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At least http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6981361/]about this!
I found the link on front page at MSNBC
WASHINGTON - A pair of NASA scientists told a group of space officials at a private meeting here that they have found strong evidence that life may exist today on Mars, hidden away in caves and sustained by pockets of water.
and this:
What Stoker and Lemke have found, according to several attendees of the private meeting, meeting, which took place Sunday, is not direct proof of life on Mars, but methane signatures and other signs of possible biological activity remarkably similar to those recently discovered in caves here on Earth.
Formal paper in process pending peer review.
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Hey, if there's oil on Mars, that's very useful *on Mars*. Plastics, synthetic rubber, tar for making macadam roads...
Yup.
I recall reading an organic chemist explain why he wants to cry at all the petrol stations selling gasoline. Crude oil has an amazingly rich assortment of complex hydrocarbons that can be used for purposes far more exotic than burning to propel SUVs.
We need to start burning light hydrocarbons (methane) as fuel and use the heavy hydrocarbons for exotic plastics, etc. . .
But, oil on Mars means supporting a colony is very much easier. And it means Mars was once a verdant world teeming with life since oil, coal etc. . . requires massive amounts of dead plant and animal material.
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But, now for the REAL NEWS!
Life on Mars!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6981361/]Front Page, MSNBC
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What Northern Ireland is, is the West Bank a few hundred years from now, with a better climate and good beer.
I agree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of … ]Wikipedia history
Long ago (centuries) London sought to colonize Ireland with English and Scot settlers and displace the native Irish. Catholic Ireland was granted independence from Britain not all that long ago yet Northern Ireland, where large numbers of Protestants live was carved out and is not part of Ireland. Hitorically, the northern Ireland Protestants are descended from settlers (invaders?).
Current conflict (IMHO) arises from mobsters and gangsters on both sides exploiting historical animosities between the Catholic Irish people and the Protestant English and Scots while some Irish see the Unionists as "invaders" even if the invasion was 400 years ago and the Unionists see the Catholic Irish IRA as terrorists - - which perhaps they are.
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When I was in school - - in Chicago - - I vaguely knew a few people who would sing IRA drinking songs in pubs. Sad songs of martyrs who died at the hands of evil Englishmen centuries ago.
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_Eas … .html]Very interesting:
For the Americans, the situation in southern Iraq has turned into a double-edged sword. Iraqis there fully embraced the elections - even if they had to be convinced by Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani to do so - and this participation was welcomed as a sign of democracy taking root in the country.
But with Shi'ite religious parties emerging as the strongest power, no sooner were the elections over than voices were raised for the creation of an autonomous southern Iraqi region, and for vilayet-e-faqih .
People from different walks of life from Basra and other southern provinces can be heard on television and radio channels demanding a federal system in which southern Shi'ites could govern their oil resources for their benefit.
Notably, Ahmad Chalabi, a leading secular Shi'ite candidate in the Iraqi elections, has called for autonomy for the Shi'ite south, which contains some of the world's largest oil fields. Chalabi, a former US favorite who fell out with Washington after the 2003 invasion, said the move would ensure a fairer share of wealth for a region that provides the bulk of Iraqi revenue but receives only a fraction of state spending. The mainly Shi'ite southern provinces of Amara, Nasiriya and Basra are Iraq's poorest, Chalabi said.
A new round of struggle begins. . .
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Example:
"So let me get this straight - - they believe in Social Darwinism, but not um, actual Darwinism??'
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If you can't laugh at yourself ... we'll gladly do it for you.
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At least IMO the article points out the confusion of the term spiral.
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/322/1]CEV: let’s try and clear this up once and for all
There has been a lot of confusion over the last few weeks on what the actual Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV) mission is going to be. Some sources claimed that the CEV was going to be strictly an Earth-to-Moon vehicle and was not being designed to go anywhere near the ISS.
The old what if?
If the CEV turns into another OSP or X-33, it will probably be the end of NASA in its current form.
At some point soon, the Exploration Systems office is going to have to tell the contractors and the public, in plain and simple English, what it wants the CEV to do, and to present a rough schedule for accomplishing those goals.
