Genetics

Void · 2024-07-14 20:35:35

I think I want to elaborate more. I suddenly saw an article on Utube, about the rise and fall of blue eyes. That is weird. It seems to do that though. If I look at something outside of Utube, even then it seems to have some awareness of that.

Eyes of course can be a feature of a face. Some cultures have seemed to want a uniform form of human. At least I have read that. But that was before, it may be that they choose to decorate themselves in alternate ways at times now.

Europeans and European descendant peoples have tended to have variations. Sometimes they might fight and kill each other over it though.

A face is a form of visual communications, a semaphore, I think. So that is one value of eyes. They can express things. Hard to say if blues or browns are better for that or not. Might depend on lighting and also the visual capabilities of the viewer.

In the future it might be possible to change the decorative nature of eyes, per color. Some people already modify the facial features surrounding the eye.

Where the face can be a semaphore, and the eyes part of that. there is another aspect of eyes. Identity. There is some notion of using eye prints for identity.

When I started talking about brown and blue eyes, I could already feel moron wall bump people thinking that we have to decide which eyes are OK and which ones are wrong. These are the binary people. (Stupids).

Eyes come in a continuum of variations.

If the human population is to dwindle down to one person, then we can have one type of eye be the only correct one allowed.

But Elon Musk wants us to reproduce. I am too old I think. But if others do, then lets say that we go into space and there are 24 billion people. Then we may want three times as much variation in appearance, (Within reason), to help support individuality, and to help the possibility of large social groups. It is like license plates on cars. If you have 3 times as many cars you may want 3 times as many unique licenses plate phrases.

And the above is what I have to say about eyes as decorations and communication.

But further, it seems that people who have lived at high latitudes may have developed larger visual portions in their brains. I have seen this apparent discovery put down. Saying that Norwegians for instance seem to have wasted this brain content on vision. Well, my bet is that when that is not being used for vision in the actual world it is being used for something else, perhaps imagination. Image In ation.

The Neanderthals also get a put down. It seems that they had larger eyes. They needed larger eye sockets to hold those larger eyes. So, the brow ridge, and perhaps altered cheek-bones. Not actually a sign of primitive or stupid, just of different.

Professors and elites always want to maintain that they are the test standard to measure others by. It allows them to have higher scores than those who don't measure up to that biased test standard.

Maybe Neanderthals had eyes a bit like Allita Battle Angel: https://www.bing.com/images/search?view … ajaxserp=0
Image Quote:
She is a Martian Cyborg with very large Mars adapted eyes, apparently. She may also want to have an enlarged Occipital Bun on her skull.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occipital_bun
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Proceedings of the Royal Society B, the occipital bun has been attributed to the enlargement of the visual cortex; this is hypothesized to be an adaptation to lower light levels found in the higher latitudes of Europe. This enlarged visual cortex also correlates with larger eyes among Neanderthals.[4] The occipital bun has also been hypothesized to function in relieving stress on the neck muscles, offsetting the weight of the Neanderthal's heavier, more robust face.[5]

Since her eyes are large, it may not be necessary for them to be blue, but I suppose some of her people might have blue eyes. I am betting that she needs more bone around her eye socket to protect the eye though.

Here is an interesting question though. If you arranged for a child's eyes to be blue, even though they were from a brown eyed lineage, would the brain rewire to increase its emphasis on vision?

Similarly, if there are mixes of blue and brown eyed people, do some blue-eyed descendants have a smaller visual brain than is normal for the blue-eyed line? And do some brown-eyed descendants, have a larger visual brain?

Or does is the brain so plastic when young that the brain adjusts to the eye type?

Anyway, this is how I think about things.

I have been wondering about these things for some time.

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Void · 2024-07-15 06:36:10

Just a little mention. In the previous post the word Binary, is not intended in a "Woke" way. I am rather traditional but tolerant. I am not likely to enjoy silliness in pronouns, and I am pretty sure I have an opinion about the nature of gender that would try to be gentle but without nonsense as I define nonsense.

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Void · 2024-07-20 09:03:07

It appears that aliens have started wearing bigfoot suits. There is a picture of one attempting to communicate with two Cyborg Deer:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lif … 69d2&ei=43 Image Quote: BB1qfPfh.img?w=534&h=355&m=6

(My best guess).

