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knightdepaix

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Re: Terraforming the Moon - Your opinion, please

Well, my point was to create an ozone layer from lunar oxygen in silicates that traps energy in and converts ultraviolet into heat. Ozone becomes the dominant molecule in the new artificial lunar atmosphere but ozone can be lost. Can Lunar gravity keep ozone and can solar wind strip enough ozone that ozone must be replenished adequately?

SpaceNut

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Re: Terraforming the Moon - Your opinion, please

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/education/expl … ackground/

Something along the not so high level of a martian dust storm but for the moon to energize a flow of static charges...

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/marsd … f/6018.pdf

On Mars, silicate minerals, perchlorates and gypsum exist in regolith or atmospheric dust. It is known that silicate dust causes respiratory disease silicosis, perchlorates damage thyroid gland, and substantial amount of inhaled gypsum damages lungs. But with a proper decontamination chamber area it should not be an issue.

Aerosol-ozone correlations during dust transport episodes
https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/4/1201/ … 1-2004.pdf

so rather than creating a ionic dust collector we would be creating an ionic charged stream of materials to orbit around the moon at varing altitudes and directions to create a grid chage accross them to retain the air under them. With the dust acting like a cord field....

knightdepaix

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Re: Terraforming the Moon - Your opinion, please

My imagination follows:

The ideal gas particle for an artificial moon atmosphere needs to satisfy:

1) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a … 3516304869
Its abstract shows that about 95K minimum surface temperature

Out of this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gases
Only helium, hydrogen, neon, nitrogen, carbon monoxide, fluorine, argon and oxygen are still gas at about 95K

2)
Only Xenon and heavier gases than carbon dioxide are possible to not escape the moon.

Therefore, is Argon or Krypton the only possible candidate? Due to the atmosphere, hear from the sun are circulated by convention. Then Xenon can be used.

Or should the moon have an artificial atmosphere?

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RobertDyck

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Re: Terraforming the Moon - Your opinion, please

My argument is the Moon should remain airless. Terraform Mars, Venus, and at least one Jovian moon (Ganymede and/or Callisto), but leave airless Luna (Earth's Moon), Mercury, and Io.

Mars_B4_Moon

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Re: Terraforming the Moon - Your opinion, please

Why do all these countries want to go to the moon right now?
https://www.popsci.com/science/modern-s … -moon-ice/

Call it a gold rush, not a space race.

the Russians admit they lost their mission

'Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66562629

the above post 228 is interesting

maybe if somehow you put a lot of dust and sulphates and 'Antigreenhouse effect' gas like you see on Titan the Moon of Earth might get cool enough to keep CO2
the picture is interesting, it would suggest that a wandering planet a Cold Rogue Super-Earth sized planet or free-floating planet (FFP) may have lots of Helium, we are starting to find these objects and maybe rogue ExoMoons
https://www.universetoday.com/148097/a- … ut-a-star/
,
http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/news/186 … lar-System
,
https://web.archive.org/web/20140412095 … e=2014-109

as for the original thread topic, I agree leave the Moon until much much later. I like the discussion of trying to put atmosphere on the Moon and building cities as you might have in a scifi movie but for now the best advantage the Moon has is it can be a Railgun to Orbit. I think Terraform the Moon only much later when man has colonized other worlds, built those cities on Mars and figured out those fringe sciences only then should you think of Terraforming the Lunar landscape.

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Void

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Re: Terraforming the Moon - Your opinion, please

There are several reasons to go to the Moon.  One is that other nations are interested in it.  We at least want to be a player on the team for that, if not a leader.  But my view is that robotics should be the weightier part of that.

I have been suspicious of the Mars Roach Motel scenario for some time.  Anti-American/Anti-West forces trying to get us to damage our own future.  The scam is to direct us to Mars and skip the Moon.  The next play would be to pull the plug somehow and make the Mars effort go belly up.  A wonderful chance to waste our time for another 50 years, while those who do not favor us, at least hold us down, if not surpass us.

Basically, the play is for the enemies(s) to use words to get us to position ourselves to be susceptible to rape.  That is their best wish, but if not that to at least impede us from any success.

The truth that Starship may demonstrate though is that if you have Starship, you can access Mars and the Moon, and some Asteroids, most likely.

The effort for the Moon does not divert from the effort for Mars, as there are plenty of entities on Earth, interested in the Moon and willing to have it as their interest.

My belief is that words carry a curse to the human race.  It can be used as a blessing, but it breeds people who are basically stone aged verbal regressions.  Essentially talkers who can instruct violent minions to kill or enslave productive people.

The USA is not the only place where productive people exist.  I hesitate to name the other places.  But essentially the overly verbal with their violent minions, are the equivalent of zombie peoples.  With their words and the violence of their troglodyte enforcers the seek to eat the flesh of the productivity of those who seek to escape their grip.

And yes, even the USA is badly damaged by them at this point, but not totally damaged.

The breeding practices are a good part of the problem.  You can figure it out if you want to try.

Done.

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