"Sanitizing" Movies (DVD/VHS)

Palomar · 2005-04-26 08:15:52

*Just now saw a featured segment on Good Morning America about private individuals "sanitizing" movies of nudity, profanity, etc., and reselling them as an "edited version." Recently read an online news article about this as well, last week.

55% of Americans are opposed to this, 44% are in favor, the remainder undecided/no opinion of course.

No surprise that it's causing a major controversy in Hollywood, especially as directors and producers of the original product feel their creations are being mutilated with their names still on the DVD box.

But doesn't that 44% approval of "sanitized" versions of movies send a message to Hollywood that they're obviously not "just giving everyone what they want to see"?

Will be interesting to follow this.

--Cindy

Cobra Commander · 2005-04-26 08:28:22

"Sanitising" a movie and then selling it is actually illegal, whatever other objections one raises. The owners of the copyright have every right to prosecute these individuals.

Editing a movie for personal use is a different matter, and I have no problem with it. If someone wants a copy of Pulp Fiction with no swearing or violence they can go right ahead. It'll be about six minutes long, but if that suits you. . . :;):

We also have the issue of the original filmmakers changing things, most notably George Lucas with the Star Wars re-releases and Steven Spielberg with the ET DVD release. For my own admittedly arbitrary and personal reason I have no real issue with Lucas (he's doing what he wanted in the first place) while I look down at Spielberg's replacing the guns in the hands of federal agents with flashlights in ET. But in either case, it's their movie and they can do whatever they want with it.

Of course for those 44% who don't object to the unauthorized sale of "Sanitised" versions of movies, can they really object to the same being done with "up-rated" versions of movies? Is then okay to add violence, nudity or foul language to movies and resell them?

At least when fans recut films and release them on the internet they don't make any money and usually have the courtesy to "Alan Smithee" the Director's credit.

Palomar · 2005-04-26 08:33:21

If someone wants a copy of Pulp Fiction with no swearing or violence they can go right ahead. It'll be about six minutes long, but if that suits you. . . :;):

:laugh:

Yep.

I don't know how they're managing to sell the "edited/sanitized" versions, but one man is doing this and they showed his "product" for sale on shelves. Unless I misunderstood something, and these versions are simply for rent.

It is interesting, though, that all these years Hollywood has made lazy excuses for whatever slop it's ground out on the premise of "we're just giving people what they WANT to see."

Obviously they aren't. 44% of America is sending them a different message.

--Cindy

Cobra Commander · 2005-04-26 08:37:30

It is interesting, though, that all these years Hollywood has made lazy excuses for whatever slop it's ground out on the premise of "we're just giving people what they WANT to see."
Obviously they aren't. 44% of America is sending them a different message.

I suspect part of that has to do with a marked difference in what some people want to see themselves and what they want their kids to see.

But that said, Hollywood never ceases to spew out copious amounts of crap.

GraemeSkinner · 2005-04-26 09:24:22

"Sanitising" a movie and then selling it is actually illegal, whatever other objections one raises. The owners of the copyright have every right to prosecute these individuals.

I agree, it's a violation of copyright to amend someone elses work without their permission and sell it on. As a photographer and artist I would be straight into court with anyone who took one of my images then done a amend & sell on it - same difference in my book. The same goes for literature, you could not take say 'A Brief History of Time' take out any bits you did not agree with and sell it on.

As to sanitising movies, do they still have the same feel about them after being cut I wonder - as long as its a real part of the story I don't have a problem with a few choice words lets say.

Graeme

clark · 2005-04-26 11:03:18

Liars can figure, and figures can lie.

44% of people are responding to a polling question where they think it is okay to sanitize a movie. That is not the same thing as saying 44% of people think Hollywood isn't giving them what they want.

My take, sue the bastards. Creators own their work, and the rights to those works. Someone wants to make a buck by changing a line or resquencing the story, then that person better pay royalties since their business cannot succeed without the original creative input by the originator.

That said, let em do it. I certainly don't care if some nut wants to stick their head in the sand. See what you want to see, hear what you want to hear- and leave me in peace to do the same.

In the meantime, I'm heading off to the library, got a dark marker and I'm going to "sanitize" some books.

Commodore · 2005-04-26 17:25:50

I have no problem with them toning down a movie, but they still need to kick back some profit to the orginial maker.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-08-11 05:23:01

When are movies just filth, propaganda or mind poison?

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I'm not for censorship but I prefer a movie with a 'message'

I also wonder if anyone younger than 16 should be on an internet when an internet can be as chaotic as 4chan, maybe wait until kids are 16 until they start downloading tv and movies and exploring everything on their phones or give them a very simple old phone that granma and granpa still use?

I kind of understood there was maybe something in the classic Horror movie the Slasher, the old Friday the 13th, Dracula, Halloween films, sometimes these old films not only were shocking and fearful but some also had teenage nudity. There were printed visual story like the old Tales from the Crypt, EC Comics, Shock SuspenStories, Vault of Horror, Haunt of Fear comic, the Golden Age also had Superman and Captain America sell war progapanda but then some old stories felt pressure from the McCarthyist era and a new comics code authority, comics got highly censored Superman was only allowed beat all bad guys and rescue cats from trees. Rules relax and stories got weird or darker again, big dude Mongul came along and almost kills Superman going into his mind, Bronze Age of Comic Books arrives Spider-Man doesn't always win and Gwen Stacy dies, Green Lantern/Green Arrow one of the first comic stories to tackle the issue of drug use the French and Japanese were fun for kids or adult and explored all kinds of dysptopia weird, the British came along and showed everyone how it was done with 2000 AD and Judge Dredd. Movies change in a post Vietnam war era, the Alien and Aliens was kind of weird disturbing gross look at Aliens and Space Travel, maybe it described a fear of the unknown like AIDs, a John Carpenter's 'The Thing' remake highly paranoid and claustrophobic, in more recent yeasr came a new Asia wave of horror Koreans adding new ideas to an old zombie genre and a Japanese new old way of doing horror with 'The Ringu' it added fear by atmosphere and less gore. Now you had video games exposing people to all kinds of adult themes.

