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#1 2019-04-29 17:54:39

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Claimed wrong doings of previous administration not Trump

Did former Secretary of State Clinton go to jail for theft of classified material and destroying evidence after it was subpoenaed by the FBI?

Did former President Obama go to jail for knowingly communicating with the former Secretary of State over a non-secure E-mail server?

Did former IRS employee Lerner go to jail for interfering with the process of granting tax-exempt status for groups that were from the opposite political party?

Did former AG Holder go to jail for lying to Congress about what he knew about Operation Fast and Furious after the BATFE lost track of guns that they permitted to be sold to drug traffickers who later used those guns to murder a US Border Patrol agent?

Did former FBI Director Comey and Deputy Director McCabe go to jail for leaking classified counter-intelligence investigation material to the press?

Did anyone involved in the FISA warrant application process go to jail for using falsified political opposition research as "evidence" that President Trump "colluded" with the Russians to "steal" the 2016 Presidential election?

When all those people go to jail for the crimes that we actually have hard evidence to support indictment of, then we can think about bringing charges against President Trump for the crime of winning a Presidential election.

Former President Obama said that Republicans should stop complaining about the election results and go out and win some votes.  A Republican did just that.  Now Democrats want to impeach that Republican because, much to their chagrin, he actually won, and they can't charge him with a crime after three separate investigations concluded that no such evidence exists to support criminal charges.

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#2 2019-05-02 20:23:35

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In true Trumpian form Lindsey Graham uses Barr hearing to rant about Hillary; admits he hasn't read Mueller report

FBI agent Peter Strzok, who led the investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server
“There was a protective order for the server issued by the House and there was a request by the State Department to preserve all the information on the server.

Paul Combetta, after having the protective order, used a software program called BleachBit to wipe this email server clean,” Graham said.

“Eighteen devices possessed by Secretary Clinton she used to do business as secretary. How many of them were turned over to the FBI? None. Two of them couldn’t be turned over because Judith Casper took a hammer and destroyed two of them.

Seems other did the dirty work....

Graham began his opening statement by showing his copy of the partially redacted Mueller report.
“Can’t say I’ve read it all, but I’ve read most of it,” Graham said.
Graham then proceeded to lie about the report that he had not fully read.

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#3 2019-05-02 21:30:32

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SpaceNut,

The Democrats' attempts to politicize the laws of this country and to weaponize our judicial system against their political opponents have failed spectacularly.  When Mueller testifies before Congress, exactly as AG Barr already has, the Democrats will start attacking him as well.  The Democrats' attempts to avert attention away from their blatant criminality continue to fail miserably.  It's quite a spectacle to behold.

Your favorite political partisans continue proving to the entire world why it is that they're unfit to hold the offices that they hold.  Call President Trump and other Republicans as many names as you wish, but this sham is over.  The inevitable reckoning for this entire sordid affair is already under way.  Prepare yourselves for another 4 years of President Trump.

It really is too bad that so many people are so partisan in nature that they'll completely overlook so many obvious violations of our laws, just to get the political outcomes that they desire.  What we're seeing is a complete failure of character on the part of the Democrats.  Their house of cards is crashing down around them.

Next time, tell your elected Democrat Party representatives to stop lying their sorry rear ends off, to do their j-o-b-s, and to accept the results of our elections process- whether they agree with it or not.  Their constant lies, blatant criminality, and absurd attempts to distract attention from the crimes they've committed will no longer be tolerated by the American people.

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#4 2019-08-07 16:34:39

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Judge tosses charge against former Obama WH counsel Greg Craig a blow to the Justice Department's efforts this year to prosecute foreign lobbying violations as criminal acts.

Jackson threw out a charge that accused Craig of making a criminal false statement by omitting information about his work for a foreign government on a letter sent to the Justice Department in 2013.

"A scheme offense must be based on active falsification or concealment, and not merely passivity or silence," she added, citing previous court cases about false statements.

