The Martian Republic - How would you setup the Martian Gov

Martian Republic · 2004-06-13 19:18:01

OK, the topic is how would you setup the Martian Constitutional Government and build functioning City?

The City going to be 100,000 population, so it going to be a fair size city.

Just for the sake of the argument, let say that we get another pro-space President like Kennedy and he make another one of those speeches that, "I believe that we should commit ourselves to this great endeavor of building a City on Mars in forty to fifty year time frame and that we should setup a Constitutional Government to govern that city". Then he turns to you and hands the problem off and expect you to coming up with a plan to do that. He also expects you to hand in your plan to do that in a few weeks. He is basically doing another Moon Mission type statement, but on a much grander scale.

What would you do and how would you go about doing it?

Larry,

Rxke · 2004-06-14 02:56:01

Hi there, Larry,

I'd give him RobS http://rsmd.net/MarsFrontier/mars24.htm]Mars 24 scenario... Off-the-shelf technology (mostly), scaleable, versatile... And tell him a certain Dr. Zubrin will have to head NASA from now on!

Also, I'd tell him he's nuts to demand for a detailed plan within several weeks, look at GWB's statement<>current planning... Not much *real* plans have surfaced, yet.

'Bout the constitutional framework, I guess you'll have to submit your requests at the "Mars Politics" section on this Board. Plenty of ideas, heehee...

Martian Republic · 2004-06-14 10:59:17

Maybe I should break this down into more bit size bits, because I talking about creating both an economic, political, Constitution, transportation system and a city infrastructural system, the mining with farming and manufacturing systems.

So for the sake of the argument we will dispense economic, political-Constitutional system. We need to put it in place so we can finance our Martian City, but we use FDR and John F. Kennedy as our general model for how we intend to finance and use it as our general battle plan for building our city. I will have to give you some background information so that we will all be on the same page. FDR gave the Treasury Department the power to generate credit instead of going through the Federal Reserve System which is a private bank with government Charter to be the Central Bank of the United States. It was the use of this Federal Credit that FDR was able to rebuild American and also get us ready for World War II. Beside building dams and hydra-electric plans that electrified America, he was also using that credit to build factory for the war time economy and was turning those factory over to private individual to manage, so he created entire industries during the war time years. When they wanted to build a certain number of air craft, they picked a number like 10,000 and the number was so big they didn't think they could do it. We actually produced 15,000 air craft. Once they knew what the goal was, they could figure out what they needed to do to reach there goal. So Kennedy come along in this FDR tradition and he know the benefits of space. Contrary to most people understanding, Kennedy did not do this just as a "Cold War" stunt. He knew that we would have to develop new technologies and that there would be technological spin-off so he didn't just have a moon mission, he also had a Mars mission too, along with several other mission. You have benefit of having a unified excited population for a national goal along a technological advancing civilization that becoming more productive per man hour worked.

Is Kennedy right?

Well, for every one dollar that was invested in the Moon program, we got fourteen dollar back in business activities and technological spin-offs in the U.S. Economy.

Now keep in mind that we did not setup factories or mining colonies while we were there. If we would have continued the process, instead of backing away from further mission to the moon, building bases and/or city, factory, mining colonies would have been or the natural extension or benefit of going to the moon. Kennedy had a choice of either going to moon or Viet Nam. He choose the moon, it was only after he was assinated that his policies were reverse in part and we got Viet Nam too. He had an economic down turn in the U.S. economy too, so he choose the moon mission as his answer to the problem. The United States is again in economic problem, for the sake of our discussion the next President remembers Kennedy and his policies and say I can do that too. So he allocate one hundred billion of Treasury generated Note per year for every year for fifty year to finance the build of the Martian City. So we are dealing with four trillion dollars of Treasury Notes over forty year period to work with. So for the time being we will dispense we what it going to cost, government of Mars, Constitution or the economy and just deal with the Physical assets that need to be built to do the job.