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RobertDyck · 2024-07-20 10:53:25

I haven't read this whole thread yet. As for multiple origins for humans: it's complicated. Homoerectus migrated out of Africa to the world millions of years ago. Homoheidelbergensis appeared in Europe. That was the common ancestor to Neanderthal and modern humans. But modern humans came out of Africa. Denosivan appears in Siberia, southern Asia, and southeastern Asia. All humans except some black people from Africa have some Neanderthal. Polynesian and Australian aborigines have some Denosivan as well as Neanderthal. Sherpas in Tibet also have Denosivan; appears their adaptation to altitude comes from Denosivan.

North American aboriginal people are believed to have come from a tribe in Siberia, walking across the Bearing Sea land bridge about 11,000 years ago. However, the Solutrean hypothesis is people from Europe crossed the Atlantic in small boats about 17,000 years ago. That's during the ice age, they hunted seal in the north Atlantic in winter. Some got caught when the ice broke up in spring, currents dragged them to North America. They would have been original Europeans, not the French that live there now.

However, there's a growing body of evidence of human occupation of North America before the Younger Dryas. A comet or asteroid hit, not as large as the one that caused extinction of the dinosaurs, but enough to plunge the world back into ice age, and caused extinction of North American horses, camels, and llamas. New evidence shows it caused extinction of humans there too.

RobertDyck · 2024-07-20 11:26:01

Mao Tse-Tung was the leader of the Chinese communist revolution. He believed Chinese people evolved in China 2 million years ago directly from Homoerectus. One Chinese scientist tried to prove that. He found Chinese people evolved from the same group that migrated out of Africa to Europe beginning of the last ice age. Give the scientist credit; he set out to prove a hypothesis, but when the data proved the opposite he accepted it.

Those in Europe didn't survive, there was another migration end of the last ice age. But begining of the ice age, some people migrated to Siberia. They hunted mammoth, aurocks (ancestors of cattle), Irish Elk (actually a deer as large as moose), wooly rhinoceros, giant horse, and reindeer. Megafauna. People living in Siberia in the ice age adapted to the cold. They made parkas, pants, boots and mitts from reindeer fur, with a hood so only their face exposed. They evolved a flat face, small nose, and fat deposits over their eyes. When the ice age ended, Siberia became wetter. Plants their game ate died out, replaced by woody plants. Reindeer ate the woody plants, but other animals died. Humans migrated south to look for food.

RobertDyck · 2024-07-20 17:16:16

Adaptation to Mars could involve genetic engineering. One interesting feature of the human body is that blood does not boil when exposed to vacuum. Vascular pressure is sufficient to keep blood liquid and flowing, even in hard vacuum. However, capillaries leak plasma into tissues. The body has a third system called the lymphatic system to collect this liquid and return it to the heart. The lymphatic system is connected to veins at a couple places: right lymphatic duct to right subclavian vein, thoracic duct into left subclavian vein. How do we drain lymph (blood plasma) into the lymphatic system when the body is exposed to hard vacuum? Preventing drainage of blood plasma into tissues wouldn't work because food, water, and oxygen must be provided to tissues. That's what blood is for. Tissues more than one cell away from a capillary is fed by that blood plasma. That blood plasma becomes lymph. Yes, there are white blood cells of various types in the lymphatic system, and addition of those cells is what makes the fluid "lymph". Off hand I don't think we can prevent that. What we could do is ensure muscles in the skin tighten when exposed to vacuum, to provide enough pressure to allow the lymphatic system to drain. Basically a biological form of mechanical counter pressure. Lung tissue, eyes, nasal membranes, may not be able to adapt to vacuum. That means a full face mask such as a fire fighter's face mask. Genitalia may also require protection. Walking outside on Mars with just a jock-strap, face mask and clothing? That would be a major improvement. Could that be genetically engineered?

If ears require protection as well, that would require a helmet, not just a face mask. Still sounds like an improvement. Or even "ear muffs" as part of the face mask.

While we're at it, genes from Sherpas to allow breathing in reduced oxygen environment would also be an asset.

Void · 2024-07-21 11:57:37

People in the Andes also have a different adaptation to Hypoxia: https://oxfordre.com/anthropology/displ … 4584-e-204

I have considered the creation of a Oxygen storage organ. Biological or Mechanical in nature. To make people more amphibious, perhaps able to hold breath for extended period of time. But also, some method to keep from breathing toxic air mixtures. And then we also need a way to deal with the bends. This would not only better adapt humans to space environments, but also aquatic environments. Also, aquatic environments that may be off planet Earth.

