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People with issues will probably be screened but with a growing population Mars will have more 'issues' and events. Mars might have the loss of a worker who was doing important duty in regard to power, mining, production of plant foods and water. Mars could have a future scenario where one person quits their duty at a Mars site for whatever reason, maybe its for a religious political reason and moves to another location. Perhaps they might have mental addict issues, charged with crimes the run to another location, a new artificial high location a 'happy' booze weed prostitute multi-cultural all kinds of people gambling town where they can feed their desire and addiction. They might run away to a rival Nation or Company and ask to live in that new Martian place, a different cultural political colony.
One day many years into the future inside your Mars dome with its limited resources, someone from the outside might arrive knocking on the outside wanting to claim asylum while quitting their own duties at their old Moon or Mars base. You do not know this new arrival, they wear a somewhat strange but also somewhat generic style space suit. You can not tell who they are, this person is of mixed ancestry something seems Hindu India, but also White Christian European ancestry, you have some indication of Nigeria, Brazil, also Chinese or Japanese heritage, other clothing symbols and items give indication of 'Northern America' the Solar-system web is down, the AI is not giving you any data, you do not know where this person has come from, they know English but speak with an accent.
If they come from a super planetary 'Corporation' a Solar System wide company there might be a procedure to follow, if there is a 'ColdWar' status between nation states that have set up claims to sites on Mars another set of events might follow.
Mars might have a 'Treaty' in regard to its land and Moons and other celestial bodies, there might be a rule to provide food, shelter, water and housing and new astronauts regarded as the envoys of mankind. The Mars Treaty might request Responsibility for Saving and Helping people in 'Need of Rescue' or other activities in space. The Rescue Agreement is an international agreement setting forth rights and obligations of states concerning the rescue of persons in space. The Agreement was created by a 19 December 1967 consensus vote in the United Nations General Assembly (Resolution 2345 (XXII)) came into force of UN Law in 1968 the wording of this Law is somewhat unclear whether this provision applies to, for example, a company worker or soldier or space tourist, the UN Space Rescue Agreement has been criticized for being vague. Back in year 2005 in Low Earth NASA considered use of Orbit Rescue ship Atlantis after the loss of Shuttle.
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Unknown to your Mars colony the new arrival from the outside might have some kind of 'history', they could have got tired of the worker conditions in the company, they might have violence or alcohol or drug problems. The new arrival is not known to you, they might have been Absent Without Leave event or abandonment working post without permission, there could be a political set of issues between Nations, Religions, Cultures and politics linked to old kingdoms and state, they might Dodging or Evading a Duty or be War Resisters looking for political asylum. They might have bad intent or good intent, they could be good people who protest a bad leader they see as a 'Dictator' and want to stay at your colony instead.
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I was thinking about RobertDyck's War topic, and am interested in your new topic.
The situation in the Middle East is complicated by the (apparent) fact that potential rescue nations (like Egypt) to not want Palestinians under any circumstances whatsoever. As the lack of land is an issue (and probably always will be an issue where humans are found) expansion of Palestinians into the Sinai Desert would seem like a reasonable idea. However, at the moment, that option does not appear to be available.
With modern technology, and a spirit of good will and generosity, that region could be made quite acceptable for farming, and thus self sustaining.
Your scenario of a habitat not wanting to accept an unknown guest is quite clearly present on Earth in almost every continent, and it is evident in almost every Nation (as nearly as I can tell from news reports).
I wonder if it is possible for humans to organize themselves so that everyone's needs can be satisfied. Wants are something different.
People can want the same piece of land, or the same artifact, and there is a time tested solution .... an auction is held and the property is accepted as belonging to the highest bidder.
The answer for those who want land and can't have it because it is in limited supply was successfully worked out by the British in the Colonial period, when the practices of the time dictated that first born males inherited property. Later-born males were able to relocate to the new colonies and claim land and create wealth, independent of the strictures of the home culture.
It does seem a bit ridiculous that land cannot be found for Palestinians, but I can understand fear of problems that Palestinians might bring with them.
Differing religions and cultural values are a factor. Egypt is hard enough to manage as it is.