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#5 2019-10-19 16:34:21

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The words of comey were that there were no charges to be brought and now we have a final report...
As research previously its the sender and software which did not function as required for purpose of security.
The State Department's investigation of Hillary Clinton's use of private email found violations by 38 people cited for violations in Hillary Clinton email probe. Although the report identified violations, it said investigators had found "no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate for Hillary Clinton is Cleared of Mishandling Classified Information.

After 3-Year Private Email Probe, Trump So Far Silent. The finding by the U.S. State Department, released on Friday by Republican Senator Chuck Grassley's office, follows a three-year investigation, for which Clinton handed over roughly 33,000 emails.
The Justice Department's inspector general also said that FBI specialists had not found evidence that the server was hacked.

Despite that, 38 unidentified people were said to be "culpable" in 91 cases after sending classified information which made its way to Clinton's personal email.

Those cases were part of 588 violations that were found from the 33,000 emails, however, fault could not be determined in the remaining 497 cases.

Assertions of wrongdoing had been a major cornerstone of President Donald Trump's 2016 election campaign—with repeated chants and demands to "lock up crooked Hillary"—however, Trump made no mention of the findings on Friday.

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#6 2019-12-07 19:36:26

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kbd512 wrote:

SpaceNut,

If the Democrats ever cared about our Constitution or following our laws, then it's not at all apparent from the pervasive lawlessness of the Obama administration.

Googled
Like this fake news article by a Russian....https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/02/obama-administration-lawlessness-the-top-five/

The most frequent question I get about my book “Lawless: The Obama Administration’s Unprecedented Assault on the Constitution and the Rule of Law” is what I think are the administration’s most egregiously lawless actions.

Same quote applies to Trump and many of the GOP these days.

Refusing to comply with the War Powers Act when bombing Libya (and later the Islamic State).

Issi is still active and causing terror even today so He did not go far enough to route out this group...

The Constitution quite clearly precludes the District of Columbia from having a voting representative in Congress.

The district is not a state unto itself and should be not considered as one until it applies for statehood.

The bailout and bankruptcies of Chrysler and GM. Obama appointed a car czar who essentially ran GM for months, with no statutory authority to do so. Under the Constitution, any such czar should have been, but wasn’t, subject to Senate confirmation and congressional oversight.

Recievership with no congressional selection sounds quite firmilar appointments from people that were already through that selection process for other posts.

Failing to prosecute anyone at the IRS for the 501(c)(4) scandal. That the IRS put its massive bureaucratic thumb on the scales against conservative activist groups is one of the great political scandals in recent U.S. history. When the news first broke, President Obama properly declared that he “will not tolerate this kind of behavior in any agency but especially in the IRS, given the power that it has and the reach that it has into all of our lives.” But tolerate it his administration did.

So the tax law was written incorrectly and IRS personnel were fired...

Refusing to enforce Obamacare provisions when they were politically inconvenient. This sets a precedent for future presidents to refuse to enforce statutes they find distasteful or politically inconvenient. The dangers can’t be overstated.

The use of the pen to change a law just because you do not like it to erode the ability to be able to pay for health care rather than going without and being penalized when you can not afford it let along meet the filing requirement for income to file your tax return...

Of course the bailout and a few other programs as drafted worked against the poeple as the corrupt CEO's and others got off without any charges for the lost funds and mismanagement let along spending the money on things not needed to fix the companies...

Much the same as the cash for clunkers pick which was to get the auto industry going by building new cars, to bad the homework for the mileage that these auto makers had was not researched before putting it into law with a pen....

https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=news&id=1225

Agencies under the presidents command to enact what there wishes are? Sounds firmilar...

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#7 2019-12-07 20:50:13

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SpaceNut,

First off, what in the hell is the "Volokh Conspiracy"?

I'm not interested in reading about any conspiracy theories, so I'll leave it up to you to explain that one.

Second, if the Republicans ever did any of the things that the Democrats did to them during former President Obama's time in office, they'd lose whatever small piece of their minds that they still have left.  Pelosi is still talking about Nixon, despite the fact that the man has been dead for more than a quarter of a century.

