for the land glaciers,  6 m rise for the Greenland ice sheet,  7 meter rise for west Antarctica,  and 20+ m rise for east Antarctica.  Actuals should be crudely half of those figures,  for 0.5 + 3 + 3.5 + 10+ m = 17 m sea level rise.  Less if less-than-half actually melts,  which is where my 6-10 m rise figure comes from. 

As the waters warm further,  thermal expansion raises sea levels further.  This does take longer.  Geologists have identified fossil beaches as high as 350 feet (107 m) above current sea levels,  and as low as 480 feet (146 m) below current sea levels.  That bounds what can happen.  Because it has happened before. 

What will happen within about 3 generations (2100 AD) is less,  at something closer to my 6-10 m sea level rise (~25% melting),  and some unpredictable but incredible changes in desertification and rainfall patterns (also consistent with the geological record).  Half of humanity lives within 6-10 meters of current sea levels,  and 90+% of them are so poor they cannot move to higher ground.  Nearly all the high-population cities,  and nearly all the business and financial institutions,  fall within this danger range. 

If technological agriculture fails (and it easily could),  90% of humanity dies,  by famine.  And the resulting wars over sharply-dwindling resources.  That is based on pre-industrial agricultural output versus industrial agricultural output,  which is roughly a factor of 10.  Just a matter of the data record.  Screw your politics,  that's just hard historical data. 

Fast yet drastic change.  That's what actually faces us.  You would know that,  if you looked at the real data from real scientists working in the field,  and not that fake-news Breitbart-news and Tea Party shit.

GW

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#720 2017-03-18 20:08:38

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"I have not seen any evidence that Global Warming actually kills! We are intelligent creatures, we should be able to adapt to a changing environment over many generations and survive! We don't need those ice caps on the north and south poles, how do we know this? The human population in the Polar Regions is extremely low!"  -- quoted from Tom Kalbfus in the previous posting.

Tom,  you idiot!  You are so ignorant of the science on this that you do not understand that we do not have have "many generations" to adapt.  We have 1,  maybe 2,  before it gets quite catastrophic.

 
2 generations ago, how much lower was the sea level? The ice caps have been melting and shrinking since 18,000 years ago, chance are they will continue to do so until a climatic reversal happens and we begin a new ice age.

What happens at the poles (ice melt) affects everywhere else.  Because sea levels rise by a minimum of the volume of ice melted on land that is above current sea levels,  divided by the ice/water density ratio 0.90.  Max is 1 m rise for the land glaciers,  6 m rise for the Greenland ice sheet,  7 meter rise for west Antarctica,  and 20+ m rise for east Antarctica.  Actuals should be crudely half of those figures,  for 0.5 + 3 + 3.5 + 10+ m = 17 m sea level rise.  Less if less-than-half actually melts,  which is where my 6-10 m rise figure comes from. 

As the waters warm further,  thermal expansion raises sea levels further.  This does take longer.  Geologists have identified fossil beaches as high as 350 feet (107 m) above current sea levels,  and as low as 480 feet (146 m) below current sea levels.  That bounds what can happen.  Because it has happened before. 

What will happen within about 3 generations (2100 AD) is less,  at something closer to my 6-10 m sea level rise (~25% melting),  and some unpredictable but incredible changes in desertification and rainfall patterns (also consistent with the geological record).  Half of humanity lives within 6-10 meters of current sea levels,  and 90+% of them are so poor they cannot move to higher ground.

You are saying they are so poor they cannot move a mere 6 meters to higher elevations? Why is that, are all their legs broken? Is the air too thin for them to breathe at 6 to 10 meters altitude? I know there are a lot of poor people in Appalacia, there are poor people living in Tibet and Nepal, these are high altitude places, and poor people can live here, and if most of them live in cardboard boxes and other shanties, moving shouldn't be such a big problem for them.

Nearly all the high-population cities,  and nearly all the business and financial institutions,  fall within this danger range.

High population cities can move, if the ocean level rises, you get new coast lines and people can live their, move their shanties and cardboard boxes to higher elevation, they are light enough, I think they can carry them!

If technological agriculture fails (and it easily could),  90% of humanity dies,  by famine.

 
Oh please, because the oceans rose 6 to 10 meters? 90% is hyperbole. More melted ice means more water not less! Also your talking about 2100 AD, well into the age of robots, on what basis would people be poor that they can't move their legs?

And the resulting wars over sharply-dwindling resources.

 
What are the resources of the Solar System anyway, You saying that humanity would use them up by 2100. We can dump more water from Europa on Earth if you think that would help, but I think the ice sheets of Antarctica contain enough water in them'

That is based on pre-industrial agricultural output versus industrial agricultural output,  which is roughly a factor of 10.  Just a matter of the data record.  Screw your politics,  that's just hard historical data.

 
Why are you concerned about preindustrial, there won't be any preindustrial in 2100? You know for a guy in the New Mars forums, you really have little faith in the future!

