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if there is matter, there is sound.  so, yes, a scream on mars would be heard. 

I don't know if blood would boil on mars, but I bet it does.
Trust me. :;):

last I read on asteroids was that most are actually large gravel piles held together by gravity or ice.  perhaps one of these distengerated as it fell through the atomphere and that would explain everything, including the explosion (a lot of matter travelling really, realy fast can make a lot of noise energy. . . .

why does it matter?  co2 is co2 and O2 is O2 regardless of where it came from.

oh yeah by the way, it was Lou Dobbs who wrote about the strength of metal being 300-900x stronger.  sorry it took so long!

how about we just name the larger colonys formally and number the smaller ones (if numurous).  The crew could then name it whatever they like (informally, of course) and then let things take their own course. . . .

what about Xenogears?  That is an awesome game.  At least it has a fantasic story to it (unlike doom)

Primative life is pretty horrible. . .think of all the lung diaseses one would get by standing next to a fire 24/7.  Not to mention I myself would almost certianly be near useless to a primative band without my eyeglasses and cochlear implant which allow me to partipate fully in a industrial society.  In a primative society I would probably be killed if they couldn't control me (I'm 6-2, 250 pounds of heavyweight wrestler) due to inabilty to communitcate.  In a primative society I would be a lot of dead meat, but in a industrial soceity I can participate in anything I really want, and share and communicate with the world.  Not to mention there are people freed up enough form gathering food in industrial soceity to teach me to speak, so I can return to it. . . . . .

subjectivly speaking, I am more useful to industrail society, and industrial society is more useful to me.  Objectively, the individual has more to gain in an industrial society than a primative society (support, techology)

More like the majority.  Those who would not be able to help in a primative society can assit in a industrial society.  It is a spinoff of not having all the able bodied people gathering food.  Instead, the able bodied people now help add more able bodied people.  And, of course the very defination of able bodied changes. . .It becomes more exstensive and goes beyond physical capabilities.

Now, for the big question.

To what end is industrial soceity headed?  But we must not forget to what end primative society is headed. 

    I resort to the social contract, which is (as most of you should know) when the people subject their own liberty to permit law and order.  When there is a gross violation of that contract, what almost always ensures is a revolution with a replacement that may or may not be the law and order type.
           When I say "gross violation"  the specific defination is not based on reality, but the perception of the masses at large in relation to the held ideals of these masses.  (explains why revolutions are typically so damn-fool idealistic.)
     So the masses are either coming up with their own ideals or the establishment feeds them the ideal.  But if the masses want their own ideal and have enshrined it, the establishment had better comply with it or risk being seen as immoral in the face of the people.  The establishment cannot afford to be seen as immoral otherwise they have no power with the people. . . . .
            morallity and ideals are closely related in that ideals are the highest that morals can aspire to. 
            Even if the establishment is feeding the people their ideals, they had better pay attention when the people feed the establishment their ideals.  I believe the civil rights struggle was an example of the establishment trying to feed the people their own ideals when the people had other ideals.  The people won, in the end (of course, I believe also in enternal vigilance, kept objective as possible) and the establishment was forced to concede to the overiding ideals of the people.
            So, there you have it, the direction of a industrial soceity is directed by the masses at large (I am also considering rome to be an industrial society.)

           I do not know where a primative society is headed. . .perhaps only toward a industrial one.  Show me otherwise.

                                                             Nate W.

for more historical precedent look to the atlantic packet building industry.  The white pine forests of new england contained superior wood for masts and the oak forests in the american interoir were far easier to acess then the dimished forests of england. . . .perhaps history will repeat itself in using asteroid materials to create spaceships.

It has been proven that steel will be 300-900x stronger when cast in zero gravity.

Right now I'm only aware of the moon treaty made with russia in the 1970s, could you lead me to a website with more detail?
   I would love more detail in the legalese of space

    I agree that setting property rights would facilliate the expansion of space based business. . .as I last heard, a opposing company could hijack a satillite or station. 

I agree wholeheartedly. . .even though nukes are overated, they are still pretty nasty stuff.

great idea, but isn't it a little overkill?  It is a waste of techology in my view, unless the truck is being used day in and day out, for exstensive peroids of time. . .but the suspension would go out eventually, long before the reactor

The nations after WW1 pretty much depended on germany to pay its repartations debt. . . .it locked up international trade for years and triggered the great depression. . .when germany rearmed the nations looked the other way for they saw it as a oppoturnity for germany to repay its debt.  I agree that local government should and must be established, but in the form of a Commonweal, which is a rather unique legal standing that offers rather large room for self government.  Of course a legal enity like the one clark sugests will be necessary to police the frontier in the early days. . . . . .