Finally, if the Democrat Party can come up with an excuse as to why it was permissible for them to break the law, no matter who was involved nor how egregious the violation was, then their supporters and media mouthpieces are certain to swallow it whole- hook, line, and sinker.  That's why so many "news" agencies (not sure there are any of those left, actually) have been caught dead-to-rights printing things that later turn out to be complete partisan political fabrications with no basis in reality, with the result that many of their so-called "news reporters" were subsequently fired or demoted to ambulance chasers.

We're here in a thread that's not supposed to be about President Trump, but that's all his detractors can talk about, as if somehow that excuses the lawlessness of the previous administration.

Seriously though, what is it about that one man- who is, after all, just one man, who used to be a Democrat and still is a traditional / non radical leftist / socialist Democrat in most respects, that causes his fellow Democrats to suffer from complete breaks with objective reality?

Is it because he decided to put the "R" instead of the "D" after his name?

He gets 24/7 news coverage as if there's nothing else going on in the world.

Is he the most important person on the planet?

Is it because there's nothing else of note going on in the "news" media's little world?

Is it because all of their blatant partisan lying and proselytizing hasn't had any affect on anyone's opinion, splattering the absurd argument that the Russians somehow caused Americans to vote for President Trump all over the ground, along with the rest of their pack of lies?

I actually feel sad that there's nothing else more important than him going on in their lives.  That must be a pretty miserable existence.

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#8 2019-12-08 19:04:48

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Goggled information for funding to democrats from foriegn sources...
The lobbists in foriegn countries send money but they ask for no favor in return for donating to any campaign,
The reciever of the funds did not make and request for funds in favor of doing something for them.
Captured links that my computer had trouble with stability with....so will comment later on..

https://www.nationalreview.com/2010/10/ … y-murdock/
https://www.politifact.com/arizona/stat … treat-wom/
https://maplight.org/story/foreign-lobb … elections/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … story.html
https://www.factcheck.org/2010/10/foreign-money-really/

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#9 2019-12-08 19:36:17

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SpaceNut,

If you expect me to believe that foreigners give tens of millions of dollars of their money to our political candidates, irrespective of political party, with no expectation of anything in return, then I think you're either insulting everyone's intelligence or are displaying a level of naivety rivaling anything a small child might believe in.  Furthermore, you have no way of knowing what was or wasn't requested for the money that was "donated" because our politicians don't hold press conferences to discuss the legalized bribes they've taken.  Try asking a few of them why they took the money and if anything was requested for it, and they'll shut that line of questioning down so fast your head will spin.  Their "ownership" is a private arrangement between the people they've taken money from and them, not us, the peons who are dumb enough to vote for them.

I can tell you that nobody else EVER simply "donates" money to anyone else in the world of business unless something illegal is going on.  You don't get "gifts" of hundreds of millions of dollars for absolutely nothing at all.  Anyone who believes otherwise is pretty dense.

RosAtom didn't "donate" over $100M of their money to the Clinton Foundation because they weren't getting anything in return.  Strangely, a few short months later, they magically received a little over 20% of our Uranium, which "disappeared" into an Eastern European country and couldn't be tracked after that point- a transfer that had to be signed off by our State Department BY LAW.  I'm absolutely certain that the head of the State Department at that time was just completely unaware of what was going on.  There's no connection that's even possible.  It was all just one magical gigantic coincidence.

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#10 2019-12-22 17:35:12

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kbd512 wrote:

SpaceNut,

The President has the right to deny transfer of American money to foreign entities any time he believes those entities are corrupt or have used American money for illegal purposes.  Your Democrats' own former Vice President Biden bragged about threatening to refuse transfer of American money to Ukraine if their prosecutor didn't stop investigating the suspected criminal enterprise that his son was being paid by.  Despite your caterwauling about the fact that the gravy train of kickbacks in the form of foreign money for your Democrats is coming to an end in some small way, they were never entitled to that money.  If you want to help end the corruption, then stop carrying water for criminals who are abusing their offices for personal gain.