To have the abilities of a dolphin would be good. I believe that there are a people who can dive better than most, lets consider looking at them: https://phys.org/news/2018-04-genetic-h … 20to%2070m.

Perhaps related to the Tibet adaptation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisovan

So, do they suffer the bends as much?

Even just a bit more adaptability would improve human chances in space environments.

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Void · 2024-07-21 19:00:18

I need to make a correction to the previous post. The idea of a Oxygen reservoir organ in a human is still good, but we breath to expel CO2, so it would still be necessary to breath some sort of "Air" to dissolve CO2 into from the lungs. Possibly it could be very low Oxygen, but if it had toxins in it they could still get into the bloodstream.

So, it has some potential but not all of what I had posted in the prior post.

But: "What does the spleen do?"

https://phys.org/news/2018-04-genetic-h … 20to%2070m
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Evidence that humans can genetically adapt to diving has been identified for the first time in a new study. The evidence suggests that the Bajau, a people group indigenous to parts of Indonesia, have genetically enlarged spleens which enable them to free dive to depths of up to 70m.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=What%20do … cc=0&ghpl=
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Similar in structure to a large lymph node, the spleen acts primarily as a blood filter and plays an important role in regard to red blood cells and the immune system. It removes old red blood cells and holds a reserve of blood–which can be valuable in case of hemorrhagic shock–and also recycles iron. The spleen is purple and is located in the left upper quadrant of the abdomen.

Many people can function reasonably OK if they have Obesity. And perhaps ~~~1/2 of that fat would be in the body cavity. So, there might be room for an additional Spleen-Like organ. Adn of course they would not be Obese, so not having the long term problems that might produce.

A mechanical organ that might pull CO2 out of the blood first might be of interest, but of course then you have to worry about blood clots and the problems those can produce. The blood put into a mild vacuum and the CO2 then ejected somehow, but that would be a major challenge.

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RobertDyck · 2024-07-22 03:01:09

If you want to genetically engineer a soldier who is expendable, that allows much more intervention. Do we want to create "The Borg" from Star Trek? Or Jem'Hadar? You could replace lungs with an organ that has modified chloroplasts. These chloroplasts would remove CO2 from blood, convert CO2 and water into O2 and carbohydrate. That provides a source of food, at least basic food energy. Chloroplasts use photodye to collect light, which acts as an antenna to convert light to static electricity. The primary photodye is chlorophyll, but a small amount of other dyes absorb other colours of light. That electricity is conducted along photodye molecules to a site with a protein that cleaves two molecules of water. It takes less energy to cleave water molecules in pairs because creating monoatomic oxygen requires much more energy than creating O2. Positive hydrogen ions are released inside the thylakoid, and electrons are transported down the electron transport chain. My point is this starts with electricity, so instead of a photodye to collect light, a very small electrical conductor could deliver electricity to chloroplasts. If this is built by biological tissue growth, controlled by genetics, the tiny conductors could connect to a power source. Add an atomic battery, surgically implanted in the being. An atomic battery with a power life of 100 years means the being will never have to breathe.

The being will have to eat as a source of protein and other nutrients for tissue growth and body maintenance. The human body sweats as a means of temperature control, so drinking water is necessary. You could make kidneys more efficient and have the large intestine dry out feces to rock hard pellets. That would reduce water required. A marsupial mouse in Australia does this, gets all the moisture it needs from food, doesn't need to drink.

This being could have a small air bladder in its chest just to allow it to talk. Or add electronics with a speaker so vocal cords are not needed.

To avoid ethics, you could do a Jurassic Park recovery of Neanderthal DNA and base this being on that. Neanderthals were slightly shorter that modern humans, and as strong as professional body builders.

RobertDyck · 2024-07-22 03:36:46

I doubt you would want to do all this to a human. If you want to adapt people to Mars or other space environments, then we already have an organ to remove CO2 from blood, it's the lungs. We could do a lot right now just with intelligent spacesuit design, not even any genetic modification. An MCP spacesuit allows the astronaut to go outside in space, surface of the Moon or Mars. No surgery or genetic modification. It's a tight Spandex layer over the body, helmet with neoprene rubber air seal over the neck, plastic bags filled with liquid silicone over the generals, crack of the ass, and through of the lumbodorsal spine (small of the back). Pressurized booths with a hinges ankle similar to telemark ski boots, and a neoprene rubber air dam at the top of the boot /ankle. Neoprene rubber air bladder vest over chest and upper abdomen /stomach, and a non-strechy fabric over that bladder. The bladder can be squished from a cylinder into something from fitting with a two part plastic shell, front and back, held together with straps. The straps would be buckled on. The plastic shell could be just PET plastic, just thick enough to be rigid. To make it stronger and thinner, give it ridges like fluting like medieval armour. But to ensure it doesn't but into the rubber air bladder, the fluting must be cerved. The fluting can be made aesthetically pleasing; yes a muscle plate that makes you look much more muscular than you are. Or for women, breast cups with sufficient room for the air bladder, making her appear several cup sizes larger. Abs like Sheena or Red Sonya with breasts like Dolly Parton. ;-)

