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#1 2017-04-10 19:55:28

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Climbing out of poverty

You both have given a great topic to talk about.. to which none of this is politics....

Growing out of poverty is what we are doing when we go to mars with a minalist approach for sure and thats what brings me to this.

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

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If people are still living this way in 2100 AD, there is something wrong with them.

Third World and stupid, Mud hut people and their goats, dumb primitives who can't adapt!

What you have said may be all true but what I see is a survivalist in a very harsh environment, living off the land with the knowledge and skills that they have with the resources that are within a walking distance.

The opening line next shows what is important

kbd512 wrote:

How many more people would die every year if they didn't have drinking water, food available for reasonable prices, or vehicles to transport them to work to make money to buy food / live indoors / etc?

If you can't figure out what the answer to that question is, then you might want to look at how a lot of people in Africa live- or don't, sadly, as is often the case.

If we decided to stop using fossil fuels tomorrow, how many more people do you think would be dead because there was no clean drinking water, food, or heat available?

Using fossil fuels comes with undesirable consequences, but so does living like a lot of people in Africa.  They have little coal or gas and no money for multi-billion dollar solar and wind farms.

We know that the people are not at our current state of economy or of priveledge but they are making due with what they have. Coal, oil or gas nor money are not high on the pole for existence of life for those that live there in the image.

So lets use only what we can see to bring these people out of poverty and into technology....

First thing I see is above ground very hot housing, a very arid dry surroundings with minimal water, not much from what I can see of edible plant life. Without more detail of what is there it is hard to judge if there is enough food or water.

So how do we approach the scale of the problems and what should we do first. Hiking out of the area is out of possibility to green pastures....You must survive where you are.

Remember this is all we have to work with for what is in the image....

Desert water can be collected by a vapor tent system, made from the tarps especially over the smaller plants as the tent would capture the transpiring of the plants during the day and would condense during the night for collection.

Digging a structure down into the dirt with a tarp over it to keep cool for housing might be a start to growing food as well. The deeper the cooler it would get, also by digging down we may find more water and also create a rain water pit for capture as well if we make it deep enough.

The materials which are in the image are quite combustible for when we want to use fire for cooking, canning of what we grow once we get to the stage and for metals as well as glass creating if the raw materials are within the walking zone.

We are definitely look at old school for creating foot steps up towards technology.

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#2 2017-04-10 21:45:04

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Re: Climbing out of poverty

The original image came from this story so I have located a few more sites that have images and more food for thought with in them to make use of for helping them help them selves out of poverty....

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/10/17 … field.html

http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2016/1 … a-field/#1

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/th … uish-field

From the links:
The cornfield is dotted with tents, mud-brick shelters and huts made of sticks and plastic sheets,

30 miles (50 kilometers) to the north near the border with Saudi Arabia,

Many are living on just bread and tea.

the nearest medical facility is even farther, three hours away.

They will use about anything they can have to create a home even if it not much to look at:
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The source of food, which is corn is in the background:
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“We’re worth nothing, not even the palm of a hand,” she said, using a local expression that means a tiny amount.

sheep and a plot of land where he grew vegetables.

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#3 2017-04-10 23:32:03

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Re: Climbing out of poverty

The situation of the Yeminis is that of war fueled by identity politics. War is what is keeping them poor, and their belief in that Battle Religion called Islam, it keeps them fighting with promises of paradise in the afterlife if they kill certain people, and the women dutifully bear more children at a rate to replace the fallen soldiers so they can keep on fighting over their identity politics forever! So what happens if the oceans rise and flood the homes of those forever fighting over their ancient territory? I call that peace! If they got no land anymore, they have nothing to fight about, and they can stop killing each other!

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#4 2017-04-11 04:00:07

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Re: Climbing out of poverty

Mud huts? Well lots of people want us to live in caves on Mars! How's that for progress.