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#11 2019-12-22 19:33:20

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The facts behind Trump’s bogus accusations about Biden and Ukraine

Trump claims Biden threatened Ukraine to aid his son’s business interests. The facts suggest otherwise.

The evidence suggests Biden actually may have placed his son in legal danger by advocating for the prosecutor’s removal because he was widely accused of stymying anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine — replacing him could have led to further investigations into a company Hunter Biden had ties to. Hunter Biden joined the board of a Ukrainian company while it was under investigation where Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases.

The conspiracy is that Joe Biden strong-armed the Ukrainian government to fire its top prosecutor in order to thwart an investigation into a company tied to his son, Hunter Biden. Trump asserts that Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office. Reality was Biden used U.S. aid as "a stick to move Ukraine forward," Kupchan said. "He was acting alongside our European allies. Everybody was of a single mind that this prosecutor was not the right guy for the job."

Biden has boasted about his role in getting Shokin fired. During a 2018 speech at the Council on Foreign Relations, he said he withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees for Ukraine in order to force the government to address the problem with its top prosecutor.

"I looked at them and said: 'I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.

As you see no request was made to stop investigation of son to get money as the team of European allies were in favor of the action.

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#12 2019-12-22 20:26:16

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SpaceNut,

What alternative explanation do you have to explain why Burisma would pay someone without 1 day of experience in the oil and gas industry, by Hunter Biden's own admission, more to sit on their board of directors than a director makes at Exxon?

Apart from my time in the Navy, after which I received an honorable discharge, unlike Hunter Biden, I've never been given any other job for which I didn't already have years of experience actually doing.

Have you ever been paid $83K per month for a job you had no experience doing?

If not, then stop insulting our intelligence.

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#13 2019-12-23 18:42:43

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Hum, maybe I should apply for CFO. CEO. VP positions nah...these companies that pay for these high priced idiots aught to fold....

Trump, Russia and Ukraine: Five presidential conspiracy theories debunked

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#14 2019-12-24 07:39:18

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SpaceNut,

How many jobs have you received, for which you didn't have 1 day of experience as a qualification, that paid $1,000,000+ dollars per year?

I'm going to keep asking that question until I get an answer from you or someone else here.  You can try to redirect as much as you like, but I'm not budging off this question until I get an answer.  If you can't or won't answer it, then I'll presume it's because you don't know or don't want to know what the answer is.

It's rather interesting that you denigrate all corporate board members as "high-priced idiots", a very sweeping statement, yet constantly lament the fact that you can't make enough money to make ends meet.  Does your statement also apply to people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos as well?

Is it possible that your poor attitude towards business is why you're not making the money you think you should make?

Should any company that pays someone an amount of money that you disagree with go out of business?

I have a theory about why businesses pay these people so much money that is observationally true from my involvement in multiple industries as an outsider / consultant.  It's a combination of both personal knowledge of people I personally know that I've directly observed for years at a time and professional knowledge from observing other people I worked with, but don't have any other relationship with.

I've never seen anyone in upper management who works less than 60 hours per week, with most of them working closer to 80 hours per week.  Contrary to the popular leftist stereotypes, they're not twiddling their thumbs and smoking cigars at their desks, either.  They're hacking away at their computers before I arrive in the morning, they're still working after I leave, and they're typically also working during nights and weekends.  They basically never stop working.  My boss at the small startup I used to work at was busy answering E-mails and putting together proposals or writing code every time I came to visit him at his home or office.  I saw the exact same thing between the small health care services business I previously worked at and the consultancy offering supply chain management solutions.  Moreover, I also observed the exact same behavior at the dozens of very large companies in different industries that we provided those supply chain management solutions on behalf of.  It's not hard to figure out who they were going to give those jobs to, nor why they were paid more than someone working a 9 to 5 job.

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#15 2019-12-24 10:47:48

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There is a huge difference between a business owner and a corporate board figure head making decisions.