The reason that the City on Mars of a hundred thousand people was picked was because it is just outside our technological capabilities and the current infrastructure that we have in place right now. Beside being an explorer, this City on Mars is intended to create new high paying jobs with technological spin-off that increase the productive capability of the average American and in so doing increase the GDP of the United States, which the rest of the world would also benefit from. We also knew that we would have to build two or three generation of next generation of Earth Shuttle and maybe two generation of Moon Shuttle and another two generation of Mars and another two to three generation of Deep Space space ships to get the job done as to the transportation system. If we are going to have over one hundred thousand people on Mars, we should also expect to have around two hundred Deep Space space ships of various designs for cargo ship, cruise ship, mining ship, etc. and so the government going to have to have a Write off system in place private individual that want to form those companies that can run those private business enterprise like they did in World War II for private factories. So we are going to have to revive the Kennedy tax credit system with a write off system so private businesses can buy the equipement to make our space economy work.

Is that any help to you?

You have to think on mutable level and from several generation of shuttle along with upgrades of one thing or another and how there going to affect what you what to do.This is just for the transportation system and we have not got to the city on Mars. But, your line of attack on this problem has to be down this line or you can not accomplish the mission set out before you.

Also for references, go to web site:

http://www.transhumanist.com/volume4/sp … /space.htm

Larry,

Martian Republic · 2004-06-19 16:30:06

Beside being the president that made the commitment to go to the Moon, Kennedy had other problems to deal with like the Federal Reserve System and Wall Street. I mention these other problems, because if Kennedy would have won, we would already have a permanent base on the Moon and we may also have had a permanent base on Mars too. Since Kennedy wanted to go to the Moon and Mars and they did not what to go to either the Moon or Mars, but conceded to let us go the Moon because of the Kennedy speech that we are going to the Moon in this decade. Also Kennedy wanted to Nationalize the Federal Reserve System and through executive order number : 11110 gave the Treasury Department the power to generate credit. Also FDR used the Treasury Department to generate credit to rebuild America, so this is a big deal and wheels some real financial power. You remind those who have forgotten or may never have known, Nixon in 1971 took us off the Gold Reserve Standard with the Brenton Wood Agreement and put us on the floating exchange rate which de-coupled the dollar from the physical economy and not too long after that, the NASA budget on several project got axes out, because we could not afford them, because they suddenly became too expensive.

Go to these web site to find out more about Kennedy. I will see what I can find out about Kennedy and his vision for America and the space program and it will be obvious that he wasn’t just thinking about the cold war, but was thinking of the future and the role that space should play in that future. The U.S. Space Program was not just about how much it going to cost to go into space, but it also about a philosophical war between two groups of people with different goals and with different desires and with contrasting policies as to where they want to go and things they want to do.

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/]http://w … nnedy.net/

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefedera … eserve.htm

Larry,

MarsDog · 2004-06-19 17:34:57

The constitution will be after Mars seperates from Earth. As the Boston Tea Party is the starting point for the United States; Mars will have a defining point, where they will not tolerate colonial injustice and interference.

Martian Republic · 2004-06-26 15:02:39

The constitution will be after Mars seperates from Earth. As the Boston Tea Party is the starting point for the United States; Mars will have a defining point, where they will not tolerate colonial injustice and interference.

But, that the point, we don't want a interplanetary war like the American Revolution between the colonist and Great Britain. The American Revolution basically was Private Banks and/or Private Corporation like the East India and/or Dutch/India trying to control those American colonies through trade barrier, credit/debt system and/or taxation and ultimately they had to use the British Armies in a military occupation of those thirteen American colonies to try and prevent the break away from British Empire. The only way to prevent that from happening is to create a constitution that is in the best interest of that future Mars colony and to deny those interest of letting those New York or London Banker and/or Corporation like CEO like Kenneth Lay of Enron or CEO of Halliburton like Dick Cheney from making there dictatorial claims against the Martian population which they will do for love of money or greed or out and out thievery of wealth and they will commit genocide against those Martians to achieve there goals. The only way to stop that, is to setup the rule for colony Mars, before anybody has a vested interest in that future colony. The reason that I mention that is, the Massachusetts bay Colony where there got a charter from the King to generate there own credit before they even left England to setup the Massachusetts and was able to build themselves up as a colony. But, unfortunately Great Britain went from being a nation state into being an Empire and decided that they needed to retract that Charter, because they didn't want Massachusetts to develop into a nation, but wanted them as resource colony instead. Great Britain went from being a nation owned by the people of England to a country that was owned by Bankers and Corporations and operating like a corporation instead of a National Government. The Martian colony has to start off being and continue being based on Common Wealth of the Martian People from start to finish and based on the "GENERAL WELFARE" concept of Government and never ruled by banker or by corporation.

Larry,

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