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martienne

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Re: Super-heavy Space Rocket Project in Russia(Successor to Buran/Energia)

Well it seems the drop in Oil price, and to some degree possibly sanctions put stop to Russia's latest space plans.

What a shame! Always something to derail things...   

Tom Kalbfus

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Re: Super-heavy Space Rocket Project in Russia(Successor to Buran/Energia)

Well it seems the drop in Oil price, and to some degree possibly sanctions put stop to Russia's latest space plans.

What a shame! Always something to derail things...   

Well he could always cancel his invasion of Ukraine and save some money there. Also bombers are quite expensive to operate, maybe he could stop violating our air space with them, cold wars are expensive you know, and Putin could save quite a but of money, if he would not have one with us! Russia doesn't need a cold war you know, and if he doesn't send those bombers to test our air defense responses, then nothing will happen to his country. I have to tell you, just think of all that maintenance those bombers require and all the jet fuel that is burned, then their are the ordinance crews, and all Putin does is order them to fly in circles to test our air defenses and those of our allies. Now honestly, what would happen if Putin stopped doing that? He would save some money that's what!

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martienne

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Re: Super-heavy Space Rocket Project in Russia(Successor to Buran/Energia)

Well it seems the drop in Oil price, and to some degree possibly sanctions put stop to Russia's latest space plans.

What a shame! Always something to derail things...   

Well he could always cancel his invasion of Ukraine and save some money there. Also bombers are quite expensive to operate, maybe he could stop violating our air space with them, cold wars are expensive you know, and Putin could save quite a but of money, if he would not have one with us! Russia doesn't need a cold war you know, and if he doesn't send those bombers to test our air defense responses, then nothing will happen to his country. I have to tell you, just think of all that maintenance those bombers require and all the jet fuel that is burned, then their are the ordinance crews, and all Putin does is order them to fly in circles to test our air defenses and those of our allies. Now honestly, what would happen if Putin stopped doing that? He would save some money that's what!

Russia is not invading Ukraine. You've got your head is filled of propaganda by people half a planet away, who have no idea what they are talking about. There is a civil war that was caused by a foreign-backed, illegal coup-d'etat.

Tragic as hell, but Russia did not start it and are not driving it (although nobody is denying that the odd overly patriotic Russian civilian may have travelled there - old European tradition to go and fight with your "brothers" - it's not anything Russia is doing officially).

Half of Russia has relatives in Ukraine and everybody is totally devastated at the situation.
And do you really think that Russia needs more territory? Seriously? And run-down mining district at that. Russia's already got more territories like that than it knows what to do with. It's going to cost a fortune to get that area up to Russian standards.

Finally - if Russia was really involved, the war would have been over in 2-3 days maximum. Most of the population would welcome it, and Ukraine's army is a joke.

Tom Kalbfus

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Re: Super-heavy Space Rocket Project in Russia(Successor to Buran/Energia)

Well it seems the drop in Oil price, and to some degree possibly sanctions put stop to Russia's latest space plans.

What a shame! Always something to derail things...   
Well he could always cancel his invasion of Ukraine and save some money there. Also bombers are quite expensive to operate, maybe he could stop violating our air space with them, cold wars are expensive you know, and Putin could save quite a but of money, if he would not have one with us! Russia doesn't need a cold war you know, and if he doesn't send those bombers to test our air defense responses, then nothing will happen to his country. I have to tell you, just think of all that maintenance those bombers require and all the jet fuel that is burned, then their are the ordinance crews, and all Putin does is order them to fly in circles to test our air defenses and those of our allies. Now honestly, what would happen if Putin stopped doing that? He would save some money that's what!

Russia is not invading Ukraine. You've got your head is filled of propaganda by people half a planet away, who have no idea what they are talking about. There is a civil war that was caused by a foreign-backed, illegal coup-d'etat.

Tragic as hell, but Russia did not start it and are not driving it (although nobody is denying that the odd overly patriotic Russian civilian may have travelled there - old European tradition to go and fight with your "brothers" - it's not anything Russia is doing officially).

