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#601 2020-12-29 16:53:33

SpaceNut
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Registered: 2004-07-22
Posts: 28,820

Re: Housekeeping

This will get the Not Verified message

unban has been performed starting at 969 up to Id 990 and counter reset

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#602 2020-12-29 18:23:12

tahanson43206
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Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re #601

Thanks for the list showing unverified accounts in addition to all the others.

I get a grand total of 19634 accounts, assuming the standard pagination of 50.

It seems possible (this is just a first impression) that perhaps some of the duplicate emails you're seeing occasionally may be due to the unverified accounts, which I have not been able to see until now.

At the rate of 22 accounts per day, that's going to take 2 1/2 Earth years to complete.

Good Grief!

If you feel up to it, please consider banning all the unverified applications for accounts.

I don't know if that will make them visible in the main User list, but it should allow them to show up in the banned list.

As an experiment, you could start with one account, to see what happens.

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#603 2020-12-29 18:44:09

SpaceNut
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Registered: 2004-07-22
Posts: 28,820

Re: Housekeeping

I was able to note the user %forum_nick% could be moved from the admin user list to the banned list and to the public by a group change function to newly registered and it now shows up...
verified that the "Total number of registered users: 16,494" stayed the same....
Did the same for this username 3aplus63Raf and stopped after getting it into the public list as well.

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#604 2020-12-29 20:08:31

tahanson43206
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Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re ID's recovery ...

First, thanks for moving those two ID's from Unverified to Banned!

The experiment was a complete success!  I changed the names to Test format, and now the count of ID's increased from 16,494 to 16,496!

That is pretty neat!

It means that we have the full count of 19K+Id's available to be converted for use, and it also means it's going to take the full 2 1/2 Earth years to accomplish the transition, unless an automated system arrives on the scene, which certainly could happen, but I'm not counting on it.

It seems to me a program would be needed and not just a script, because the program would need to keep track of the current TestID#####, in addition to performing various checks along the way.

Python could probably handle the job fairly easily, but (to the best of my knowledge) we have no one in the group who is conversant with Python.

I know enough to know that Python is a powerful language that a younger person would do well to study.

I think it's going to be around for a while.

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#605 2020-12-30 06:58:34

tahanson43206
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Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re ID's recovery

This is a request for your assistance with one ID ... I tried to replicate your success with the Not Verified ID's but did not succeed.

TestID00993 is now hung up ... it shows as banned, but it is NOT showing up as registered

I'll continue in the normal way with 994-1000 and let you know when those are ready for unbanning.

This ID was Aaron47846 ... it was changed to TestID00993 and Banned

It shows up in the ALL list as TestID00993 and banned, but it does NOT show up in the users table list.

There must be something special about the Administrator's touch ... I would appreciate your looking at it.

TestID00993 - Essentials
User activity
Registered: 2019-12-25 (69.46.25.157)
Last post: Never
Last visit: 2019-12-25 02:51:08
Posts: 0 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions

The count of registered users remains 16,496

There must have been something about the sequence that worked correctly.

You started the sequence by banning the ID's you chose for the experiment.
Following your initial step, the count of users remained 16,494.

I followed up by applying the normal rename procedure, and the ID's showed up in the registered list as 16,496.

Perhaps if you unban TestID00993 it will become "registered"

***
Today we reached a milestone ... 1000+ ID's have been recovered!  991-1013 are ready to be unbanned

Please see what you can do with TestID00993

I will (apparently) have to wait for you to process the Not Verified ID's ... sorry to have to ask for your assistance

The count of registered users remains 16,496
The count of banned ID pages remains 58

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#606 2020-12-30 10:37:30

SpaceNut
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Posts: 28,820

Re: Housekeeping

Did the unban for ids 990 ish through to 01013 with 993 not showing up after unban....
Went back in with the admin user list for the id993 and changed the user group to newly registered and it shows up now in the public user list.

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#607 2020-12-30 11:09:00

tahanson43206
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Posts: 17,005

Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re #606

First, thanks for the unbans through 1013! 

Second, thanks for investigating that pesky 993 !!!

Please advise on how you want to proceed with the Not Verified ID's ...

It appears I can't carry out all the steps needed ...

We ** know ** that if you do the initial steps, I can perform the rename, and then you can perform the unban.