I would never diss poor people around the world.  Most of them are extremely hard working and just trying to survive.  As someone who can't even master the rocket equation I don't think it's right to demean people for a lack of technical knowledge. smile  In any case the vast majority of people in advanced societies simply freeload off the back of inventors, scientists, technicians, engineers, software experts and the like who make it all possible.


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#5 2017-04-11 04:26:32

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Re: Climbing out of poverty

Housing - open source CEB press and hexayurt
Heating and cooking - rocket stove and wood gasification stove
Food production - ollas (I'm actually working on a system for lawn irrigation based on those at the moment)


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#6 2017-04-11 19:21:43

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Re: Climbing out of poverty

What you say Tom is true in that it does slow developement and stability when what you have is taken from you and distroyed. As I indicated they feel like that there lifes have no value....

Thanks for the links Terraformer as these once they can be produce by them are indeed game changers for an area that is insitu poor....

The one thing all the images seem to have in common is the lack of a centralized water containment system for making water more plentiful for all to make use of.

Some show the sub standard housing even for these people which once you can dig or mold bricks would seem to lots better off for the people of the area.

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#7 2017-04-12 03:43:33

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Also, Kerala.


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#8 2017-04-12 07:24:50

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Re: Climbing out of poverty

louis wrote:

Mud huts? Well lots of people want us to live in caves on Mars! How's that for progress.

I would never diss poor people around the world.  Most of them are extremely hard working and just trying to survive.  As someone who can't even master the rocket equation I don't think it's right to demean people for a lack of technical knowledge. smile  In any case the vast majority of people in advanced societies simply freeload off the back of inventors, scientists, technicians, engineers, software experts and the like who make it all possible.

The key is property rights. Why should people work hard if government just takes it all away from you if you do. If you are poor, how are you most likely to vote? Are you going to vote for the guy who promises to tax the rich and give away stuff for free to the poor people. But you know, "if you give someone a fish he east for a day, if you teach him how to fish, he eats for a lifetime." The poor have tendencies to want stuff for free, but unfortunately getting stuff for free doesn't make them any less poor. The source of jobs and productive activity which could bring the majority of people in the Third World out of poverty is the rich, if government taxes them at high rates in order to give free stuff away to the poor to get their votes, you will have less rich, and less stuff to give away for free, people stay poor. The thing about poor people isn't that they don't work hard, its that they are suckers, they want to follow what they perceive as the easier path, they vote for politicians that promise to give them stuff for free, and they only way they can get that stuff to distribute for free is by taxing the rich and driving them out of the country. There is not that many rich people compared to the poor in India for instance. India is a democracy, and most of the votes are from poor people. Politicians want those poor votes because they will get them elected, and they need to tax rich people to buy those poor votes, thus they act like robin hood. Robin Hood economics doesn't work! There are two classes of rich people, those who befriend the politicians, and get a tax break and those who do not and are taxed to pay for the politician's redistribution program. The really rich people, have special relationships with the politicians who make laws, they get set asides from their friends, they get to keep their wealth. Those who are merely rich, but are the providers of most of the jobs in the country are not so lucky, they get taxed to the max, and thus can't hire as many people and bring them out of poverty with productive labor. What you liberals don't understand is you can't bring people out of poverty by taking from the rich and giving to the poor, what you have to do is give the poor productive jobs doing stuff which generates income which pays for their wage and pays the investor a return on their investments for providing those people with a job. There are never enough government jobs to go around, they come at the expense of taxing the rich, and those jobs are mostly regulatory rather than productive.

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#9 2017-04-12 07:38:12

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Re: Climbing out of poverty

You have a very naive view of how economies work.  Many Third World countries are kleptocracies where those in power - both government and business - skim billions off for their own private benefit from what should be publicly available resources. Robin Hood economics worked pretty well in W. Europe after the war as the rich pay high rates of tax to fund welfare states, leading to vast improvements in health, housing, and disposable income. The problem was that eventually as the world became more globalised, it became easier for the rich to hide their money offshore. The poorest countries in the world have among the lowest tax rates in the world, not the other way round.  A country like Denmark scores high on all measures of happiness and outcomes. 

