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BWhite

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

http://isdc2005.xisp.net/~kmiller/isdc_ … net]Donald Rapp has submitted three papers and three sets of slides for the ISDC conference.

These appear to offer detailed analysis of ISRU for any future Mars mission. Very interesting stuff.

Add: Scroll down to the bottom to find the links.

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Shaun Barrett

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

Yes, Bill. Interesting stuff.
    I note they slam Dr. Zubrin's ideas about the human need for a frontier - "nice to have but we can thrive without it". I'm not so sure.
    I  think Dr. Z's assessment of the human psyche is probably correct in this regard. Just my opinion. 

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BWhite

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

Shaun, do you refer to McCabes]http://isdc2005.xisp.net/~kmiller/isdc_archive/isdc.php?link=personSelect&email=atmmccabe@earthlink.net]McCabe's paper?

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For better, I believe he presents on Sunday morning and we have an early flight so I will miss him. Its better because I might very well stand up and heckle. After all, everyone here knows how well I keep my opinions to myself.  :;):

But its for worse because the papers on either side of McCabe (the Rapp stuff) seem very good and interesting. Especially about the water.

Whatever our opinion of MarsDirect =IF= we can mine Mars ice and not bring liquid H2 feedstock the mission becomes a whole lot easier.

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Did you see my paper on how to leverage and coerce the media companies into supporting space exploration?

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BWhite

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

PS - - My paper focuses on the Moon, because our President said that is where we are going first. For better or worse.  :;):

My plan works just as well for a Mars mission, maybe even better. If a television network wants to broadcast live coverage of first steps on Mars, they must pay a pro rata of a multi-billion dollar fee, or else be blacked out.

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http://isdc2005.xisp.net/~kmiller/isdc_ … e.com]This guy Gerlach, has prepared a very detailed paper as well.

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Shaun Barrett

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

Yes, Bill. I'm referring to "The Irrelevance of the Martian Frontier" by McCabe.
    I agree with much of what he says but I happen to think the mere existence of a new world to explore is enough, in itself, to raise the spirits of humanity and give us a new and better perspective on ourselves.

    No, I haven't seen your paper as yet. Is it online somewhere?
    (Will look at Gerlach's stuff later - haftagonow! )

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BWhite

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

http://isdc2005.xisp.net/~kmiller/isdc_ … h.net]Link

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http://isdc2005.xisp.net/~kmiller/isdc_ … ritech.net

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Rxke

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

Thanks for the links, Bill.
Some nice stuff out there being done.
But it still show how much we do NOT know yet about the situation.
A sample return mission of some sort would be more than welcome, sigh.
After all, the gazillion measurements are still inconclusive, dang

Shaun Barrett

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

I couldn't get Bill's link "Posted on May 14 2005, 23:56" to open. Tried 3 times.

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Rxke

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

Neither could I.
Bill?

BWhite

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

Neither could I.
Bill?

Hmmm. . .

This morning (Chicago time) I cannot get any of the papers to load. Here is the main link to the conference:

http://isdc.nss.org/2005/]http://isdc.nss.org/2005

I will try later today. Perhaps the organizers are re-arranging the links. All submissions were due yesterday (14 May).

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Yup. The "submit your paper online" link is now broken as well. 

Supposedly all papers will become part of the official archives of the NSS. I will when I can.

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BWhite

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

http://isdc2005.xisp.net/~kmiller/isdc_ … come]These links up?

I can access all the papers, now.

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Rxke

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

jup. Thankyou!

The direct link to the list of abstracts: http://isdc2005.xisp.net/~kmiller/isdc_ … ...bstract

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Re: Mars ISRU - Two ISDC papers

More stuff to see and read.

The exposed links are all email direct user log in as for why they may not work.