If qualification is having held a job simular to the one you are to recieve then no one qualifies for any as you have never held that position before. How would one test to see if you should be given that position on a trial period? If qualifications require a BS degree then thats not setting the bar all that high on the requirements to be able to perform the job.

Boards that make decisions the harm people such as the talc asbestos or simply asbestos use, that cause product quality to drop so low that the business is put into recievership, that lemon laws are created such to that product quality, or how about the most recent vaping crazy that is killing users of the product very quickly not slowly like cigarettes.

As to the question of being paid a "$1,000,000+ dollars per year" would love it but no those jobs are far and few between. Having been an owner and propietor of creating the income and in control of the earnings for wages I know that I would never think that anyone is worth that amount even if the business does make billions a year. They should be paid for the level of worked hours at a wage for the importance of there job relative to others.

How about feeding a family of 6 on zero income not just a day but for months on end while all assistance programs will not help? Only able to find enough work to keep the roof over your heads and the electricity on after getting food with no working vehicle.

As for working a 40 hour job how about putting in that 10 to 20 hours a week additional and not being paid for it?
It is significant to me as it would be impacting others if you do not do so. How would handling million dollar parts plus for these working folks be of less importance?

How about when the dumby in management says a 60 cent oring can be tossed out when they did not count the value of the work performed to make it readily available for the worker. That 10s of thousands of such parts are disposed of by that process thinking with a thousand being spent for each one up front plus the cost of the part being thrown away. Only to turn around in a few days making the same requested part be ordered once more with rush shipping costs.

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#16 2019-12-24 14:25:16

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SpaceNut,

I still have no idea what any of what you just responded with has to do with why a foreign oil company hired former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, as a board member into an industry he's never been involved with before in any way, by his own admission, and paid him a million dollars a year.

Any ideas?

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#17 2019-12-24 15:30:20

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During his time on the board of one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Hunter Biden, the son of former U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden, was regarded as a helpful non-executive director with a powerful name, according to people familiar with Biden’s role at the company as someone that provided advice on legal issues, corporate finance and strategy during a five-year term on the board.

So good name visability is a pretty low qualification, possibly some judgement on issues joining a company that was under investigation maybe but would not know anything for a period of time if anyone confided anything to him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden

Means he might know where the bodies are burried for money laundering investigation since being empoyed for a few years now.

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#18 2019-12-24 17:02:45

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SpaceNut,

I especially liked the position Hunter Biden was hired to fill.  He was supposedly in charge of ethics at Burisma.  That was a nice touch.  I'm sure that US companies routinely hire people who have been dishonorably discharged from the US military for using cocaine to teach them all about ethics.

Anyway, before he divorced his first wife, he was also sleeping with his brother's widow, allegedly knocked up some college student which it appears he's not contesting, and then decided to marry some other woman from South Africa.  In other words, Hunter Biden is the absolute epitome of ethics and we should all aspire to be just like him.

You're correct that Hunter Biden has good name visibility, just not a very good name, if his behavior is any indicator.  I suppose he's just a great guy to have around, what with that "D" after his father's name.  That fixes everything.

While it was fun watching you dodge and then try to justify activity that absolutely stinks of corruption, I can also see why you're not convincing the other side of anything.

Good chat.  Thanks for the laughs.  Loved it.

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#19 2019-12-24 17:54:19

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Going to work for a company that is under investigation stinks in and of itself but would not make him guilty of any crime...you are right he is no saint...So dad called to say stop looking at his son, that he was not involved is correct as he was not part of what transparently happened long before he took the job. I would think nothing more of it had it been a US business for the request to leave him out of its investigation. If anything they should have asked for his position to be an informant for the investigation as a part of not being arrested later if he was named.

Seems that all I find is the conspiracy websites that distort what actually happened and there is a difference when you are the one performing the crime and someone under your administration doing so.

https://www.trueactivist.com/criminal-i … residency/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017 … residency/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic … 1375.html#!
https://listverse.com/2019/11/07/obama- … -scandals/

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