I am certainly not going to criticise people who maybe walk five miles to get some water and have very hard lives. How you develop their economies is a complex matter but generally I favour improved transport and communications, and let them get on with it.


Tom Kalbfus wrote:
louis wrote:

Mud huts? Well lots of people want us to live in caves on Mars! How's that for progress.


I would never diss poor people around the world.  Most of them are extremely hard working and just trying to survive.  As someone who can't even master the rocket equation I don't think it's right to demean people for a lack of technical knowledge. smile  In any case the vast majority of people in advanced societies simply freeload off the back of inventors, scientists, technicians, engineers, software experts and the like who make it all possible.

The key is property rights. Why should people work hard if government just takes it all away from you if you do. If you are poor, how are you most likely to vote? Are you going to vote for the guy who promises to tax the rich and give away stuff for free to the poor people. But you know, "if you give someone a fish he east for a day, if you teach him how to fish, he eats for a lifetime." The poor have tendencies to want stuff for free, but unfortunately getting stuff for free doesn't make them any less poor. The source of jobs and productive activity which could bring the majority of people in the Third World out of poverty is the rich, if government taxes them at high rates in order to give free stuff away to the poor to get their votes, you will have less rich, and less stuff to give away for free, people stay poor. The thing about poor people isn't that they don't work hard, its that they are suckers, they want to follow what they perceive as the easier path, they vote for politicians that promise to give them stuff for free, and they only way they can get that stuff to distribute for free is by taxing the rich and driving them out of the country. There is not that many rich people compared to the poor in India for instance. India is a democracy, and most of the votes are from poor people. Politicians want those poor votes because they will get them elected, and they need to tax rich people to buy those poor votes, thus they act like robin hood. Robin Hood economics doesn't work! There are two classes of rich people, those who befriend the politicians, and get a tax break and those who do not and are taxed to pay for the politician's redistribution program. The really rich people, have special relationships with the politicians who make laws, they get set asides from their friends, they get to keep their wealth. Those who are merely rich, but are the providers of most of the jobs in the country are not so lucky, they get taxed to the max, and thus can't hire as many people and bring them out of poverty with productive labor. What you liberals don't understand is you can't bring people out of poverty by taking from the rich and giving to the poor, what you have to do is give the poor productive jobs doing stuff which generates income which pays for their wage and pays the investor a return on their investments for providing those people with a job. There are never enough government jobs to go around, they come at the expense of taxing the rich, and those jobs are mostly regulatory rather than productive.


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#10 2017-04-12 18:22:47

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Re: Climbing out of poverty

Tom, While property rights would be nice how would they pay for them, let alone how about some rights for the people as that would start the feeling that they are not worthless..... Which does not mean that they should make use of a dowry to key the family fed as they are basically selling off there young girls as child brides....

I also agree free hand outs are a bad way to promote self worth, with a hand up means that they are doing something for it....

First tier issues need to be worked on for the people that are in this situation such that they earn money for that second tier which make the self worth and property more obtainable.

Food, Water, Shelter, and ability to travel a bit farther than a walking distance ect....

So some sort of wheeled wagon, wheel barrow ect.. might be possible to help with that heavy load to which these people would need to make to gain a greater amount of water and foods in a single trip....

I see a bike in one image so maybe there are others to help with this problem....

From the images they seem be creative in recycling just about any item even when its discarded trash by others into what they needed.

Oh, by the way I have been without a vehicle numerous times with no other means but to walk the 2 miles to a local store to buy and provide the gallon of milk, a gallon of water and other dry foods and some canned for the days meals and useages. While its mostly down hill its sure is a killer when you are fully loaded going back home up hill....

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#11 2017-04-13 00:04:39

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louis wrote:

You have a very naive view of how economies work.  Many Third World countries are kleptocracies where those in power - both government and business - skim billions off for their own private benefit from what should be publicly available resources. Robin Hood economics worked pretty well in W. Europe after the war as the rich pay high rates of tax to fund welfare states, leading to vast improvements in health, housing, and disposable income.

