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#176 2021-02-14 09:11:09

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Re: Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected

http://exrocketman.blogspot.com/2021/01 … at-is.html

Spineless GOP for not backing the constitution and hiding behnd that he is already out of office excuse.
Last time I check the commander an chiefs dereliction of duty is a court marshal offense.
So let all the lawsuits begin....and censure is still out for never allowing Trump another office of any kind.
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#177 2021-02-14 15:53:27

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Re: Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected

SpaceNut,

Whether Democrats ever accept the fact or not, it's over.

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#178 2021-02-14 17:56:46

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Re: Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected

You can think that its an us vs them but in reality its about knowing right from wrong. Trump has ignited a new civil war and its not going to end anytime soon as woman-66-with-loaded-gun-in-her-car-is-arrested-near-white-house she was carrying a letter for President Joe Biden.

The MAGA rioters, who believed Trump’s claims of widespread voter fraud in the recent election, were attempting to stop Congress from ratifying Biden’s victory.

After the storming of the Capitol, Congress affirmed Biden’s win. Since then, hundreds of the rioters have been arrested and charged.

In the days and weeks following the riot, the capital was placed on virtual lockdown as tens of thousands of National Guard troops secured the area for Biden’s inauguration.

The National Guard is expected to remain in the capital well past March 12, according to Fox 5 DC.

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#179 2021-02-14 18:51:20

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Re: Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected

I think the Democrat legislators who called for Trump Cabinet Members to be harrassed in the street, who supported violent looters, who promoted Antifa's vicious attacks on the First Amendment and who said Trump was "not their President" started this Civil War. But worst of all it was the Deep State rats  gnawing away at the vitals of constitutional government who must carry the greatest blame for the ending of American democracy (it is over by the way). I believe the unconstitutional conspiracy was likely led by ex CIA John Brennan but many others were involved at various levels (see the Time Magazine article) and of course the conspiracy was linked to the Obama, Clinton and Biden crime families.

If you don't yet realise your democracy in the USA is finished you soon will. Your election was stolen. The proof is there, in full. It's just no one's allowed to say that or they get banned, unpersoned, made redundant, disbarred from professional associations, harrassed in their homes, subject to legal threats, threatened with jail,  sued for billions of dollars, slandered in the MSM or made a figure of ridicule by the same MSM bullies.

SpaceNut wrote:

You can think that its an us vs them but in reality its about knowing right from wrong. Trump has ignited a new civil war and its not going to end anytime soon as woman-66-with-loaded-gun-in-her-car-is-arrested-near-white-house she was carrying a letter for President Joe Biden.

The MAGA rioters, who believed Trump’s claims of widespread voter fraud in the recent election, were attempting to stop Congress from ratifying Biden’s victory.

After the storming of the Capitol, Congress affirmed Biden’s win. Since then, hundreds of the rioters have been arrested and charged.

In the days and weeks following the riot, the capital was placed on virtual lockdown as tens of thousands of National Guard troops secured the area for Biden’s inauguration.

The National Guard is expected to remain in the capital well past March 12, according to Fox 5 DC.


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#180 2021-02-14 19:03:28

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#181 2021-02-14 20:02:34

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You're destroying your country Spacenut by supporting this political vendetta. Vendetta politics kills democracy and that's what the misnamed "Democrats" are doing.

Your country is now a laughing stock across the world. China can't stop laughing how they stole your election and made your frightened of your own shadow (Covid). You're no longer a democracy. You're absolutely finished. It's only going to get worse and worse.


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#182 2021-02-14 20:40:11

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#183 2021-02-14 21:19:01

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SpaceNut / Louis / Others,

It's over guys.  It's time to re-focus on living life.  DC politics isn't real life.  We elected the most ignorant and arrogant people from both ends of the political spectrum to represent our country, and now that that profound mistake has been made, there's no going back.  Let's hope 2021 is better than 2020.  Incidentally, Louis is correct about not bullying your own neighbors over your political beliefs.  The election results no longer matter.  What's done is done.  It's time to move forward.