I think fighting or nudity or blood or a level of 'gore' can have its place if done right and done artistically, not all film with flesh or violence will be trash it might have 'Art'.

Saving Private Ryan is a great movie but it has gore and blood, it will not be a film for everyone
Would Barbarella or Eyes Wide Shut be the same if you cut out references to sex or flesh
but like I said keep kids away from the chaotic insanity of web until at least 16.

The 'Torture Porn' genre of movies like 'Saw' I call these absolute filth and garbage, worse than previous video nasties, for me these films have no quality whatsoever but maybe like the internet and cults and groups where people of 'bulimia nervosa' or fetish or anorexia and other thought illness the internet and dvds and phones and downloads, this culture is a way groups can meet and it gives weird people a place to gather and collect their interests as a group even if this fandom is garbage and trash. In France came New French Extremity 'une classification cinématographique' it covered controversial films like Baise-moi 2000, and the gore High Tension 2003, Ma mère featuring incest, Martyrs is a 2008 psychological horror film of Canada France, another Frontiers or Frontière a 2007 French-Swiss horror film or Danish filmmaker Lars von Trier's Antichrist, starring Willem Dafoe and Charlotte Gainsbourg, was labeled torture porn by critics when it premiered at the 2009 Cannes Film Festival due to scenes of extreme violence, graphic sex, and genital self-mutilation. Some movies and tv shows like The Human Centipede or Hostel movies or some movies are so trashy and gore that in a ways I can almost understand why they get banned outright by prude Aussie censors or the BBFC.

Film censorship is less likely to happen in the United States so a nasty banned French horror film or in England and banned in France, or banned by nation country, it can generate hype or controversy and re-sell in the USA. The Films in India seem to have a moral Hindu element to the censorship and the government says they should be certified by the board to publicly exhibit it in India, including films shown in television, the India CBFC group considered to be one of the most powerful censor boards in the world due to its strict ways of functioning. In South Korea and Japan all Pubic hair and male or female genitalia are disallowed on the screen, unless they are digitally blurred, the Japanese although they censor the perversion of 'hentai' cartoon pornography and weird fetish seems to be everywhere. In Israel all German films good or bad it didn't matter they were all banned from 1956 until 1967. I had my exploration of horror or shocking movies when younger, I don't really need to check them out ever again, I did hear the USA banned 'Pink Flamingos' I never watched it I heard it was banned in many States for its weird animal cruelty, it had a lead drag queen freak, it had bizzare sexual themes more like a freak show and depiction of its lead character, Divine, eating dog feces in the end....I did not need to hear anymore and agreed with its ban or censorship. The last films facing a ban in the USA were movies like 'The Last Temptation of Christ', 'Hillary The Movie' and a movie called The Profit for offending the Church of Scientology. Many Canadian broadcast stations broadcast explicit programming under certain circumstances, albeit with viewer discretion advisories and at adult-oriented times on the schedule. CTV, for example, has aired controversial series such as The Sopranos, Nip/Tuck and The Osbournes in prime time without editing, and some Canadian television broadcasters, such as Citytv, in the 1970s, aired softcore pornography after 12 midnight. Germany these days will censor almost anything that might be Militarist or show a Hitler type guy or Nazi-ish symbol, they do not support violence in movies or games and Censorship in Germany has almost helped destroy their video game industry. The British tend to be more trigger happy when censoring or cutting movies, a lot of Asia and the Middle East countries will outright ban movies for homosexual content or offending a government social policy.

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Then came George Floyd, and, in the summer of 2020, everything that had been happening in slow motion started to happen much faster.
The Academy of Motion Pictures Arts & Sciences—the industry's central nervous system—had been founded in 1927, and now it had 8,469 voting members. It had tried over the years, and especially since Donald Trump's election, to catch up with the zeitgeist, inviting into its ranks a record number of new members who were black, Latino, women or foreign-born.
But that wasn't going to cut it any longer

Cobra Commander wrote:

At least when fans recut films and release them on the internet they don't make any money and usually have the courtesy to "Alan Smithee" the Director's credit.

Looking back on that strange re-used name years later, one of the few films to star
the scandal name of 'Harvey Weinstein' playing as Sam Rizzo

An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn a 1997 American mockumentary

https://www.allmovie.com/movie/v158753

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Harvey Weinstein a big money name in Hollywood business, Knighted by the Queen of England is an American former film producer. He and his brother Bob Weinstein co-founded the entertainment company Miramax, which produced several successful independent films, he is now a convicted sex offender.

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The bottom line is it makes no sense when we take the setting and the lore into account. But hey, it’s okay to do it with Lord Of The Rings with Middle Earth as a proxy for ancient England because…well, no explanation for this hypocrisy is ever provided.

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