Of course all this is covered in a thermal and micrometeor protection garment. Mars doesn't have micrometeors but does require skuff protection. That means ski pants and a parka. For space or the Moon it would be multilayer insulation with Orthofabric like current white spacesuits. For Mars you would use Thinsulate with Tenara fabric. Orthofabric is a plain weave double layer with PTFE outer layer and Nomex backing, and every 3/8" two Nomex threads are replaced by Kevlar. Tenara is exactly the same PTFE, but no Nomex or Kevlar, and a twill weave like jeans.

Backpack for an MCP suit is very much smaller. A 2 litre COPV bottle of oxygen, 1 litre PET bottle of drinking water, and a container of silver oxide granules for CO2 absorption. The water bottle will require a plastic bag inside, a bladder for the water with an air gap between the bladder and bottle. Two tubes from the water bottle: a hose the diameter of a drinking straw for water, and a hose for return air from helmet to water bottle. The air system will have a hose with one-way valve from the silver oxide canister to the helmet. Another hose with one-way valve from helmet to air bladder vest. And a direct air connection (not a hose) with one-way valve from air bladder to silver oxide canister. This means the action of breathing circulates air, no need for fans. A pressure regulator will release O2 from the pressure bottle to the hose leading to the helmet. As the astronaut breathes, he/she converts O2 to CO2. The sorbent removes CO2, reducing pressure in the breathing system. The pressure regulator tops up pressure with O2. So again, no need for fans or fancy electronics. You can use electronics to monitor the system, but incase the battery freezes or fails, the astronaut can still breathe.

Notice the size of the 3 bottles of the backpack. Fairly small. Much smaller than current spacesuits. The reason this works is no cooling system. The astronaut cools by sweat. So the entire cooling system is a bottle of drinking water.

Void · 2024-07-22 07:39:17

Some Bio forming and Cyborg options are available as potential pathways.

The option for a multi-part entity are also available, potentially.

For instance, my mind could be linked to a computer which is "Me", and to a robot on the Moon or in orbit, which would also be "Me".

I am not sure what that would result in.

In this process we have to consider what would be the effects on society(s).

So, this would be a different type of cyborg.

But unlike a dual gender 2 minds association (Binary), this would potentially have a higher baud rate for interlinkage.

I would say "Go Slow" with altering the human body, and consider staying with historical and existing nature of Earth, for now at least.

So, rather than making descendants that are fish for instance you might a greater amount of amphibious direction. Not "Creature of the Black Lagoon", but maybe with enhanced ability to function under water.

But your robot body could be quite adapted to the Moon or Mars, and would within reason give you sensory information such as touch, even smell, vision, and even hearing. On the Moon hearing would be though the feet, but electronic communication are also an option.

There are limits to this however which might be considered. In the direction of metabolism, if you could design a human to run on electricity, either more or less directly, then you remove the stimulus for much of what we do.

Discomforts and Satisfaction of needs prompt us to be animated, and not planted.

I could go into the aspects of mating and directing of wealth. It is easy to go into strange experiments, but most of those lead to a long-term social failure. Idiocrasy as one pathway to doom.

But that would tire us out and kill the fun of this. Perhaps some of that later.

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RobertDyck · 2024-07-24 10:32:52

Since we're talking about speculative future technology, a lot happens once a quantum entanglement communication chip is invented. Instantaneous communication from Earth to Mars. So a normal human could wear virtual reality goggles and headphones, control a robot on Mars. It would look and sound like you're on Mars, but you're really in a chair on Earth. No body modification. Rent time of a robot on Mars, or a different one on the Moon. Or another on Venus, etc.

Void · 2024-07-24 14:53:13

Thanks for the interactions, Robert. I did a double check, and don't yet see a popular view that this can work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

I would be happy to see an advancement in that line discovery.