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The Non-citizen sometimes is granted a number of rights depending on the region on Earth, the refugee or person wanting asylum also having rights, a stateless person is someone who is not considered as a national by any state under the operation of its law. If a colony on Mars sees a lot of deserter or refugees or defector arrive I'm not sure if it could have so many extra resources of power, food and water. Many Romanian ethnic Gypsy people also suffered in World War II, the term Statelessness also used to characterize the Romani people on Earth. Gene study and history records show Romani, migrated from India 1,500 years ago, the Romani, also known as the Roma, were originally dubbed "gypsies" in the 16th century, because this widely dispersed group of people were first thought to have come from Egypt there was little knowledge on people fleeing the caste of the far away the Indian Sub Continent. A colony which is not State-Run with no military and no police it might have a very Liberal laissez-faire attitude to its colony border, maybe an economy would grow by immigration or maybe its resources suffer.
People read less history books today and might explore virtual computer worlds. Some video game characters offer different advice to history, 'The Enemy of My Enemy... Is Still My Enemy!'
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend" a Sanskrit proverb and thousands of years later it benefited people but not always the wacko pro terrorist doctrine was also used extensively during the Cold War between Western Bloc nations and the Soviet Union. Sometimes they got good defectors other times terrorist pawns were covertly supported, other times a person became a politically useful allyof sorts.
In 1962 a Cuban pilot-instructor Jose Diaz Vasquez defected with a Zlin 326 Master-Trainer and landed at Key West, US. the other guy Edel Ramirez Santos asked to return home.
Two Cuban pilots defected to Florida. Pilot Jose Diaz Vasquez ask asylum. The cadet (20) ask to be returned to Cuba.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/259801
In history the name 'Benedict Arnold' became synonymous with treason and betrayal in the United States and is still used today, it was a time of war and the USA trying to win its independence against a British Empire that spanned the entire world.
In Europe a Ukraine guy Ivan Mazepa, defected from the Russian Empire to the Swedish Empire during the Battle of Poltava. This story would become a book caught the attention of the English poet Lord Byron ("mad, bad, and dangerous to know"), the Mazeppa the Byron poem was immediately translated into French, it inspired many musical works and song.
Some member of the more recent group the 'Cambridge' Five, quit Britain and defected to the Soviet Union, a ring of spies in the United Kingdom that passed information to the Soviet Union during the Second World War and the Cold War, five were convinced by the propaganda of Socilaist-Marxism–Leninism of the time.
In recent news
Accused of desertion or kidnapped, "Bowe" Bergdahl a United States Army soldier who was held captive from 2009 to 2014 by a Taliban-aligned network.
Judge vacates desertion conviction for former US soldier captured in Afghanistan
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jud … -101651300
A judge has vacated the military conviction of Bowe Bergdahl, the former U.S. Army soldier who pleaded guilty to desertion after he left his post and was captured in Afghanistan
Did the country of Israel or Egypt have more knowledge of islamists and jihadis? Both the USA-British and the Russia-Soviets might have backed foresight and supplied weapons and used islamics as pawns without seeing the blowback that would arrive.
I think the Nasser guy, some not sure if he was a hero or villain in Egypt but he had a knowledge of islamics and jihads but the typical West understanding was different.
The 1950s and 60s was a long time before the Iranian-events and the fall of the Shah, the last Iranian King. Nobody seen islamism as a threat, the Barbary Wars against islamic pirates was long, long ago, then suddenly the hostage event in 1979 was maybe when Americans started thinking of islamic terror Carter admin with the Iran hostage crisis, the Reagan Admin saw the 1983 Beirut bombings, 1998 the bombing of a civilian airliner over Lockerbie Scotland, Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit, Bush senior the 41st President of the United States George H. W. Bush Admin seen Assassination of an Israeli American ultranationalist Meir Kahane, during Clinton war in the Balkans the Serbs on the Russia side the islamics of Kosovo were said to be the victims of the Dictator Milosevic a Serbia Yugoslav leader and linked to the Communists, 1998 seen United States Embassy bombings across Africa and bin Laden's name was mentioned by news media, before this some had called him a hero of the Afghan war against the Soviets.
'Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long … 62374.html
Robert Fisk is the first western journalist to interview Osama bin Laden, ‘the Saudi businessman’ overseeing large-scale building work in Sudan
Robert Fisk died of a suspected stroke at the age of 74, he might have been a British patriotic type at first but started reporting from Beirut from 1976 and throughout the Lebanese Civil Warin the end become a critic of British policy and critical of United States foreign policy in the Middle East, and the Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090426204 … 38729.html
During the final interview in 1997, bin Laden said he sought the pedophile terroristic Moongod's help "to turn America into a shadow of itself".
If you go back to how nations aligned there is also fallout from ColdWar politics, one guy at times looked forward, an Egyptian military officer and politician who served as the second president of Egypt
'Gamal Abdel Nasser laughing at Muslim Brotherhood hijab requirement'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZIqdrFeFBk
In the year '53 we really wanted to compromise with the Muslim Brotherwood if they were willing to be reasonable. And I met the head of the Muslim Brotherhood and he sat with me and made his resquests. What did he request ? The first thing he asked for was to make wearing a hijab mandatory in Egypt and demand that every woman walking in the street wear a tarha (scarf). [crowd laughing] Every woman walking! [Someone from the crowd shouts] ''Let him wear it!''
Gamal Abdel Nasser could be forward thinking at times but was however involved in the 6 Day War against Israel, and the North Yemen Civil War which put him next to Soviet Union politically on the side of the USSR-Russia. Nasser is liked by some as he gave Egyptian some pride in their historical heritage, he began social justice movement for populists, a series of major socialist measures and modernization reforms.
The Man or woman born into muslim culture who quits islam is seen as a person who can be killed by islamics, if they change to Buddhist or Christian or Jew or Hindu or Athesit they might be killed by the mob of islamics, these events at times exposes how backward and violent the 'faith' can be and has people asking why death is the punishment for Apostasy. Sometimes a State will carry out the Death penalty Capital punishment in Islam for offending their book or 'god' Public executions continue in Iran and continue in Saudi Arabia.
People who objected to 'Nam' fled to Canada to avoid the Vietnam war, some wanted to avoid a draft, the deserters from the U.S. armed forces also made their way to Canada, Jim Green became a Canadian politician, in the 1960s William Gibson an American-Canadian speculative fiction writer and widely credited with pioneering the science fiction subgenre known as 'cyberpunk' went to Canada to avoid the draft.
Alexander Litvinenko, a British-naturalised Russian defector and former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) what used to be the KGB and Litvinenko was specialised in tackling organized crime. It was reported in media he was killed by Radiation poisoning (murder) Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalised, Litvinenko accused Putin of ordering the assassinations of Russian journalists and human rights activists, he had met two Russian ex-KGB officers at the Pine Bar of the Millennium Hotel in London.
Fleeing duty to some company or corporation might lead to events, but Nation States and Kingdoms are other political matters, a defector is a person who gives up allegiance to one state in exchange for allegiance to another. It sometimes describes people switching loyalty to political group, a team or another religion, defector are sometimes considered a 'traitor' by their original side, many Soviet (Russian) dancers defected during the ColdWar, a Belarus runner defected to Poland, a female Iranian taekwondo martial artist defected to the Netherlands, athletes from Cuba have also defected to the United States.
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Germany: Scholz says refugee number 'too high at the moment'
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-scholz-sa … a-66969033
through a special asylum process that the EU introduced in light of Russia's war. Germany has taken in more than 1 million refugees from Ukraine
There were rumors of criminal behavior in a recent event, the United States refused to classify King as a prisoner of war, in south Korea he acted irrational and aggressive was placed in the backseat of a police car where he shouted expletives and insults against Koreans, the Korean army, and the South Korean police.
He runs to North Korea
The United Nations Command stated that they were in communication with the North Korean government regarding King, the North Koreans wanted to throw him back across the border.
Travis King: Soldier who fled to North Korea 'charged back in US'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-can … gn=KARANGA
a United States Army soldier who crossed over the Military Demarcation Line in the Joint Security Area (JSA) into North Korea,
Eight separate charges under the Uniform Code of Military Justice have been filed by the U.S. Army against King including desertation into North Korea, solicitation of child pornography, assault upon fellow soldiers, attempted escape from U.S. military custody, and insubordination. The legal team his family has hired includes Franklin Rosenblatt, who was lead defense counsel for Bowe Bergdahl
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