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#1 2006-03-05 13:19:33

Dayton Kitchens
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From: Norphlet, Arkansas
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Re: Bimodal Nuclear Thermal Rocket, VASIMR, MPD, & MTF Propulsio

Bimodal Nuclear Rocket

VASIMR-Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket-developed by Franklin Chang-Diaz and often mentioned for propelling a manned Mars mission

MPD-Magneto Plasma Dynamic

&

MTF- Magnetized Targeted Fusion

are four propulson concepts mentioned on the HOPE website (Human Outer Planets Exploration) that could potentially propel manned missions to  Jupiter and beyond.

Which of these propulsion concepts is the closest to reality and which would be best in terms of payload and minimizing mission time?

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#2 2006-03-05 21:11:00

PurduesUSAFguy
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Re: Bimodal Nuclear Thermal Rocket, VASIMR, MPD, & MTF Propulsio

Well a bi-modal nuclear thermal rocket is the closest in terms of technical readiness. We've built and flown NTRs before, and basically the bimodal rocket is an ntr with a secondary working fluid loop that spins a turbo-alternato to provide electrical power.

VASIMR has some physics problems with it, as well as having some scaling issues. Lets not forget the enormous power requirement.

MPD: No idea, not flight test

MTF: lets see what happens after we have the national ignition facility up and running for a few years.

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#3 2006-03-06 06:52:57

GCNRevenger
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Re: Bimodal Nuclear Thermal Rocket, VASIMR, MPD, & MTF Propulsio

MPD and VASIMR are similar engines, with the "M" in VASIMR being magnetoplasma. VASIMR is special because its adjustable, with both a high thrust and a high efficiency setting. Neither VASIMR or regular MPD engines are practical for manned travel because of their really voracious power demand; there isn't a good way to generate that kind of output without weighing (and slowing) down your ship yet.

MTF: I have serious doubts. Too much has to go just right, and how much thrust will it produce?

Conventional solid-core NTR rockets are only a marginal improvement, they can increase payload by 50% or maybe cut a month (perhaps two) off the trip, but they are not a be-all/end-all solution.


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#4 2006-07-07 09:11:42

cjchandler
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Registered: 2006-06-24
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Re: Bimodal Nuclear Thermal Rocket, VASIMR, MPD, & MTF Propulsio

MPD thrusters besides consuming huge amounts of power also have major problems with electrode erosion due to the hihgly ionized exhasut and huge amp levels. However ther have been a few flight tests and many vacum chanber tests.


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