I do recall Ray Kurzweil indicate the possibility of a spaceship having a wormhole attached to it for communications.

https://www.shortform.com/summary/the-s … 8f04f7ae58

I don't know if popular scientific opinions support that possibility.

I think the Casimir effect was proposed to produce the wormhole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

I would be very happy if anything could allow faster than light communications between two points in space-time.

So, for now in my little world, Time Latency is a law, and in some ways a gift.

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Void · 2024-07-26 11:43:39

OK, this is dangerous territory, but I believe I have some "Magic Charms" of ideas to protect myself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSuezRJrXYM
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Mysterious Genetic Origins of Blue Eyes - Evolved 250,000 Years Ago?
Highly Compelling
55.8K subscribers

The stupid use of blue eyes was by the NAZI. They thought they were markers for advanced people, and so they sent them in mass to kill other people who had similar traits. They did very big damage to those who have lighter pigmentations, by exposing them to accelerated methods of death and maiming.

I have been developing my own ideas about pigmentations. Light pigmentation is not only variation in sunlight but could be associated to technological work in poor lighting conditions.

My primary concern here is eyes, and not skin pigments, but I suppose there may be a connection.

It seems that blue eyes may be a bit better in poorer lighting conditions, and large eyes such as the Neanderthals may have had also would do better in poor lighting. Brown eyes are better in full sunlight and presumably smaller eyes are also good enough for full sunlight.

Dawn and Dusk represent times when more sensitive eyes might be useful. In my area currently white-tailed deer like to move about at dusk. So, if you needed to kill and eat dear, eyes appropriate to low lighting may be helpful.

Moonlight may also be an opportunity to take advantage of such eyes.

And locations at high latitudes also may have winters which might challenge less sensitive eyes.

But we also have the issues of cold, fire, and clothing.

The Inuit are an interesting people. As far as I know they do not tend to have blue eyes, but I don't know how large their eyes are. They did not become pale, even though they live/lived in a very cold climate. One theory has it that they ate a lot of sea food, so that they did not lack vitamin 'D". As for the Eyes, I will suggest snow blindness as a problem for sensitive eyes.

They were a very technological people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_goggles
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Inuit goggles made from caribou antler with caribou sinew for a strap

So, they had to cope with very bright conditions at times, but also would experience dim conditions as well. It is ambiguous.

When they were indoor, they might have relied on an oil lamp for light and heat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qulliq
So, this would be low light conditions. It is possible that some work would be done in these conditions. In many cases by females.
But also, perhaps some work by males. I don't know about that.

The pressures to adopt light pigmentation genes may not have been there, and also, they may not have mingled with sources of such genes. They also likely moved around to get to needed food sources, which would imply traveling in bright sunlight much of the time, I would think, on relatively clear days if possible.

But technology having a large eye and hand component we might wonder about the possible enhancement of their visual brain parts.

The Inuit would have clothing on over almost all of their bodies, almost all of the time when the sun was shining. But it is thought that they got their "D" from sea food, so they did not turn too light.

On the other hand, some Arabs are very light skinned even in lower latitude desert locations. It is thought that this is due to wearing lots of protective clothing most of the time and having the genes available for light skin in the first place. The Inuit may never have had exposure to light skin genes, and so could not evolve it even under pressure.

It may be that being indoors around a fire or lamp would give pressure for more sensitive eyes. Being indoors would be prompted by having no reason to be outdoors in the sunlight, and cold would have prompted indoors preference, and also the wearing of protective clothing.

We cannot suppose that the Neanderthals did not do work around a campfire. and it might even be possible that they could have had some equivalent of an oil lamp. People who did cave art may likely have had some source of light. Oil lamps would have been more efficient than torches. Campfires are dangerous in caves per asphyxiation risks.

So, technology may allow for more "Indoors" time or at least more "Campfire" time to do work in low lighting conditions.

I think that what we call Europe has some similarities with what we call India. However, the imposed lighting conditions are different.

Indoors time in India may be a waste of time for most people in India much of the time. And the needs for clothing are different.

I have a notion of the "Median" of gene flow. Typically, I divide that into three to six directions in a perimeter from such a place. I do not use binary. Europe and India are similar, and also have a genetic median where genes flow from three or six directions. I choose that as a multipart flow might be divided that way. It is not a mandate.

But the pressures for selection are different for historical Europe and historical India.