Fast yet drastic change.  That's what actually faces us.  You would know that,  if you looked at the real data from real scientists working in the field,  and not that fake-news Breitbart-news and Tea Party shit.

GW

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Tom Kalbfus wrote:

The Enemy can do some terrible things to us if we lose!, if we get cheap on defending ourselves!

NAZI death camps were what the government of Germany did to their own people! This was never done by a foreign invader, it was what the government did to their own. So now ask what the government of the US will do to you. And you want to support the US government taking more money from you? Look at those pictures again? Now think of a US marine standing in front of a truck with US citizens piled inside. That's what you are funding.

A couple people told me the US government has secret trains hidden somewhere; passenger cars with handcuffs built into each seat. What do you think those are for?

Tomi Lahren likes to refer to American liberals as "snowflakes". You realize the term "snowflake" refers to a prisoner in a NAZI death camp. After they were burned, sometimes burned alive, in cremation ovens, their ashes would float up the chimney and come down as "snowflakes". When you call someone a "snowflake" you are threatening them with death in a NAZI death camp. That means you call yourself a NAZI.

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#723 2017-03-19 03:24:13

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You realize the term "snowflake" refers to a prisoner in a NAZI death camp. After they were burned, sometimes burned alive, in cremation ovens, their ashes would float up the chimney and come down as "snowflakes". When you call someone a "snowflake" you are threatening them with death in a NAZI death camp. That means you call yourself a NAZI.

Lolwut.

You *do* realise that the term snowflake comes from the term "special snowflake", referring to people who believe themselves to be special and unique, just as snowflakes are supposed to be?

But don't mind me.

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#724 2017-03-19 06:05:36

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Re: Politics

RobertDyck wrote:
Tom Kalbfus wrote:

The Enemy can do some terrible things to us if we lose!, if we get cheap on defending ourselves!

NAZI death camps were what the government of Germany did to their own people! This was never done by a foreign invader, it was what the government did to their own. So now ask what the government of the US will do to you. And you want to support the US government taking more money from you? Look at those pictures again? Now think of a US marine standing in front of a truck with US citizens piled inside. That's what you are funding.

My wife is from Poland, I visited one of those Death Camps in Poland. In fact most of those Death Camps were built by slave labor in Poland directed by the conquering Germans, most of those people exterminated in those camps weren't German citizens, the Germans didn't have to invade Poland so they could have a site to kill their own citizens. About half the people killed in those Death camps were Jews, but if you categorize those populations differently, it is also true that half of those people killed in the Death Camps were Poles, many were also Jews, but they were still Poles as well. The Germans invaded Poland without provocation and then they built the Concentration Camps an started killing Poles and many other Europeans in them. I would suggest you read up on your World War II history. The Germans would not have had access to all those Europeans, if those European states had not cut their defense budgets so much because of the Great Depression! It is a mistake to think that Defense Spending is what causes wars, that is "Hippie Think!" Hippies tend t have this simplistic answer to what causes wars, they see a soldier in uniform with a gun and instead of seeing someone who is defending their rights and freedoms against a foreign aggressor, they see a warmonger intent on starting a war for his own enjoyment! Hippies were spoiled rotten after World War II, they were never taught what caused it, they mistook America's reaction to if for the cause of World War II! They figured that because we put a gun in a soldier's hand, that is why he was sent to Europe, forgetting there was something called the Enemy that started this War. Most Hippies weren't Poles. Most Poles realized that having an ill-equipped armed forces defending Poland did not stop the Germans from invading, most hippies in America embrace this dangerous myth!

A couple people told me the US government has secret trains hidden somewhere; passenger cars with handcuffs built into each seat. What do you think those are for?

Tomi Lahren likes to refer to American liberals as "snowflakes". You realize the term "snowflake" refers to a prisoner in a NAZI death camp. After they were burned, sometimes burned alive, in cremation ovens, their ashes would float up the chimney and come down as "snowflakes". When you call someone a "snowflake" you are threatening them with death in a NAZI death camp. That means you call yourself a NAZI.

Yet those "snowflakes" don't melt, ours do! What you are attempting here is guilt by association, because we happened to use the same word or phrase that might have been used by the Nazis, you try to label us as such. One could also perhaps label Eisenhower a Nazi, because he had a program to build highways just like the Nazis did in Germany before the war. All those Hippies driving around in Volkswagen Beetles and Campers could be called Nazis because they are driving "Nazi-mobiles" those cars were invented during the Hitler era in Nazi Germany, don't you know! This is guilt by association.

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#725 2017-03-19 06:13:46

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RobertDyck wrote:

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Those two in the middle picture aren't Republicans, the one on the left is Debbie Wasserman Shultz, I recognize her face! We're 20 trillion in debt because of the Democrats, the Republicans are only beginning to get to work, but they find it easier just to let the Democrats destroy the country as the have been doing. Republicans or at least the career Republicans don't like this responsibility, they do like their jobs and their perks however, so they won't willingly vacate their seats so some real Republicans can get to work on our Nation's problems

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