After the war was simply rebuilding what was destroyed, that part was easy, people knew what was there before World War II, so they already knew what to build. Once things were rebuilt, the economy slowed, because no one knew what to build next, how to improve on Europe circa 1939 for example. Okay if the rich pay high taxes, why should the invest their money? The really rich only need to maintain their wealth. Why should the rich work hard if the government takes away 70% of what they earn? Why should the rich hire people to get a return on their investment?

The problem was that eventually as the world became more globalised, it became easier for the rich to hide their money offshore. The poorest countries in the world have among the lowest tax rates in the world, not the other way round.  A country like Denmark scores high on all measures of happiness and outcomes.

 
What is Cuba's tax rate? What is North Korea's tax rate? You know what their tax rate is? 100% of what you got! Do you feel like investing in North Korea? That is the reason why North Korea is poor and South Korea is not!

I am certainly not going to criticise people who maybe walk five miles to get some water and have very hard lives. How you develop their economies is a complex matter but generally I favour improved transport and communications, and let them get on with it.

It is inefficient when plumbing technology is available, plumbing technology was available to the ancient Romans, and the fact that they don't have plumbing thousands of years after the Romans had it, indicates that there is something wrong with the way they are doing things. Why are there people in Third World countries that can't read their own language? if teaching a child to read is so difficult, then how come we manage to do it so easily? Obviously they are doing something wrong if people can't read, it is not that hard to teach a child to read for the most part.

Tom Kalbfus wrote:
louis wrote:

Mud huts? Well lots of people want us to live in caves on Mars! How's that for progress.


I would never diss poor people around the world.  Most of them are extremely hard working and just trying to survive.  As someone who can't even master the rocket equation I don't think it's right to demean people for a lack of technical knowledge. smile  In any case the vast majority of people in advanced societies simply freeload off the back of inventors, scientists, technicians, engineers, software experts and the like who make it all possible.

The key is property rights. Why should people work hard if government just takes it all away from you if you do. If you are poor, how are you most likely to vote? Are you going to vote for the guy who promises to tax the rich and give away stuff for free to the poor people. But you know, "if you give someone a fish he east for a day, if you teach him how to fish, he eats for a lifetime." The poor have tendencies to want stuff for free, but unfortunately getting stuff for free doesn't make them any less poor. The source of jobs and productive activity which could bring the majority of people in the Third World out of poverty is the rich, if government taxes them at high rates in order to give free stuff away to the poor to get their votes, you will have less rich, and less stuff to give away for free, people stay poor. The thing about poor people isn't that they don't work hard, its that they are suckers, they want to follow what they perceive as the easier path, they vote for politicians that promise to give them stuff for free, and they only way they can get that stuff to distribute for free is by taxing the rich and driving them out of the country. There is not that many rich people compared to the poor in India for instance. India is a democracy, and most of the votes are from poor people. Politicians want those poor votes because they will get them elected, and they need to tax rich people to buy those poor votes, thus they act like robin hood. Robin Hood economics doesn't work! There are two classes of rich people, those who befriend the politicians, and get a tax break and those who do not and are taxed to pay for the politician's redistribution program. The really rich people, have special relationships with the politicians who make laws, they get set asides from their friends, they get to keep their wealth. Those who are merely rich, but are the providers of most of the jobs in the country are not so lucky, they get taxed to the max, and thus can't hire as many people and bring them out of poverty with productive labor. What you liberals don't understand is you can't bring people out of poverty by taking from the rich and giving to the poor, what you have to do is give the poor productive jobs doing stuff which generates income which pays for their wage and pays the investor a return on their investments for providing those people with a job. There are never enough government jobs to go around, they come at the expense of taxing the rich, and those jobs are mostly regulatory rather than productive.