Climate and technology play roles. Pigmentation for the "Median" peoples is likely to be different therefore, even though the two groups may have some similarity from similar gene sources or parallel evolution forces.

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Void · 2024-07-27 11:45:02

This is a bit of mischief or fun:

This is my ethnographic map of Europe. It helps me understand what is going on.

I can make one for India, North America, and South America, but you have to rotate things around for that. I need to get on with my day.

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Void · 2024-07-27 12:37:31

OK, I will try India, as I seem to be wanting to waste a day away, then I may do North America:

The question of what powers these structures? Well, I am somewhat comfortable with genetic inertia, but maybe there is something else.

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Void · 2024-07-27 13:08:56

Here is North America as I see it:

Unfortunately, I think much of the trouble today is from the inflation of this structure, the government buildings are more towards one corner and not towards the 3- or 6-point median places. There is a suspicion that things have been not democrat even though claiming to be such.

I no like.

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South America is left.

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Void · 2024-07-27 13:36:39

Here is my current notion of South America:

I may want to try to detect and correct things in these. Space Relations in the mind can be tricky.

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Void · 2024-07-27 13:38:23

As I have said, these are to try to analyze processes, but I am sure some jerks will find something bad to do with them.

There is a fear of the four faces, the final empire from the bible. Well, if it is ordained then it is.

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Void · 2024-07-28 11:42:24

Found this today, some interesting things in it: https://www.youtube.com/@evoinception

I happened on to it while looking at a video about Aboriginal Peoples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phKM3VNpSS4

That is very interesting, but I want to point out what I think may be a relationship between Ancient Greece and the Atlantic/Artic coasts of what I call Europe which I choose to say can include Russia, at least in part.

I don't say that these are even theories, but simply somethings that catch my "Eye".

https://www.thoughtco.com/maps-of-ancie … ce-4122979
Image Quote: Greece_and_its_colonies_in_550_BC-e792754c82e24b61b931ed57bf98ae92.jpg
It can be seen that many times the Greek culture had "Windows" on Eurasia. We tend to think of it as a Mediterranean culture only, but it was not so much so as that suggests.

I believe that in some cases where there is a balance between the polarity of Africa and China, representative government may be facilitated. Not guaranteed, rather I think that it is a factor that can be helpful.

I believe that democracy is the road to dictatorship, and the representative government with internal partitions, Unions of States, Unions of Provinces, even unions of Kingdoms can be helpful.

So, I think that the current policy of trying to subordinate Russia is not in the interest of the Atlantic/Artic/Pacific West.

The attempt to rule the world with a Western Roman Empire set of tools, will fail. It was due to various peoples getting out from under that sort of power that we have arrived at this current world situation.

I think I see pairs. Rome-Moscow, France-Poland, London-Stockholm as some of these. Also, Iberia-Siberia. The Atlantic Coast of Europe was a place where it seems what we call progressive thinking emerged. The Arctic Coast was limited by winter ice, but overland routes helped overcome this. The Swedish Vikings, traveled deeply into Eurasia at times.

Vikings got fairly south in the coast at a time as well. Columbus visited Iceland and probably read their documents about the America's.
https://www.icelandicroots.com/post/201 … in-iceland
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Writer's picture
Sunna Olafson Furstenau
Christopher Columbus in Iceland
Updated: Jan 5, 2021

Did you know Christopher Columbus stayed in Iceland for an entire winter? In 1477, he sailed to Iceland and stayed at the farm called Ingjaldshóll (Ingjaldshvóll). He undoubtedly learned about the settlement of Iceland, of the Vikings sailing to the New World, and about the travels of Leifur Eiríksson, Þorfinnur Karlsefni, Guðríður Þorbjarnardóttir, the little baby Snorri, and the rest of those who had been in North America five centuries earlier.

And sometimes the Spanish were as much jerks as the Vikings could be. But the influences Iberia<>Siberia were there, over time.

Except for a 50-year occupation by Norway, Iceland has been a republic for 1000 years. And they kept very good records. The little ice age cut their expansion short and pushed it back a bit as well. Extinction in Greenland, and near extinction in Iceland.

The East Coast of the USA early on when bounded by the Appalachians, had its own Eurasia, as that the existing people west of that range were Pseudo=Siberians. I believe that this set up the conditions to spark the existence of our country.

Our problem with the use of language, I think the phrases, Black, White, and then "People of Color", I seen them as imprisoning structures.

They may blind us to what is true.