If you prefer, I can do as much as I can, and notify you of pending "invisible" items like 993.

That way, you'd only have to visit an ID once.

Please let me know ....

We have multiple thousands of ID's to process, so the less work for you the better, I would think.

22 ID's per day seems about right, from my perspective. 

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#608 2020-12-30 20:58:39

tahanson43206
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Posts: 17,005

Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re ID Recovery project ...

I am still looking for information about how a person moves from unverified to one of the verified groups ...

However, I found this today, and it suggests there only a small number of possible states the user records could be in ...

// Define a few commonly used constants
define('PUN_UNVERIFIED', 0);
define('PUN_ADMIN', 1);
define('PUN_MOD', 2);
define('PUN_GUEST', 3);
define('PUN_MEMBER', 4);

The Guest status above would apply to a login, so perhaps that should not be considered a possible state for a user record.

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#609 2020-12-30 21:08:15

SpaceNut
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Registered: 2004-07-22
Posts: 28,820

Re: Housekeeping

The guest is closed on this forum and removed from the group list but I am thinking that since I have seen the admin pages for these that more could be made but have not delved into that much so as to keep everything stable until we get all of the missing posts back...

I did alter the message invite panel in the requiting topic a bit...
will see how many characters it can have tomorrow....

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#610 2020-12-30 21:24:21

tahanson43206
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Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re #609

Thanks for clarifying that Guest was a "real" mode at one time. 

Is the change you made visible?  I looked at the Register page and saw nothing new there.

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#611 2020-12-30 22:07:39

SpaceNut
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Registered: 2004-07-22
Posts: 28,820

Re: Housekeeping

Message is now in place...It gets the clearing house to vetting the person that wants to contribute

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#612 2020-12-31 07:38:33

tahanson43206
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Posts: 17,005

Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re #611 .... Congratulations on your new Announcement text at the top of the Index page.

Thanks too for your follow up message via NewMarsMember * gmail.com! 

It's New Year's Even on Earth .... This is a time for optimism and hope that 2021 will bring at least one new contributing member to the NewMars forum.

I am grateful to be a part of the knowledgeable and creative group assembled here, and look forward to progress by members on multiple fronts during the coming year.

Among the most pressing needs (from my perspective) is to find out how to solidify contributions so they can become permanent resources for future Mars settlers.  The Mars Wiki has potential to serve that role, and perhaps a pathway toward making edits there will open.

The work of recovering ID's should continue throughout the coming Earth year .... if your stamina holds up for that entire period, we should see 8030 ID's recovered.  Along the way, we are sure to find more members from 2001-2008 whose contributions are worth bringing back into view.

Best wishes to all for success in your endeavors in 2021!

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#613 2020-12-31 08:51:19

tahanson43206
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Posts: 17,005

Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re ID's recovery project ...
This post is reserved for today's batch: Through 1034

Total number of registered users: 16,496
Total number of topics: 7,492
Total number of posts: 171,492

The total number of registered users will increase over time, as lost ID's are recovered. The grand total should exceed 19,000 at some point.

Of those thousands, only a few are "real" people.  The vast majority are spam ID's created primarily by our friends from Russia, or Ukraine, or Moldova.

As we go through this review and recovery, we are finding members from 2001 and later whose posts deserve another viewing, or at least mention in the current flow.

Edit #1: Worth review?

aO4FChpFs1 - Essentials
Registered: 2017-05-06 (95.65.79.205)
Last post: Never
Last visit: 2017-05-06 16:40:23
Posts: 0 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions
Admin note: IP is from Chisinau, Moldova

I recommend reviewing this ID to see if it might have been spam.

Edit #2:


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#614 2020-12-31 10:15:24

SpaceNut
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Registered: 2004-07-22
Posts: 28,820

Re: Housekeeping

Checking the IP in the admin shows 3 pages of users on that same IP which we know can not happen all that is needed to do is check for posts on each before converting....

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#615 2020-12-31 10:40:42

tahanson43206
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Posts: 17,005

Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re #614

Thanks for your follow up on my question about the ID from Moldova .... Do you have a tool that would allow you to ban all those ID's from that city?

I'm content to chug along working with banned ID's.  With 3,000 in the queue, it will be a while before they are exhausted.