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#184 2021-02-15 09:51:25

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Re: Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected

For those still following the "DC politics of the most ignorant and arrogant people from both ends of the political spectrum to represent our country", US lawmakers call for 9/11-style commission to investigate Capitol riot

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#185 2021-02-15 10:56:25

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SpaceNut,

Ah, yes, 170 or so people illegally entering the Capitol building is the same thing as flying or trying to fly Boeing 767s into The World Trade Center, The Pentagon, and The White House, as well as killing more than 3,000 American citizens in the process.  There were six people who died during the incident at the Capitol building.  Five of them had heart attacks / strokes / aneurysms, to include the Police Officer who died, and the sixth one was a young lady who was shot in the head by a Police Officer.  Apart from the Police, nobody else showed up with weapons, unlike the 9/11 hijackers.

Until January 6th, 2021, I'd never seen an unarmed man wearing a Chewbacca bikini take over the Legislature of the most militarily powerful nation on planet Earth.  This is what keeps Democrats up at night- cross-dressing Republican men wearing Wookie bikinis storming the Capitol building.  If you can't appreciate the absurdity and silliness of that, then you lack a sense of humor and therefore a way to understand how utterly insane this obsession over President Trump truly is.

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#186 2021-02-15 15:53:59

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Re: Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected

I'd love if you could move forward. You can't. You seem to assume politics or maybe real life can be resumed as before. They can't. Not if an elections can be stolen, if political thugs can roam the streets and attack opponents at will with no legal penalty, and if the might of the state can be harnessed to pursue political vendettas or protect bribe-takers. Everything is now changed. The private space programmes are definitely in peril. I strongly expect there will be action taken to slow them down, so China can catch up and then Mars can be assigned some sort of Antarctic-style treaty status.

kbd512 wrote:

SpaceNut / Louis / Others,

It's over guys.  It's time to re-focus on living life.  DC politics isn't real life.  We elected the most ignorant and arrogant people from both ends of the political spectrum to represent our country, and now that that profound mistake has been made, there's no going back.  Let's hope 2021 is better than 2020.  Incidentally, Louis is correct about not bullying your own neighbors over your political beliefs.  The election results no longer matter.  What's done is done.  It's time to move forward.


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#187 2021-02-15 19:37:43

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louis wrote:

I'd love if you could move forward. You can't. You seem to assume politics or maybe real life can be resumed as before. They can't. Not if an elections can be stolen, if political thugs can roam the streets and attack opponents at will with no legal penalty, and if the might of the state can be harnessed to pursue political vendettas or protect bribe-takers. Everything is now changed. The private space programmes are definitely in peril. I strongly expect there will be action taken to slow them down, so China can catch up and then Mars can be assigned some sort of Antarctic-style treaty status.

Louis,

The Democrats care more about ideological purity than humanity itself.  Any affront to their ideology, no matter how slight, even if they ultimately win elected office, or legal argument, or whatever, simply can't be tolerated.  They don't know how to win or lose graciously.

In 2016, they lost.  They spent the next four straight years fixated on one man, as if it was him, rather than their own bad ideas, that caused them to lose the election.

In 2020, they won.  They'll spend the next four straight years demonstrating why electing them was a mistake, so they'll lose again, and we'll have to deal with another four years of their nonsense.

Last but certainly not least, our political system directly enables legalized bribery through campaign contributions.  The problem is that not even the campaign donations is enough money to satisfy these greedy, arrogant, and ignorant people we seem to always end up with, no matter which dominant political party they're associated with.

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#188 2021-02-15 20:11:14

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#189 2021-02-15 20:53:14

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SpaceNut,

Biden has stated that he wants unity.  You don't get unity by impeaching someone from the opposing political party who doesn't hold office.

That poll is utterly meaningless, if not less than meaningless (prejudiced).  Asking 1,056 people says nothing whatsoever about the beliefs of the majority of Americans.

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#190 2021-02-15 21:34:37

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#191 2021-02-15 22:26:33

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SpaceNut,

Impeachment of President Trump has been a miserable failure for Democrats- twice.  Does there need to be a third miserable failure to drive home the point?  It's over.  It's time to give up on non-starters.  Now is the time for Democrats to demonstrate that they can lead.  Focusing on past events that can't be changed, to the exclusion of all other issues, is not leadership.

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#192 2021-02-16 04:56:01

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Re: Trump’s Lawyers Argue He Can't Be Impeached Because He Was Not Elected

It's amazing how the assassination attempt on Trump by a young British man was consigned to the memory hole by the MSM in the UK and USA. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dona … y_incident

The young guy had been fired up by hate rhetoric in the media. But of course the MSM in the USA and the UK went to work to bury the incident and/or exonerate the would be perpetrator.