Well your right about one thing, invading other European countries is an old European tradition, something most modern civilized European countries don't do anymore, all except Russia, which thinks it is Imperial Germany under the Kaiser or Hitler! Putin is acting like a 19th century despot in a world full of nuclear weapons! The Old Europe you are talking about is the Europe before World War II, before the United States was a military superpower! Back then European powers either defended themselves or tried to build Empires as they tried to follow in the footsteps of Napoleon.

Half of Russia has relatives in Ukraine and everybody is totally devastated at the situation.

They can stop any time, they can give back the territory they stole, particularly the Crimea, why don't they just stop and say it was all a mistake? Seems like a simple thing to do, and then they can end this silly Cold War they started, and stop flying those bombers they are circling into our air space. They ended one Cold War, why don't they end the second?

And do you really think that Russia needs more territory? Seriously? And run-down mining district at that. Russia's already got more territories like that than it knows what to do with. It's going to cost a fortune to get that area up to Russian standards.

I never said what Russia did was out of need, and Napoleon didn't need to conquer most of Europe either, but he did out of ambition! Putin wants to be Europe's next Napoleon, and Russians are spilling their guts for his glory! I think after a while, Russians will tire of losing their family members to Putin's military ambitions.

Finally - if Russia was really involved, the war would have been over in 2-3 days maximum. Most of the population would welcome it, and Ukraine's army is a joke.

Well why aren't they? Why is Russia putting up with sanctions? What Europe is asking in exchange for ending sanctions is quite reasonable, why doesn't Russia simply pull its troops out? As you say, Russia has lots of land. It can resettle all the ethnic Russians residing in Ukraine into Russia proper, pull out of Crimea and end the war in Ukraine. Seems to me that Obama is much more willing to pull out of countries than is Putin, after all we just pulled out of Iraq!

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Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Super-heavy Space Rocket Project in Russia(Successor to Buran/Energia)

Russia's Space Program Is In Big Trouble
https://www.wired.com/story/russias-spa … g-trouble/

Crippled by war and sanctions, Russia now faces evidence that its already-struggling space program is falling apart. In the past three months alone, Roscosmos has scrambled to resolve two alarming incidents. First, one of its formerly dependable Soyuz spacecraft sprang a coolant leak. Then the same thing happened on one of its Progress cargo ships. The civil space program's Soviet predecessor launched the first person into orbit, but with the International Space Station (ISS) nearing the end of its life, Russia's space agency is staring into the abyss.

"What we're seeing is the continuing demise of the Russian civil space program," says Bruce McClintock, a former defense attache at the US embassy in Moscow and current head of the Space Enterprise Initiative of the Rand Corporation, a nonprofit research organization. Around 10 years ago, Russian leaders chose to prioritize the country's military space program -- which focuses on satellite and anti-satellite technologies -- over its civilian one, McClintock says, and it shows.

Russia's space fleet is largely designed to be expendable. The history of its series of Soyuz rockets and crew capsules (they both have the same name) dates back to the Soviet era, though they've gone through upgrades since. Its Progress cargo vessels also launch atop Soyuz rockets. The cargo ships, crewed ships, and rockets are all single-use spacecraft. Anatoly Zak, creator and publisher of the independent publication RussianSpaceWeb, estimates that Roscosmos launches about two Soyuz vehicles per year, takes about 1.5 to 2 years to build each one, and doesn't keep a substantial standing fleet.

While Roscosmos officials did not respond to interview requests, the agency has been public about its recent technical issues.

graphics websites

manned mars orbiting spacecraft
https://www.simplerockets.com/c/b460sR/ … spacecraft

A breathtaking photo of Buran flying piggyback on the Antonov An-225 Mriya during the flight from Baikonur to Kyiv, to then attend the 1989 Paris Air Show.
https://twitter.com/11K25_Energia/statu … 4506571776

Both vehicles have since been destroyed.

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