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#1 2005-06-27 18:46:26
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Re: Shuttle Fails Safety Test
After all this time NASA failed it's space shuttle safety test. They need to accept that it's flying days are over and move on.
-Find another way to launch ISS modules.
-Develop a true 'Vision' for space exploration. Something better than "Yeah, we are going to the moon and mars sometime in the next half century."
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#2 2005-06-27 19:28:37
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Re: Shuttle Fails Safety Test
All they needed to do was make sure crap didn't fall off the tank.
The rest is just gravy.
"Yes, I was going to give this astronaut selection my best shot, I was determined when the NASA proctologist looked up my ass, he would see pipes so dazzling he would ask the nurse to get his sunglasses."
---Shuttle Astronaut Mike Mullane
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#3 2005-06-27 19:31:21
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Re: Shuttle Fails Safety Test
The "safety test" that you speak of was never possible to completly pass in the first place, Griffin has said as much before. The ice problem is a calculated risk.
There aren't any other ways to launch ISS modules in a timely fasion, and thats all there is to it. They were designed for Shuttle, after all.
And whats wrong with VSE? A "vision" is simply a directive, a goal, not a road map. Perminant habitation on the Moon, manned missions to Mars, and (just) enough money to do both. As good as things have been since Apollo.
[i]"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those that do not have it." - George Bernard Shaw[/i]
[i]The glass is at 50% of capacity[/i]
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#4 2005-06-28 05:41:02
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Re: Shuttle Fails Safety Test
Ok so we have those that would only sonsationalize (lots of links for those) the failures of nasa to fix the problem of foam and ice debri from falling off from the external tank during lift off.
Panel Flunks NASA on Shuttle Items
Panel: NASA Fails to Meet Safety Test
NASA Fails to Fully Meet Final Return to Flight Recommendations
Nasa 'failed' on shuttle safety
NASA Fails to Fully Meet Final Return to Flight Recommendations
Then you have those that focus on what items were not completed as recommended by the CAIB which includes the debri but in addition calls for strengthening the orbiter and for a way to repair the heat shield while in orbit.
[url=http://www.flatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050628/NEWS02/506280333/1007]Panel fails NASA on safety
Three shuttle issues still unsolved; effect on Discovery launch unclear[/url]
Panel Calls Shuttle Ready, Wavers on Safety Moves
[url=http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/3243590]NASA missed 3 safety goals for shuttle, panel reports
Findings will be a factor, but won't necessarily prevent Discovery flight set for July[/url]
[url=http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-shuttle28jun28,1,3959954.story?coll=la-news-science&ctrack=1&cset=true]Panel Cites Flaws, but Backs July Launch
An advisory group says NASA has failed to make improvements in three critical areas after Columbia. Still, it says Discovery is safe to fly.[/url]
[url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asecshuttlesafe28062805jun28,0,7080406.story?coll=orl-home-headlines]3 safety goals for shuttle missed
The finding that NASA falls short of key recommendations likely will not postpone next month's scheduled launch of Discovery.[/url]
NASA falls short on 3 shuttle safety issues- panel
Board: Shuttle safe despite missing 3 recommendations
Panel Says NASA Still Falls Short on Safety Issues
Safety panel: NASA failed to fix critical issues with shuttle
Of course then there were the few that reported that experts feel that it is safe to fly or are they just accepting the risk.
Expert Panel Says US Space Shuttle is Safe to Fly
While we know that all of the staff have worked hard on trying to make the return to flight possible, blowing there own horn to mask that they are looking at possibly being right sized for the vision.
Langley helping send shuttle back to space
One must ask is [url=http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hsshut264322644jun28,0,6486869.story?coll=ny-health-headlines]NASA's future at stake
The success of the troubled shuttle program's upcoming attempt to return to space is expected to largely decide the direction of the agency[/url]
The shuttle program
More than 100 missions have been made since the beginning of the space shuttle program 24 years ago, but none since the loss of Columbia in 2003.
MISSIONS year and total flights made by shuttle:
1981 2 1982 3 1983 4 1984 5
1985 9 1986 2 1987 0 1988 2
1989 5 1990 6 1991 6 1992 8
1993 7 1994 7 1995 8 1996 6
1997 8 1998 5 1999 3 2000 5
2001 6 2002 5 2003 1 2004 0
2005 0TOTAL 113
We can play the blame game or clean house and with the new administrator taking the helm it has taken the form of the latter.
