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#1 2018-11-20 13:11:20

SpaceNut
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Opening up Tourism for Space

As part of the business plan this is a part of that topic beyond funding and what we will travel on or of its stay..

Not on that list is the opening of those that could afford to pay and or at least want to work off the pricing of the ticket to mars until now.

Tourism was when shuttle and ISS were the extra seats on board shuttle or Soyuz but that stopped a while ago.

That looks like its about to change in the NASA may start selling tourists tickets to space

We know that a higher flight rate drives down prices of all activity with regards to access to space.

Why NASA wants to look at flying tourists to space — a dramatic change for a by-the-book agency

NASA is considering selling seats on the spacecraft that will ferry its astronauts to the International Space Station, offering rides to the public while opening another line of revenue as the agency attempts to broaden its appeal.

On several occasions, Russia has flown wealthy people who paid millions of dollars for the ride to space. And a trio of private companies backed by billionaires is also looking to fly tourists out of the atmosphere.

Of course more destinations will open up more opportunity but its a start.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-amer … 50h1z.html

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operations cost for the station is 3.5 billion and this will offset some of the costs but getting the customers may be also a problem...

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#2 2018-11-24 17:09:00

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

Soyuz seats are some where between the 10 to 20 million last time we had word on them.

So what would the new attitude for Nasa account for in a seat price?

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#3 2018-11-24 18:18:19

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

NASA will be beaten by Virgin, Space X and Blue Origin for sure. The era of Space Tourism is upon us - it will be well established by 2025. 

I expect to see lunar tourism bases by 2025 - though Space X may have to hold back a bit to spare NASA's pride.

Going to visit the original Apollo 11 landing site will I think be a great pull for tourists. The Peaks of Eternal Light as well perhaps...


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#4 2018-11-24 18:37:01

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

Virgin is only suborbital
Blue origin is currently suborbital but gaining there wings with getting to the next step
Space x is almost there for orbital but will they go further will take time
Nasa will be up and running soon but will they continue without a boat load of cash to its contractors or will the purse strings be closed
Boeing and Lockheed both are striving to replace there old rockets with Boeing having the Starliner while Lockheed is focused elsewhere

The world has other nations that are also fostering commercial space flight and hopefully in time there will be moving people as well

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#5 2018-11-24 19:49:12

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

Yes they are only suborbital but they have still taken a lot of bookings. They do achieve weightlessness I think.

I don't think there is any doubt Blue Origin will achieve great things...they just have so much money behind them.

Once the BFR (now Starship) is in place - which I don't think is going to be that long (we are not talking about the F9H - a bad concept really when all is said and done, like the Space Shuttle, however maginificent it looks). This is a scaling up, just the sort of thing I believe Space X can do really well. So I will be surprised if the BRF-Starship isn't up and running and available for human flight by 2022.

SpaceNut wrote:

Virgin is only suborbital
Blue origin is currently suborbital but gaining there wings with getting to the next step
Space x is almost there for orbital but will they go further will take time
Nasa will be up and running soon but will they continue without a boat load of cash to its contractors or will the purse strings be closed
Boeing and Lockheed both are striving to replace there old rockets with Boeing having the Starliner while Lockheed is focused elsewhere

The world has other nations that are also fostering commercial space flight and hopefully in time there will be moving people as well


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#6 2018-11-27 20:57:41

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

This first step is a tiny step but a big one down the path to getting more people into space.
The next space x flight is schedueled for Jan. 7 date set for first SpaceX unmanned capsule to International Space Station This is the Crew Dragon's commercial flight will be known as Demo-1 or DM-1 only with no one on board.

art-spacex-crew-dragon-docking-iss-hg.jpg

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#7 2020-02-21 21:56:25

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

We are getting closer to a human flight to the ISS onboard the crewed Dragon and soon the Starliner with tourism again awaiting in the wings for hopefully those that are not just Rich.
Space Adventures to fly tourists on Crew Dragon mission

Space Adventures was the only company that was able to book flights to the ISS in the past on the soyuz and now it has the chance on other spare seats for a price.

