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#26 2020-03-29 11:45:03

SpaceNut
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Re: JOBS Jobs Jobs why are there none

From robotics topic... The employment of people in industry that is from home is a reason to change in light of the corona virus but thats just creating another sub category of service providing worker which as indicated are low paying jobs.
For my work I would not only need computer secure high speed internet access but would also need robotic picking machines, inventory access and so much more that would not be appart of my expenses for doing work at home but would be borne by the employer to which that comes back to the cost of efficiency of change.

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#27 2020-03-29 12:32:34

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Re: JOBS Jobs Jobs why are there none

For SpaceNut .... this topic is about why there are NO jobs!

If you want to create a topic that is about CREATING jobs, that would be a much better fit for telepresence/teleoperation equipment.

If you and millions of other workers CANNOT go back to work in crowded facilities, it will be necessary for employers and their societies to think long and hard about what "cost of efficiency of change" might mean.

The answer to the question posed by the topic seems pretty clear:  there are NO jobs, because the societies of Earth did not prepare adequately for a biological pandemic.  For most leaders (as nearly as I can tell) lack of vision and myopic thinking have been pervasive for many decades.

A few (very few) leaders have tried to prepare the United States (and possibly other countries) for a pandemic, but few had any lasting effect.

The ability to plan for an uncertain future is not a human strength.

I've seen the argument that we humans can't prepare for every disaster that might befall us.  But failure to prepare for a pandemic is inexcusable, since such events have occurred periodically for hundreds of years, and according to some accounts, for thousands of years.

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#28 2020-03-29 14:31:57

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Re: JOBS Jobs Jobs why are there none

Its one and the same for a nation that resists change saying that robotics is taking my job and what will I do for work. As the businesses are not retraining people for new skill sets required by what just replaced the one in which they were go at and thats been going on since the 80's.

The issue is not really that there is no jobs but more about what a business will pay for that job and how they will cheat the people of a wage for that job so that they only work 1 for a full 40hr work week with chance to get overtime, benefits ect and not having several part time jobs with no benefits.

Businesses only make jobs local for what they can exploit by moving to a new local and a local only will produce a business if some one has the funds and know how to run one for profit. So a job whether its stay at home or going to a employment site are little different in the end run as its about the business economics of them making a profit.

As far as the pandemic jobs they had warning and ignored it...most business model have a lean approach to stocked warehouses as they feel its tying up there funds again a model of the 90's. But from any other stance if lean means zero you are not working and have nothing to do the work with. So does the governments stock pile system have a place in this is why we are having shortages and no ability to make whats needed just as much as having nothing to use for those that normally make goods.

So you can have all the automation, robotics in the world to produce goods but if they continue to produce products that cost more than doing it the tried and true methods then we are not going to change as corporations put the automations profits ahead of the people which must be able to buy there products that work for them. The forces you to buy cheap products from other countries and causes the shutdown of plants which once did make them state side.

We also have another issue in planned obsolesence of products by some industries not making a product to last but making it throw away and not repairable.

In short businesses make businesses and not jobs, they are a result of how the model works to product the goods from the business that jobs get created.

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#29 2020-03-31 11:05:09

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Re: JOBS Jobs Jobs why are there none

For the record, I did NOT choose this topic title.  It was created by SpaceNut, and my name was assigned to it.

I am a relentlessly optimistic person, and would not create a title that is negative, pessimistic or otherwise debilitating.

In my opinion, life is too short to waste any of it on gloom and doom.

However, I recognize that some folks are born with a genetic trait for seeing the dark side of everything.  I have to believe evolution has enforced that trait, by seeing to it that those who are appropriately cautious are rewarded with offspring, when their more venturesome or careless brethren are eliminated from the pool of candidates.

With that preface out of the way, here is an observation for a possible avenue for employment in the near term (late March 2020 on Earth):

Persons who have successfully completed a bout with COVID-19 and have antibodies ** should ** be in high demand for occupations where individuals must interact with uninfected (or infected) members of the population in order to carry out essential services.

What I'd appreciate would be any forum member who learns of an antibody test posting that news in the COVID-19 topic.

There needs to be a way for persons who are "safe" for employment to connect with employers who need their services.

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#30 2020-03-31 14:59:13

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Re: JOBS Jobs Jobs why are there none

Giving blood is a voluteering aspect of giving for others. The aspects of doing so for antibodies only works if the person had been tested for the virus and confirmed by that test to ensure that we are using blood that contains the correct antibody and not something else. The goals of the pharmacutical companies is to find that magic bullet to manufacture in quantities but we are in a long drawn out process at this point for safety to all.

Many a popup diner trucks have been created in the area to serve the walk up food service of take out so long as social distancing stays in everyones mind.

That is job creation as it might have more than the owner doing the work and hopefully they can make money doing so such as to stay open long after the virus has run its course.

We still have many an empty building for more jobs to be created within but what should these jobs be?
Are they service, manufacturing, R&D, non profit ect.?

Something else that is changing is the lowering of the part time employee numbers for the services as the companies are switching many to full time employees even if they are not getting anything more for hazard pay increase during this time of essential jobs.

Tele jobs are a part of a corporate business model that happens as a result of need for the business as I am sure that no one with a computer and cameras can just up and run a mars rover...as they have people that work for them to do so.

There is another busines that is blooming once more in the fitness craze as The At-Home Workout You Can Do in 20 Minutes
Some of this is free and others not so much when its a celebrity.

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#31 2020-04-05 19:35:51

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Re: JOBS Jobs Jobs why are there none

A Widening Toll on Jobs: 'This Thing Is Going to Come for Us All'


Not everything is considered essential and while I looked at the list for my state NH its still got many businesses still open. Its the social distancing and age to chronic health issues that are putting the brakes on some. Not just the definition as to what is considered essental.

Places that closed that did so are eat in restaraunts which could be still open for take out and delivery should they staff accordiangly so as to not need to close until this is over or for good in some case. The list goes on with how we can change to meet the demands of the new situation and thats what some should be doing.

Then there is the giving of hope by calling the layed off worker, communicating the desire to retain them once they are allowed to open.
Of course thats a two way street for communications that we all need to do for our own good.
We have known for some time now that the brick and mortar only model does not mean success and that we needed to change to the times or it would pass us by.

The coronavirus is taking a toll on many sectors of the economy

We have the $2 trillion stimulus bill aimed to help individuals and businesses to fall back on so spend it wisely.

The trasmission for the disease by flying was very much a tell for the Airlines going into a holding pattern until its over and a better means to protect passengers are engineered into the planes.

While new Auto Manufacturing is not essential they are being used to make other things in the time of a war on a virus and they will still be needed to do so for a while. Sure the essential needs of a running vehicle will not change only the requirement for something that runs...

I think this is the wrong reason to not get to working as its social and warm weather is hear.

Although the construction industry is pushing to be seen as “essential” to keep their projects running, there could still be some major impacts to the industry. The shutdown of the production of construction materials in China could lead to material delays and more expensive materials stateside, Construction Dive reported.

There is alot of bad bridges and roads to be worked on while its good weather.

All the major cruise lines have ceased operations as countries continue to close their ports.

This one falls inline with airplanes as its a death sentence for wildfire virus spread; so medical testing and sampling must happen to protect all nations of travel and its most prescious of cargo the people that bought tickets to enjoy life with.

There are more slides but you can see what needs to happen...change...not denial.

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