North Korea - Well, someone had to start. . .

CalTech2010 · 2003-01-03 22:58:21

Why does everyone think the Axis of Evil statement was a bad idea? If he hadn't come out and said who the US has their beef with, it would have looked like we're going willy-nilly declaring war on everyone we don't like. He named 3 specific countries that have been a thorn in America's side for the last 30 years, and made it apparent that if they don't co-operate, they will come under our wrath. That way, if and when we go to war, we can say that this wasn't an impulsive battle.

Anyone want to take bets on that chance?

Sure. I'll match Echus_Chasma's $10 on not pulling out. I'll even throw in another $5 that says this administration doesn't sign a non-aggression treaty either.

Cobra Commander · 2003-01-03 23:24:24

Why does everyone think the Axis of Evil statement was a bad idea? ... He named 3 specific countries that have been a thorn in America's side for the last 30 years, and made it apparent that if they don't co-operate, they will come under our wrath. That way, if and when we go to war, we can say that this wasn't an impulsive battle.

That works if the intent is to go to war. Unfortunately, it complicates diplomatic efforts. It's like walking up to someone in a bar and threatening to kick their ass, then trying to talk them down when they get ready to fight.

CalTech2010 · 2003-01-03 23:27:46

Don't you think it's more like a big, burley guy walking up to a short emotionally-unstable man and asking him to put his gun down because you already warned him once?

Cobra Commander · 2003-01-03 23:31:50

Don't you think it's more like a big, burley guy walking up to a short emotionally-unstable man and asking him to put his gun down because you already warned him once?

In that case, better not to warn him at all.

Or find another bar

Bill White · 2003-01-05 20:10:34

I for one am completely against giving them anything outright, it gives the impression that we're acting from weakness. We can still allow fuel and food in through third parties, either working as intermediaries for us or simply letting the North Koreans buy them on the global market. We just shouldn't make a "fuel and food for cessation of weapons program" deal.
While a non-aggression pact of some type can be useful in this situation, the real key is to make the North Korean government sincerely believe that if they cooperate they'll be okay, if they resist they'll be eliminated. This doesn't have to be done in a humiliating fashion. It would be best if we could help the North Koreans save face while they backed down. The best solution is a treaty that gives them the appearance of a settlement negotiated on equal terms that benefits them, while still having the unspoken threat of massive force if its terms are not meant

Precisely right - Only IMHO - of course.

CalTech2010 · 2003-01-08 15:25:40

Hey clark! You might as well pay up the $5 for the concessions treaty. The Bush administration has promised NOT to us concessions as a bargaining chip. And the US says it doesn't want to fight with the North Koreans. Good thing for me we didn't have any bets about the invasion being a bluff (oh, that's right... I've been telling you guys that all along)

soph · 2003-01-08 15:51:27

nobody said there would be an invasion...

George H · 2003-01-08 15:53:18

Hey clark! You might as well pay up the $5 for the concessions treaty. The Bush administration has promised NOT to us concessions as a bargaining chip. And the US says it doesn't want to fight with the North Koreans. Good thing for me we didn't have any bets about the invasion being a bluff (oh, that's right... I've been telling you guys that all along)

Lol! How silly.

George H · 2003-01-08 15:56:54

nobody said there would be an invasion...

It's not WHAT you say but what Cal THINKS you said. And if he thinks you said it, you said it. Judge, jury, executioner.

CalTech2010 · 2003-01-08 21:15:47

Wow. I really screwed that one up. I have several previous bets with the President Bush board, and I blended the two here. I meant to say that the invasion of Iraq was a bluff. My apologies, soph.

Palomar · 2003-03-05 08:00:09

*NK warhead found in Alaska:

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage....970.htm

--Cindy

Cobra Commander · 2003-03-08 21:36:39

*NK warhead found in Alaska:
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage....970.htm

Now that is interesting.

Regarding the mention of a pre-emptive strike on the reactor:
Pyongyang: We'll put a torch to New York

Saber rattling. That's what nukes are for ???

Palomar · 2004-09-12 08:02:43

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s … =716]Large explosion in N. Korea

*2-mile-wide plume of smoke. Also:

"We understand that a mushroom-shaped cloud about 3.5 to 4 kilometers (2.1 to 2.5 miles) in diameter was monitored during the explosion," the source in Seoul told Yonhap.

Actually there've been 2 blasts, with seismic activity related to each.

Powell says: "There was no indication that was a nuclear event of any kind. Exactly what it was, we're not sure,"

Yeah, that's reassuring. He's beginning to sound like ol' Rummy.

--Cindy

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-09-21 08:04:20

an old topic worth looking at again with geopolitical changes

Saudi Arabia will develop nuclear weapons if Iran gets ahold of one, crown prince warns
https://nypost.com/2023/09/20/saudi-ara … nce-warns/

Putin and Kim meet at Vostochny Cosmodrome, North Korean leader vows 'full support' to Russia
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/ … -13-892422

Belarus is not ready to use nuclear weapons, but it is training – Defence Intelligence chief
https://news.yahoo.com/belarus-not-read … 22756.html

The Axis thing does not have the same ring to it anymore, while Bush junior helped cover up those 28 pages for the Saudi the original "axis of evil" originally referred to Iran, Iraq, and North Korea, then one of the Kim's Blew a Nuke so it was expanded upon by NeoCons and later included more nations including Cuba, Libya, and Syria, a guy William Martel wanted to include Venezuela but was unsure after the death of Chavez, a bunch of Greeny Socialist Leftwing Green Party types of of Canada then dubbed Australia, Canada and United States, the "Axis of Environmental Evil" Paul Krugman joined in on pollution and climate and then argued "there's a new axis of evil: Russia, Saudi Arabia—and the United States", the islamo Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan that does not care for people of Armenia and bombs Iraq, he started ranting and accused Greece, Cyprus, Egypt, France and the United Arab Emirates of forming an "alliance of evil".

North Korea seems to be looking for Russia's new-ish technology.

Saudi culture and Pakistan culture will typically stab the USA in the back with a sneak attack while Iran is more open with its jihadi islamist nonsense openly screaming 'Death to America' or 'Death to Israel' like a islamic lunatic from the 6th century

The Saudis and Pakistan get some of the USA's and Europe's best technology despite being involved in 9-11 and hiding bin Laden.

South Korea's Yoon warns against Russia-North Korea military cooperation and plans to discuss at UN
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/sout … 12989.html

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