What I ** can ** do is look up IP's on a Linux system, when the ID name looks suspicious.

Edit#1:  Here is an interesting visitor from days gone by:

Apollo - Essentials

User activity
Registered: 2006-01-25 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2006-01-25 23:40:21
Last visit: 2006-01-25 17:55:06
Posts: 3 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions
Admin note: Only one day ... three posts ... impatient

Edit#2: Here's a visitor from relatively recently that (probably) is worth a follow up email

Aquarius - Essentials

User activity
Registered: 2017-06-25 (94.39.88.134)
Last post: 2017-06-25 16:34:18
Last visit: 2017-06-25 16:34:21
Posts: 1 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions
Admin note: Master's student asking for help

Edit#3: Here's a member who goes all the way back to 2002 and Administrator Adrian ... conversation is about rendering in browsers

arafel - Essentials
User activity
Registered: 2002-06-03 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2002-06-04 19:24:42
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00
Posts: 2 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions
Admin note: Content about browsers CA 2002

Today's batch through 1034 is ready for unbanning!

Total number of registered users: 16,497
Total number of topics: 7,492
Total number of posts: 171,502

We picked up an ID in the Registered list!  Bravo!


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#616 2020-12-31 11:18:34

SpaceNut
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Posts: 28,820

Re: Housekeeping

That was the banned names for that ip....

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#617 2020-12-31 16:09:08

SpaceNut
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Registered: 2004-07-22
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Re: Housekeeping

Unban 1014 to 1034 complete now in cellphone mode

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#618 2020-12-31 19:48:08

tahanson43206
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Posts: 17,005

Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re #617

Thanks for taking care of the latest batch!

Just FYI ... in honor of New Years Day on Earth, I'm thinking about working the Not Verified list tomorrow ...

I apologize in advance for the extra work this would impose on you, but there is no hurry for when you perform your finishing touches. I'm motivated by the opportunity to increase the "Registered User" count, now that we know it is possible.

If you would prefer I ** not ** do this, I'll check for instructions before starting work tomorrow.

(th)

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#619 2021-01-01 06:30:56

tahanson43206
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Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re ID's recovery project

This post is reserved for today's batch from 1035-1056

In addition, I'm planning to experiment again with trying to bring back the "lost" ID's (Not Verified)

The strategy I have in mind is limited by the capabilities given to a Moderator ... It appears I can "ban" them, which (apparently) creates a record in the bans table. I'm not clear (yet) on whether the procedure also updates the user record itself.  It may not ... it may require an Administrator to do that.

At the start of today's session we have:
Total number of registered users: 16,497
Total number of topics: 7,492
Total number of posts: 171,538
Total pages of banned ID's 57
Total pages of users table: 393

Test procedure:
TestID01035 was created with a Not Verified ID and banned
The ID is no longer visible in the Users table
The ID showed up in the Banned table
I'll complete all of today's batch using this procedure

*** ID's 1035-1056 are reading for unbanning. They are all visible in the bans table.

After these are unbanned, the Registered User table count should increase.

(th)

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#620 2021-01-01 13:19:30

SpaceNut
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Registered: 2004-07-22
Posts: 28,820

Re: Housekeeping

Unban of its 01035 to 01056 and after the group change are now in the userlist

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#621 2021-01-01 14:04:43

tahanson43206
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Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re #620

Thank you for taking care of those (formerly lost) ID's!!!

They show up in the Registered User list just fine, after your finishing touches.

Because it takes a bit more time to process these, I'm not planning to do them every day.

However, it does appear you can handle them ok, although it sounds as though there is an extra step needed.

One surprise (for me for sure) was that the count of registered users did not change.  It is still 16.497.

Apparently being in the "lost" (Not Verified) category does not mean they are not counted as "registered".

***
I won't add a post to the New Tech topic for this ... just a note of appreciation for contributing to the discussion of the new hardware design. I hope it eventually moves out of the development phase where it is now, but there is a ** lot ** of work ahead, to prove that theory will work with actual hardware!

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#622 2021-01-02 07:54:43

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Re: Housekeeping

This post is reserved for today's batch of ID's.

The NewMarsMember * gmail.com account was empty when visited yesterday.

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#623 2021-01-02 10:23:50

SpaceNut
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Re: Housekeeping

That just means we are still being visited by bots and not people yet. I need to post the announcement to get the word out.

