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tahanson43206

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Re: Chickens

For RobertDyck re #50

Thank you for providing a glimpse of the history and current situation of the Mars Society!

It is quite possible that the talent assembled in this forum is able to think of sources of income that could flow to the Society, to the benefit of all.

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This topic is about chickens.  Your Large Ship design could be (and in my opinion should be) adapted for many other purposes than just passenger travel, important as that purpose is.

Your (arbitrarily chosen) set of dimensions and operating parameters can (and in my opinion should) become a standard that everyone adopts because standards make life easier for everyone.

I am hoping Oldfart1939 will continue his quest to investigate the feasibility of freezing chicken eggs for transfer of living creatures to Mars, but I am also hoping his interests will stimulate design of a version of your Large Ship for the agricultural trade, and in this topic, for production of eggs and chicken for the LEO market.

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SpaceNut

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Re: Chickens

This is one of those problems that require a solution set that works otherwise it is bringing small chicks to mars and dealing with them along the way.

Rxke

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Re: Chickens

Chickens need at least a bit of gravity to be able to swallow water.... So live chickens in a LEO farm or en route to Mars will need a spinning solution....

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Chickens

Can a Reptile do the work of a Chicken?

People don't eat Lizard Eggs so much because they are more dangerous or more difficult to farm or because lizards look like creepy mini dinosaurs? Can You Eat Lizard Eggs? Yes there are Reptile eggs which are also edible for humans. Most reptile eggs have a leather type shell and not a hard shell like birds. Lizard eggs can have chemicals , bugs and dangerous toxins, the Parasites, bacteria and viruses, and to a lesser extent contamination from heavy metals are a risk. Fertilized or unfertilized, the eggs are edible and best gathered soon after being laid and stored where they will not continue to develop. Are lizard eggs tasty, some say yes others say no? While you might not think eating lizard eggs is worth it because they are so small in size, some people say that they’re a good meal and tasty. You can cook lizard eggs in a variety of ways one method they say accentuates their taste is to fry them. There are swap people in the US South who live with Lizard meats, these eggs can be a little tricky to break, because they’re leathery

Beyond Meat Expands Its Chicken Tenders Footprint to Get a Leg Up.
https://thespoon.tech/beyond-meat-expan … -a-leg-up/

Birds tend to die in micro-gravity, members of the animal avian family don't have that swallow mechanism in the throat like other animals that can suck up water from a cup or a pool of water, the characterized by feathers, toothless beaked jaws Birds can’t be brought into the outer space because birds need gravity to swallow food, I'm sure there are other ways to do it like creating artificial gravity or bringing eggs.

China launched guinea pigs to space in 1990, before their manned Shenzhou missions they tested flight with a dog, rabbit and monkey, animal species including six mice, and small aquatic and terrestrial organisms, they recently tested a mini bio-sphere inside one of their Moon Rovers. I assume they are currently continuing this science on their new space station, the Chinese station Orbits every 92 minutes and is about the size of the old decommissioned Russian Mir Soviet space station, it is still expanding and under construction.

Chickens need at least a bit of gravity to be able to swallow water.... So live chickens in a LEO farm or en route to Mars will need a spinning solution....

It would be an interesting project top get the birds alive to Space and onto another celestial body, although I'm a person who think Mars-first before the Moon ideas I think some interesting studies can be done on the lunar surface. Skylab 3 carried mice and fish in space (a and the first spiders in space. Japan had newt aboard the Space Flyer Unit,  Launched by NASDA aka National Space Development Agency but now restructure and renamed as JAXA.
https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/S/SFU.html

The Russia Bion-satellites featured an aquarium by the German Aerospace Center, they also carried 45 mice, Gekos, Mongolian gerbils,  Snails, Types of Fish and micro-organisms into orbit for 30 days before re-entry and recovery

Old article

https://www.business-standard.com/artic … 242_1.html

'Russia has long set its sights on Mars and is now targeting 2030 as the year in which it could begin creating a base on the Moon for flights to the Red Planet.'

maybe the times have now changed with sanctions?

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Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Chickens

Drone swarms can now fly autonomously through thick forest

https://techxplore.com/news/2022-05-dro … orest.html

SpaceNut

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Re: Chickens

not really a chicken post but not sure that we have it as a topic.

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Chickens

Cantaloupe as dangerous as 'Chicken' for causing salmonella is a type of true melon

5 now dead in 'major' cantaloupe salmonella outbreak as Canadian cases nearly double
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cantalou … -1.7053006

2011 United States listeriosis outbreak was a widespread outbreak of Listeria monocytogenes food poisoning across 28 US states that resulted from contaminated cantaloupes. It was the worst foodborne illness outbreak in the United States, measured by the number of deaths, since the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began tracking outbreaks in the 1970s, or tied with the worst, an outbreak of listeria from cheese in 1985, depending on which CDC report is used.
https://web.archive.org/web/20111108034 … d=14874373
A final update on August 27 confirmed 147 cases and 33 deaths. Fatalities occurred in Colorado (9), Indiana (1), Kansas (3), Louisiana (2), Maryland (1), Missouri (3), Montana (1) Nebraska (1), New Mexico (5), New York (2), Oklahoma (1), Texas (2), and Wyoming (2). Among persons who died, ages ranged from <1 to 96 years, with a median age of 78 years.[2] In addition, one woman pregnant at the time of illness had a miscarriage.