The Democrat party is not at this time so much a thing of the old south. New people in other areas have taken sponsorship of people of African descent, and I don't think this situation is very healthy for our country. It unbalances things and does not preserve the balance between what I see as two polarities.

Asians are a "Whole nother thing", but "People of color" seeks to tuck them in under the power pyramid formed by the new sponsors, and the people of African descent. It is so very unlikely to work.

Anyway. That's enough for now.

I think things can be good for North America and many other places that have some resemblance to it.

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Void · 2024-08-01 22:48:17

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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Sea Outcasts: How Filipino Tribes LIVE in Deadly Seas ?? - Full Documentary

So, reportedly they might hold breath for as long as 13 minutes.

I have to wonder if they also have tolerance for CO2 buildup in their system, which would make most people want to breath.

It might be that an artificial supplemental spleen could be created for implant to people.

Of course, Tibet and the Andes have two different adaptations to low Oxygen levels.

These could all be helpful for space adaptations.

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Void · 2024-08-06 13:47:52

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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Evolutionary Psychologist Gad Saad Explains the Woke Mind Virus & Its Impact on Mankind | Real Talk
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I have covid-19 again so it seems, so I have to be isolated, so you will get my presence.

I hesitate to add my thinking here, but if I do keep in mind that my thoughts are not to lean on the presentation of the video above.

I think I will speculate that the use of memes to do swindle with genes and the wealth that supports gene persistence, is the problem. Given a choice, if I had such a control I would seldom if ever want to see a gene pattern and similar disappear entirely.

The Meme based swindle that I am talking about is where goods and services generated by competent elements of a society are diverted by Meme Swindle to favor the persistence of Memes and Genes of Swindle skills.

Universities are not normal, they do not have the selective processes of the Universe. They are instead ruled to a greater degree than is normal by fantasies in the human mind.

And of course everyone wants "Money for Nothing, and Chicks for Free", except the Chicks which want to get materials goods and security for free, and still be allowed to propagate males which have reprehensible skill sets, such as violence and psychopathy.

It is something like that anyway, on average, I think.

The Gene and Meme set selected for in a human population by material necessity imposed by a real physical environment is then replaced by a cancerous greedy set of Memes and Genes that feed on the responsible populations, and then so kill the productivity needed for persistence..

That is what I currently think.

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Void · 2024-08-07 12:37:21

My last post was perhaps a little dark. Perhaps I was running a fever. But I believe it.

The society which is directed from positions of power to disable individuals from bonding male and female, can then charge admission to the lives of those they have perverted. Divide and conquer of course.

But there are consequences for playing those cards, in the long run.

A "Massive" cultural flaw that I see is likely to be actual is "BIG!".

Your body parts are not big enough. You are not tall enough. Why aren't you as good looking as the exceptional people that we show you on the screen?

I am a sort of person who will investigate the foundations of things, to drill down and seek to find them.

Many people do not do that so they get easily fooled, to surrender their lives and then be obligated to buy a ticket to attend their own life.

A little more understanding may allow you to disengage the parasites from you.

I could go into details, but well I have already gone too far as it is, perhaps.

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Void · 2024-08-07 20:03:48

A thing(s) that have interested me are the contrast between the Blabber Mouth Peoples and the Steppe Silent Peoples. Also interesting are the European Hunter Gatherers. I call the Anatolian Farmer People the Blabber Mouth People here, or at least they have a closer association with the Blabber Mouths.

https://indo-european.eu/tag/yamnaya/
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People in the south have a lot to Blabber about apparently.

I have noticed some patterns. Generally, the peoples in the north do not want to be ruled by vertical power from the south. I am not criticizing anybody's theologies here. But I see a curious pattern(s).

Even the Romans gave up on Scotland, although I also sometimes think that maybe they were clever, thinking that jerks would go hide up there and not continue to be a problem. But maybe they recognized that Steppe descended people were a problem to deal with.

Since the Blabber Mouths seem to have written most of the records we have I have to suppose that there is a lot of propaganda in those, favoring the Blabber Mouth side of Stories.

In the North from West to East, we have the Protestants, who seem to have decided that Blabber Mouths are not worthy.

Then Poland and other North Catholics. The Russian Orthodox. My theory is that the Poles chose as they did because they kept getting beat up by the peoples from the west and the east of them. It would be sensible to seek an ally in Rome, London, or France.

The Russians never had to do a reformation on Byzantium as the Ottomans were beating the hell out of them.