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#193 2021-02-16 17:41:13

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You do know that MSM, BING are Microsoft new feeds from a variety....A 20-year-old man received a sentence of 12 months and a day for grabbing a police officer’s gun It was covered by
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/unrest … rallies/3/
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/ … ump-224562
https://www.newsbreak.com/nevada/las-ve … -las-vegas

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#194 2021-02-16 18:15:12

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You can bury a story through minimal reporting. That's what they did. The Wikipedia article confirms that's what happened. And in the UK the MSM went one step further in exonerating the young man and criticising the American authorities' treatment of him - though in reality he was treated with incredible leniency.

SpaceNut wrote:

You do know that MSM, BING are Microsoft new feeds from a variety....A 20-year-old man received a sentence of 12 months and a day for grabbing a police officer’s gun It was covered by
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/unrest … rallies/3/
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/ … ump-224562
https://www.newsbreak.com/nevada/las-ve … -las-vegas


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#195 2021-02-16 18:24:05

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The issue is no one died, he was young and foolish which makes less so for big article reporting. Not to mention no big gun spry....

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#196 2021-02-16 20:29:38

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It only a club with lots of good people on both sides.
What is the Ku Klux Klan Act? Lawsuit over Capitol riot says Trump, Giuliani and others violated 1871 when they attempted to prevent Congress from certifying the results of the 2020 election.

thats old and dusty

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#197 2021-02-17 00:10:33

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SpaceNut,

If Democrats don't stop fixating on the past, which cannot be changed, no matter any belief to the contrary, there's a very high likelihood that a more effective populist, someone who isn't as benevolent as President Trump is, will win office next.

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#198 2021-02-17 09:20:02

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kbd512 wrote:

SpaceNut,

If Democrats don't stop fixating on the past, which cannot be changed, no matter any belief to the contrary, there's a very high likelihood that a more effective populist, someone who isn't as benevolent as President Trump is, will win office next.

Quite so.  And this will be to no small extent facilitated by the way that America's political aristocracy have demonised the Americans that voted for him.  These people have watched their way of life deteriorate steadily since the turn of the century, whilst an arrogant political class, supported by an equally arrogant globalist super rich, get richer as they get poorer.

When you throw into the mix the fact that they cheated to get rid of Trump and the hardship and bitterness that the approaching peak-energy great depression will bring, and you have a witches brew that could very easily ignite Civil War 2.  No doubt there will arise a Fuhrer.  He may even ride Trump's coat tails on the way up.  It really was irrelevant whether Trump was impeached or not.  He is too old to run again and is far more valuable as a slaughtered martyr than he is as a revolutionary leader.  It is the man that comes after that the elite need to worry about.  He will hit them at a time when the economic great depression has obliterated their tax base and emptied their coffers.  With less money than ever to fund security forces, they will face a people's insurrection, led by a charismatic leader that stands for all the things that they don't.

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#199 2021-02-17 19:00:50

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How could that "effective populist" ever win a future Presidential election now we know an election can be stolen and the Supreme Court won't lift a finger, even when a case is filed by several States of the Union?  The Supreme Court has totally abandoned the American people. It's probably the most egregious desertion in American history. There's absolutely no chance of a populist ever winning again. It's over. The only thing that will change this is a popular revolt. And of course that is the one thing that the current administration is totally focussed on preventing through exemplary punishments, savage laws, consitutional innovation and so on.

I'd love to think the American people have the spirit to overturn the tyranny but I doubt it. We are all such creatures of the media and the internet now. That is the one thing that could make a difference: the populist opposition in the USA need to build a totally separate media and social media. That is the only way out of the tyranny. It's Step One. Without that, nothing else will happen. But be under no illusions will use every method to prevent that happening.

kbd512 wrote:

SpaceNut,

If Democrats don't stop fixating on the past, which cannot be changed, no matter any belief to the contrary, there's a very high likelihood that a more effective populist, someone who isn't as benevolent as President Trump is, will win office next.


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#200 2021-02-17 20:33:41

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The US is a republic of states that can cheat an election any way they want its states out come it wants it to be as it seems from gerrymandering, intimidation, racism and many more tactics are being used to deign our votes from counting even when they are counted correctly.

Trump has steered clear of mentioning Dominion and Smartmatic, two voting system companies that were the subject of unfounded conspiracy theories about the election. Both companies have already filed lawsuits seeking billions of dollars in damages from some of Trump's political and media allies.

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