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#624 2021-01-02 11:40:23

tahanson43206
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Re: Housekeeping

For SpaceNut re #623

The registered members of the forum can help by asking their local newspapers and online news sources to publish the notice you come up with.

Even guests of the forum who are interested in helping but do not necessarily want to engage at the level of registration can help, once you decide on the format of the advertisement you want to publish.  Whatever text you decide upon needs to be approved by Dr. Zubrin (or an alternative with equivalent authority).

From having just listened to Dr. Zubrin's closing remarks (Video with current focus) I am confident he would appreciate your asking for approval of outreach wording.  The announcement could be short like your existing announcement at the top of the home page for the forum, but I think it needs a few more words to show connection to the Mars Society and its global mission.

This is a repeat but since it is part of the current day's review, here it is again

arafel - Essentials
User activity
Registered: 2002-06-03 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2002-06-04 19:24:42
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00
Posts: 2 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions

arafel posted about browser behavior in 2002, and never posted again.  This iD might be worth a ping, to see what's happened in 19 Earth years.

Here is a member from 2004 with 46 posts ...

Arccos - Essentials
User activity
Registered: 2004-01-07 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2004-12-27 05:10:06
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00
Posts: 46 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions

All posts by this member are about Unmanned Probes

From 2004 in Terraformation » Is NASA Already Terra-Forming Mars? - Could Be... » 2004-02-21 00:32:31

ArchAngel432 - Essentials
User activity
Registered: 2004-02-21 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2004-02-21 00:32:31
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00

archiebald - Essentials
Enter your username and password
User activity
Registered: 2003-03-16 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2003-03-24 05:24:19
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00
Posts: 7 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions

This visitor from 2003 appears to have gotten into a flame war of some kind.


This visitor from 2012 was focused on the Moon.

Re: Interplanetary transportation » SpaceX Dragon spacecraft for low cost trips to the Moon. » 2012-02-06 21:15:50

JoshNH4H engaged with ARD

ARD - Essentials

User activity
Registered: 2012-01-16 (173.3.45.50)
Last post: 2012-02-06 21:15:50
Last visit: 2012-08-06 20:24:41
Posts: 3 - Show all topics - Show all posts - Show all subscriptions

Here is a member who participated over 7 months, starting in 2002

Ares - Essentials
Registered: 2002-06-12
Last post: 2003-01-16

This member seems to have been most interested in the economy, politics and ?religions? on Mars
The messages descend into Crash chaos .. I'm not sure they're worth retrieving.

Here is a member from 2005 with 1 post

Arobie - Essentials
User activity
Registered: 2005-06-04 (0.0.0.0)
Last post: 2005-06-04 14:27:59
Last visit: 1969-12-31 20:00:00

Interesting (to me at least) .... Arobie is asking Adrian about the Wiki

Out of curiosity, I'm going to the post to see how Adrian replied ...

Ho ho!  Here is a reply from James Burk ...

For historical purposes and as part of modernizing & building out Marspedia.org:
I have restored the New Mars Wiki! - wiki.newmars.com

Right now, creating new user accounts are turned off to prevent spam, but let me know if you want me to set one up for you.

Enjoy!

James Burk | Webmaster & IT Director | The Mars Society
jburk@marssociety.org  |  +1 (206) 601-7143

OK SpaceNut ... it appears to be up to you to respond to James Burk ...

The members I'd like to see able to post would include (if they are willing of course):

kbd512
GW Johnson
Elderflower
Oldfart1939
Calliban

Others?  It's time to get this more permanent knowledge storage option running, or at least walking!

Void .... your contributions are so creative, I hesitate to imagine they would qualify for permanent storage for future Mars settlers ... what do you think?

It will (probably) take years to curate the content of the forum archives into a form suitable for a permanent resource for future Mars settlers.

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ID's 1057-1078 are ready for unbanning

I noticed that the Registered Users count increased from 16,497 to 16,519! You've been busy!  Bravo!

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#625 2021-01-02 17:24:18

SpaceNut
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Posts: 28,820

Re: Housekeeping

Nice to see a wiki page thou I think it's not all there just yet
Will explore more when my computer is live again.

Performed unban on id's 1057 through 1078 and reset posts counts.

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