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#12 2017-04-13 14:38:50

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SpaceNut,

New worlders are not privileged and we never have been.  Our life styles are the result of multi-generational efforts to improve the general quality of life for every successive generation, not some sort of fluke or incidental circumstance of birth.  Our ancestors were just more inquisitive, industrious, and adaptive than other peoples in other parts of the world.  That said, we are not so "special" that we have any right to piss on anyone else because they have not achieved the same level of technological development that we have.  We should be using our leadership position to advance the general quality of life for all humanity, provided that the recipients of our charity desire and appreciate the opportunities they're presented with.  Despite all the evidence to the contrary, I have to believe that every parent wants a better life for their children, even if that means different things to different people.

The quality of life that people around the world have is largely a result of their ability to produce the energy required to live better lives.  Since the overwhelming majority of us have decided to use systems of exchange for goods and services, we require investment to create the energy required to produce goods and services to trade with.  That's a fancy way of saying we require investment capital, or something to trade with someone else that they find valuable and are willing to accept in exchange for whatever goods or services they can provide.

To educate people, we need a combination of human capital (teachers) and technology (language and language-driven devices, namely computers).  The technology can be simplistic at first, pens / pencils / paper, but will ultimately require fancy calculators capable of performing advanced mathematics, better known as computers.  Computers enable us to swiftly and efficiently exchange information, goods, and services.

To provide abundant, affordable, and non-polluting power, there must first exist an educational system to teach the technical skills required to support energy generation technologies.  That is why lingual and mathematical literacy must precede any energy production efforts that ultimately lead to better lives for our progeny.  We weren't capable of producing solar panels until we had broadly held (known and understood by more than just one person or small group of people) inter-disciplinary understanding of the mathematics, chemistry, and physics required to know what a solar panel was and how to make one.  Unfortunately, it's a chicken-egg sort of problem.

We must take people with virtually zero advanced knowledge to sum-total of human knowledge, for at least two successive generations and preferably three, after which point the people can decide for themselves what to do with their new knowledge.  In order to do that, we must first meet their basic human needs.  In other words, we must protect people from criminal assault, feed / clothe / house them, and provide medical care in order to create an environment conducive to productive learning.  After we've done all that, then we have to teach them how to think for themselves so they no longer need us.  We must figure out how to work ourselves out of a job.  That's not an easy task to accomplish.  It's increasingly apparent to me that these problems have not been solved here in the US of A, and that's quite alarming.

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This is primarily for SpaceNut (at this point) but I note some interesting conversation between kbd512 and other members (at the time (2017)).

There are numerous examples of capitalist enterprises taking a chance on people, investing in them until they are productive, and then betting that they will remain on the job long enough for the enterprise to win back the investment.

This practice has been going on for hundreds of years in the US, and much longer in Europe.  I'm not as familiar with practices in other parts of the world, but would imagine the practice has been in place there as well.

In the United States, in Europe, and (from reading I gather) in Asia and Africa, the population as a whole has taken on some responsibility for education of the young, although the proportion of such investment varies widely.

So where I am headed with this is the proposition that it is not out of line with capitalist ideology and practice to invest in workers, in hopes of winning a favorable return on that investment, including long term investment in early education of children.

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Following up on Post #13 ....

It is possible to imagine a large corporation investing in the health, education and well-being of children.

Such a corporation would be making long term bets that the early investment would deliver positive returns over the lives of those it selected for promotion.

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The article at the link below is about building high performing teams.

The Large Ship project is definitely going to need one, and I'd like to see My Hacienda evolve in that direction.  The critical mass for My Hacienda will arrive when participants are thinking of services (or products) they would need for their specialty, and which they would rather buy (locally) than build.

https://deniseyu.io/2020/05/23/habits-o … teams.html

This article was recommended by someone I trust.  I scanned it to confirm it has the focus described, and plan to go back to study it more carefully later.

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#16 2020-09-23 17:52:24

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Not all poor have the same conditions that effect the ability to survive let alone get that foot up on the ladder of success. Some in the other topic indicate education but we know all of that will not make income as it just changes the odds. If the chances of good work is there and you can take advantage of it sure you can make a step on that ladder but the area must be thriving and not in an economic slide. You can only work with the dice that they have to throw for what choices can be made. One will always see that the grass is greener over there but thats not where you are and one must learn to make the grass as green as you can where you are.