But some would say that it has created a'Climate of fear'; returns to NASA, watchdog says
Can Nasa steer us into the future of space exploration with the still to yet be prototyped CEV or will it fall flat with the commencement of shuttle flights with the looming risk and chance to failure on the horizon. We will only know the answer with time as we go forward with the completion of the ISS to part of that question for shuttle and of Nasa but the remainder falls on the shoulders of those in the space business of rocket design for the future.
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#5 2005-06-28 06:15:27
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*Yeah, I've been following the continued misadventures of trying to launch the shuttle again.
But I wonder how much paranoia is a factor. Of course, better safe than sorry.
Just scrap the damned thing already.
--Cindy
We all know [i]those[/i] Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...
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#6 2005-06-28 06:16:26
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Well, that's one way to make sure the Hubble is never rescued.
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#7 2005-06-28 06:42:25
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Amen Cindy
Hubble is a MACHINE, you don't "rescue" a machine, you salvage a machine. Don't be so sentimental, what human spaceflight needs most right now are hard-nosed people willing and able to do hard, unpopular things.
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#8 2005-06-28 10:08:57
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The Shuttle is still alive? Wow, guess I've certainly won the bet then... :;):
Some useful links while MER are active. [url=http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html]Offical site[/url] [url=http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Web.html]NASA TV[/url] [url=http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/]JPL MER2004[/url] [url=http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/statustextonly.html]Text feed[/url]
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#9 2005-06-28 10:16:28
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The Shuttle is still alive?
The term "persistent vegetative state" keeps coming to mind.
:hm:
Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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#10 2005-06-28 10:17:50
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The Shuttle is still alive?
*A portion of a song by Huey Lewis & The News just came to mind:
now the oboe may be barely breathin'
but the heart of rock 'n roll is still beatin'
:laugh:
Seems sort of appropriate; just replace "oboe" with Shuttle and "heart of rock 'n roll" with those of us still wanting to actually go and do something, and get certain big white elephants off our backs.
--Cindy
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#11 2005-06-28 10:18:41
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The term "persistent vegetative state" keeps coming to mind.
From the video you can cleary see that the Shuttle is still alive. It responds!
What, too soon? :bars3:
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#12 2005-06-28 10:20:46
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I missed it as always but here is the links.
[url=http://www.house.gov/science/hearings/full05/june28/index.htm]
The House Science Committee heared testimony from Administrator Michael Griffin on his plans for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration[/url] today the 28th and hopefully webcast will be archived.
Prepared testimony and line of questioning can be found here. with regards to "The Future of NASA".
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#13 2005-06-28 10:31:41
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Re: Shuttle Fails Safety Test
The term "persistent vegetative state" keeps coming to mind.
From the video you can cleary see that the Shuttle is still alive. It responds!
What, too soon? :bars3:
That joke is lamer than FDR's legs. :;):
"Yes, I was going to give this astronaut selection my best shot, I was determined when the NASA proctologist looked up my ass, he would see pipes so dazzling he would ask the nurse to get his sunglasses."
---Shuttle Astronaut Mike Mullane
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#14 2005-06-28 10:40:11
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That joke is lamer than FDR's legs.
Granted. 
At least yours is safer than a sleep-over at Michael Jackson's house with a group of Catholic Priests as chaperones. 
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#15 2005-06-29 10:24:08
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More from the testimony:
Panel's urgings called idealistic
NASA Administrator Michael Griffin yesterday told a House panel that some recommendations by the Columbia Accident Investigation Board are too costly and unrealistic, but astronauts will be safer when shuttle flights resume this summer.
Space exploration always comes with great risks of danger, Mr. Griffin told members of the House Science Committee.
"These next two flights are test flights. It needs to be fully understood that they carry the risks of test flights, because we simply do not have the capability to assess the efficiency of our improvement without returning to flight.
ADMINISTRATOR GRIFFIN TESTIFIES ON THE FUTURE OF NASA
opening statements by the Committee on Science
SHERWOOD BOEHLERT, CHAIRMAN
Bart Gordon, Tennessee, Ranking Democrat
can be found on this page.
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