But these are my personal notions they are not established facts.

Even when the English Throne did what it did to create the Anglican Church, the other Protestants did not fit in.

They managed to alienate the residual Catholics, and also the other Protestants. You had to be in the Church of England to be in the ruling classes, and likely your education degree was in Blabber Mouthing.

The Silent Steppe people are suspected of many inventions and some association with technology. The Blabber Mouths simply want to own all the land and people.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a time machine, I would expect the Steppe people to kill me sooner, perhaps the Blabber Mouths would enslave me first.

But you see this is why I do not think well of efforts to project power from Blabber Mouth land into the Silent lands. So, far it has not ended well for the Blabber Mouths. And it appears that the Romans may have known better. They just bought slaves from the Silent lands.

Ideas in this post subject to revisions upon better understandings hoped for.

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Void · 2024-09-17 07:38:33

This article seems to suggest that Neanderthals may have been fussy about who they would crossbreed with: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … f851&ei=38
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Scientists Sequenced the ‘Last Neanderthal’s’ DNA—and It Alters Human History
Story by Michael Natale • 1h • 3 min read

In some cases, I think that a tribe will adopt an outsider, particularly if they seem fit. Typically, females are adopted, but if some Neanderthals did not crossbreed, then there would be no gene flow to "Update their software", with the latest and greatest new features.
Boys tend to be homebodies, more so.

A proper use of gene flow is to have the correct amount of isolation genetically but not a complete isolation.

Humans are attracted to fitness usually. This can take the form of features that are gracile on one hand and robust on the other. Adoption of orphans is another way to collect new genes into your group. So, if attractiveness is a feature of an orphan, then that could facilitate adoption. On the other hand an anti-social orphan or obviously unfit orphan may not have as good chances for adoption.

But this might not aways work well. Old materials I read a long time ago about Japan and the Ainu suggest it may not always work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people

The Ainu reportedly would adopt Japanese people, but the reverse did not happen. Although the Japanese people are apparently a mix of several local peoples, in their culture now they seem to generally reject crossbreeding, at least in Japan. And yet the Japanese people are strongly dominant against the Ainu.

So, the logic that leads to dominance is not always the same apparently.

However, Japanese who live outside of Japan may not be as insular, I am supposing.

Slavery is a more unpleasant form of adoption, but nevertheless can bring new genes into a pool. However, the Arabs and many others tended to castrate all male slaves, so less true for the male line in that case.

I think that one of the possible sources of the fall of civilizations is allowing a dominant subgroup to replace the other subgroups

The mistake of favoring the breeding of dominant types is a mistake, as there is for instance an optimal size for humans, which on average was the source of the original success of a group. To exterminate the other subgroups because you are impressed with large size or other forms of dominance is going to damage a gene pool, and so then help a civilization to become incompetent.

American culture has an unhealthy obsession with "Big".

My understanding is that East Asian cultures do not have that obsession.

If you allow your gene pool to become lop-sided, then you will eventually become open to conquest from the outside. And this then will bring in alternate genes, but not necessarily bring your civilization up to the same healthy distribution that it had when the original founders founded that civilization.

So, there are multiple ways to adopt from potential gene flows and also there are likely ways to cause your gene pool to become lopsided and incompetent. Big Dominant Dummies is one such path.

It is not likely that all useful genes can be carried in one individual. So, then while thinning the gene pool can eliminate less useful genes, also it can promote a rising incompetence in the population expected to support the existence of an apparently well-functioning culture.

An antidote for the "Big Dominant Dummy" problem could be to favor the male selection of "Fairy Princesses", but that then could lead to incompetence of another kind. Not being robust enough to deal with reality.

I suspect that East Asia has done more of that, but maybe not to an excess in many cases.

The path to "Big Dominant Dummies" is the path to adaptation to the stone age in my opinion. The Fairy Princess path is towards the space age, but it could easily be taken too far.

E.T. seems to emerge from a Fairy Princess notion usually.

One of my main questions about E.T. in the public mind is why are they usually not wearing clothes or protective equipment, and why no special organs of male and female? Lacking our familiar organs seems plausible, but why visit an alien world and prance about naked?

Shouldn't they be subject to allergies and infections?

This fell into my lap. It seems that the Romans had a method to adopt whole groups of people into their culture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyoVVSggPjY
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Gregory Aldrete: The Roman Empire - Rise and Fall of Ancient Rome | Lex Fridman Podcast #443
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That explains quite a lot.

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