So in this case education that is what you need is more important than the higher level which will not help at first improving on the life skills first. Which means gaining skills for better work and of course the pay which will aid in making it possible to get onto a rung of the ladder.


Mostly thinking about how this one related back to Why do we have Poverty in America and to this one. sure they are not of the same in the respects of lawlessness and other but after that is removed being poor is just a situation of where you are and what can be done...

For America the chances of a company that aids there employees is far and few between with

Large corporation investing in the health, education and well-being of children.

as these are very expensive in the day care and support to have that person working for them.

These get labeled liberal and socialistic by others and its really not that at all since a nation is measured by the wealth of its people and not a select few.

Of course we can just move right...thats not so easy in most cases and it requires those fund you might have to care for the daily need first.... So where is the JOBS Jobs Jobs why are there none and the creation of them...

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#17 2020-09-23 18:38:48

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For SpaceNut re #16

Can you point me back to where you were looking when you composed #16?  You've put some effort into your post, but I can't quite make out what it relates to.

In posts 13 and 14 I set about trying to lay groundwork for a concept about corporate development of workers.

In post 15 I offered a link to an article about building (and sustaining) high performance teams of workers in complex undertakings.

It is possible Post #16 ties back to one of those, or it may tie back to another post entirely.

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#18 2020-09-24 19:36:17

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For the understanding of those in need of assistance we need data to make good choices with. That is timewise use of hours in the day.
For the 24 hr clock we are sleeping from 4 to possibly 8 each day, with cooking and eating meals at hopefully 3 for 3 hrs, which leave the remaining hours for traveling, walking, seeking shelter, working, getting fresh water, a source of power, heating or cooling ect... the list is long for the initial getting started with many taking less time in the following days to come as some tasks are completed to be sustained with less time.

So that means we have a priority of need that must be tiered for one to climb to that next rung.
Sure the level of what we start with changes that list but we are in for a fight each day until we are not putting time into an activity.

This is the same for mars as we are starting unless we preload with materials, food, water and energy we are going to think of mars in the same manner in order to stay as the supplies will only last just so long.

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#19 2020-09-27 15:22:36

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The third world is faced with not being able to go to school leaving many to go and try to find work...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/as … li=BBnb7Kz

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#20 2020-09-27 16:33:18

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Re: Climbing out of poverty

For SpaceNut ... following up on #19 ...

The nature of work appears to be changing ...

Here is a hint of what may be coming ....

Business Insider
Google's CEO says the future of work involves a 'hybrid model' and that the company is already reconfiguring its offices for employee 'on-sites'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/go … r-BB19sWqD

Google CEO Sundar Pichai said this week that the company is making changes to its physical spaces to better support employees in the future — a future that Pichai says will include "hybrid models" of work.

In another topic, I have tried to make a case for development of remote teleoperation as a way of enlisting uneducated people with minimal skills in productive activity. 

If we (human society) can find a way for families to earn enough so their children can achieve education, then the problem will solve itself in a generation.

We have achieved that in the United States, during and after World War II, and China has apparently achieved something similar on a much larger scale in the same time period.

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#21 2020-09-30 09:54:49

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This is a little offering specifically for SpaceNut ...

LinkedIn periodically sends me a list of local (and some regional) job opportunities ...

This one stood out in today's collection ...

Chief Happiness Officer
Seamless.AI · (local city), United States


Actively recruiting

There ya go, SpaceNut !!!

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#22 2020-11-12 20:07:12

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For SpaceNut .... A local politician offered a virtual job fair a few months ago, and you expressed some skepticism about the effort at the time.