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#8 2020-02-22 18:39:43

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Annual global tourism is worth something like $9,000 billion.  A truly huge sum! If you could just divert 1% of that into lunar and Mars tourism that would be $90 billion worth of revenue - every single year! Even just one tenth of that would generate $9 billion per annum - enough to support bases on the Moon and Mars.

This is why I am optimistic about lunar and Mars business opportunities.


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#9 2020-02-22 19:22:13

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

I am sceptical of the value of space tourism.  Jet travel holidays became such a large market because it was affordable to the masses.  Space tourism is always going to be a niche market for the very rich.  Perhaps a few thousand individuals in all of humanity will have both the means and the desire.  And unless you can provide these people with luxury facilities, the novelty of being in space will get old very quickly.


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#10 2020-02-29 18:30:04

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

You are correct and here is that other topic for the post

tahanson43206 wrote:

For SpaceNut ... the link below leads to an article about space architecture.

The specific article is about Axiom and ideas for a consumer space hotel for the ISS or independent operation.

It could go into several topics as you see fit.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasas-space- … 00304.html

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It is in hope that space tourism will flourish but that needs cheap flight costs so as for many to part take of the vacation away from earth. Just hoping that it will become more for business ventures as there are limited people whom can afford currently to go. The other part of this will drive further launcher companies to begin and for others to build more stations. The control of these are an issue for the future as the population that can go and will change the future for all by creating the frontier in which we dream of going too.

axiom station
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 11#p134511
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 61#p134461
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 04#p134904
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 66#p149066
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 61#p164861
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 33#p164833
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 60#p164860

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#11 2020-02-29 18:54:14

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

I would disagree. It depends what you mean by a niche market.

Cruises at sea were once enjoyed by only a very small elite. In the last 30 years the number of cruise passengers has grown from about 4 million pa to 28 million - an incredible growth rate.

https://cruisemarketwatch.com/growth/

Many of these cruises involve substantial outlay.

If 1 million people pa were prepared to pay an average of say $150,000 for orbital or lunar tourism "cruises", that would be a market of $150 billion. I can see that developing over the next 20-30 years. The cost of providing the experience certainly won't be going up. We will see a progressive decline in cost.  To be able to afford and then to be able later to talk to friends and family about these orbital and lunar experiences will carry incredible status value which will mean people will be prepared to go that extra mile in terms of saving for or setting aside funds for such an experience.

It will be limited to the very rich to begin with but at some point we are going to crack cheap transfer to orbit I think - maybe with a microwave craft and then this could become a mass experience.

I don't think the novelty will wear off. The novelty of sea cruises hasn't worn off. The novelty of visiting "exotic" places on Earth hasn't worn off. The idea that you could travel to the Moon and visit the original Apollo 11 landing site and look at Armstrong and Aldrin's footprints has got to be a real pull, as will be seeing Earthrise, or seeing your name lasered into rock on the lunar surface as a visitor to the Moon. 

I am sure space tourism companies will develop additional experiences for the visitor  e.g. playing Quidditch in a huge Bigelow hab or playing golf on a course on the Moon (the sort of thing golf bores will talk about for several decades thereafter!).

I have absolutely no doubt that space tourism will become a multi-billion dollar industry within the next ten years. Eventually Mars will be brought in on the tourist trail. That will be an even bigger pull!

Calliban wrote:

I am sceptical of the value of space tourism.  Jet travel holidays became such a large market because it was affordable to the masses.  Space tourism is always going to be a niche market for the very rich.  Perhaps a few thousand individuals in all of humanity will have both the means and the desire.  And unless you can provide these people with luxury facilities, the novelty of being in space will get old very quickly.


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#12 2020-02-29 18:58:48

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Re: Opening up Tourism for Space

The cruise ship trips will take a hit for a while after many being caught in the quaranteen on board them....
I think the value of sub orbital might be something to be skeptical of...

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