Now my email feed contains an update ... apparently the first job fair was successful, or at least not a failure, so the politician has decided to try again, and to enlist more companies to take part.  Here is a part of the email:

In case you missed it, I'm excited to be hosting my second virtual Job Fair.  This year, we're going virtual to make sure folks stay safe.  Major companies with thousands of open positions will be participating.

This online experience will offer the same opportunities of a traditional job fair from any internet-connected device.  You will have the chance to meet with prospective employers live via video chat.  It is free to participate. Click here to register for the event.

2020 VIRTUAL JOB FAIR

DATE: Tuesday, November 17; 10:00 AM - 2:00 PM

This is a step up in the number of participating companies, and note the claim of "thousands" of openings.

After re-reading the text, I realized this may be the ** same ** announcement as before, but I get the sense the response by companies has been greater that I recall from earlier announcement.

Edit#1: No, this ** is ** a new announcement ... the first virtual job fair was in September.  This one is November.

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#23 2020-11-12 20:25:49

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Most job fairs feature a theme or apply to a specific field or industry. For example, job fairs might cater to careers in education, business, technology or medicine. This allows employers to target specific types of applicants by choosing which fairs to participate in. It also makes the process more efficient for applicants, who can meet with several potential employers in a single session.

How job fairs fit into the hiring process. So why attend job fairs if employers are only accepting applications online? A job fair is an opportunity to do 20 to 30 informational interviews in a day.

Disadvantages of Job Fair: Even though there are many advantages of job fair, there are few downsides which make job seekers think twice about attending job fairs and also some organization have their own negatives of job fair. 1. Competition is higher: Mostly in any kind of job fair, there might be thousands of job seekers present in the occasion. 

After the job fair. Do follow up any job opportunities that you discovered at the fair. Email is good, telephone is better. Don't call during lunch hour or any other inconvenient moment.. Do send thank you letters with copies of your CV, especially if you ran out of CVs during the fair.. Don't pester these new contacts or be too insisting and appear desperate. Be courteous of the recruiter's time.

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#24 2020-11-13 06:04:56

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For SpaceNut re #23

The citation you quoted is out of date.

The local politician is pioneering online virtual job fairs, and in the modern age, when people can work from home thanks to the Internet, the text you quoted needs to be updated.

If you know someone who is out of work and looking for employment, I'd be willing to provide the details of how to contact the job fair.

My guess is the opportunity is limited to this particular politician's district, but it won't hurt to ask, and more importantly, it won't hurt to ask so that the politician who ** is ** where the candidate lives can be informed about what is possible.

I'm guessing (again without much to go on) that federal funds may be at work on behalf of this job placement initiative.

It's time to encourage this kind of outreach effort.

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#25 2020-11-15 12:40:43

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For SpaceNut ...

Today's news feed included an item from Starlink beta testers, reporting that performance seemed to ** improve ** when air gets colder.

That performance is reduced if the antenna is covered with snow.

However, the durability of the equipment is shown by its ability to withstand a 175 mph leafblower exhaust.

I wasn't able to find confirmation, but my theory is that the leafblower operator was removing snow.

In any case, it occurred to me that a neighborhood could band together to afford the cost of a station and the monthly fee.

This idea would work best in a densely populated area, such as in a city.

It is not outside the realm  of possibility that entrepreneurs working at the lower end of the scale may be able to take the lead in providing such shared services.  That kind of activity is (I gather) routine in developing nations. 

Edit#1: Apparently equipment is available to permit connectivity in a neighborhood less dense than an apartment building.

Amazon came up with this equipment, which lists for $70 per station.  You'd need two for each paying customer.

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Apparently this equipment can reach 18 miles, but in practice I'd be thinking about 1 mile or so per link.

The bandwidth could be shared between customers based upon some formula they'd all agree to.

An example would be that the Jones house gets full access between 6 AM and 7 AM local time, and the Smith house gets 7 AM to 8 AM.

Everyone could connect at any time, but the load would be consumed by the contracting household at its appointed time.

This service might be priced at as low as $10 per month if you have 10 customers, and if the service is used as a backup for whatever is the primary service to a location.

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