You beat me to this post of Dinerman's essay.
One cause of http://www.thespacereview.com/article/322/1]this problem - - IMHO - - is that the Vision for Space Exploration remains astonishingly vague.
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http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/ … ]Taikonaut
Another word with mixed origins.
"Taikong" is a Chinese word that means space or cosmos. The resulted prefix "taiko-" is similar to "astro-" and "cosmo-" that makes three words perfectly symmetric, both in meaning and in form. Removing "g" from "taikong" is to make the word short and easy to pronounce. On the other side, its pronounciation is also close to "taikong ren", the Chinese words "space men".
Taikong-naut blends a Chinese root with "naut" to create a word having Chinese/English origins.
No big deal, except that I think its cool!
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This is Mars - - Red & black.
Carly Fiorina?
:laugh:
Not quite... even though she is looking for a new job!
Brenda Barnes?
No, she's at Sara Lee.
Cobra, are you aware of this new piece of legislation?
It's about building barriers at the border
"SEC. 102. WAIVER OF LAWS NECESSARY FOR IMPROVEMENT OF BARRIERS AT BORDERS.
Section 102© of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (8 U.S.C. 1103 note) is amended to read as follows:
© Waiver-
(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall have the authority to waive, and shall waive, all laws such Secretary, in such Secretary's sole discretion, determines necessary to ensure expeditious construction of the barriers and roads under this section.
(2) NO JUDICIAL REVIEW- Notwithstanding any other provision of law (statutory or nonstatutory), no court shall have jurisdiction--
(A) to hear any cause or claim arising from any action undertaken, or any decision made, by the Secretary of Homeland Security pursuant to paragraph (1); or
(B) to order compensatory, declaratory, injunctive, equitable, or any other relief for damage alleged to arise from any such action or decision.'."
Check out the waiver of laws and no judicial review.
Interfere with building the wall and the Secretary can order you shot. No review.
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Black?
That usually makes me think of either http://www.ms.uky.edu/~sills/sprockets.html]Sprockets or http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/]Matrix.
I know who the next Administrator is, but I ain't tellin. :;):
Carly Fiorina?
My comment to you was premised on my perception (perhaps wrong) that you want criticisms of the Administration to be "proven" while giving their version of events the benefit of the doubt.
*I want everything to be proven (impossible I know), and I'm very reluctant to give -anyone- in power the benefit of the doubt; in fact, I essentially don't.
Otherwise, I agree with what you said.
In the end, it looks like no one knows what the heck they're talking about (all while insisting they DO have The Truth) and it rapidly becomes pure garble. Which is why some people get fed up and tune it all out.
--Cindy
Combine this with a very natural and perfectly normal reluctance to acknowledge that our leaders might be lying to us and we then have a well prepared foundation for an effective propaganda campaign.
Especially today, with the unfolding Jeff Gannon story, it is obvious a propaganda war is being waged. By a large number of parties. But tell me, who has the biggest cannon?
It sure as heck ain't the liberals.
But perhaps no one is telling the truth. Which earns from me both a ??? and a :;):
My comment to you was premised on my perception (perhaps wrong) that you want criticisms of the Administration to be "proven" while giving their version of events the benefit of the doubt. To demand "proof" and then impose an impossible standard before continuing on is a great way to sidetrack a discussion.
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But what is really funny (in a sick sort of way) is how far truth has fallen from favor. On all sides.
By the way, Thursdays are "one eyed hobos" night.
Free drinks, if they share their scoops. . .
Thats a bit "Tell me, Tell me Ill be your friend" is it not ???
Alas, 'tis true. :;):
clark has a history of teasing us with his inside connections.
look, Hamlet and Ophelia are bantering.
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You figure out whose who.
I know who the next Administrator is, but I ain't tellin. :;):
Tolstoy wrote that every man must choose: Hamlet or Don Quixote.
A Better choice than Hamlet or Othello.
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By the way, Thursdays are "one eyed hobos" night.
Free drinks, if they share their scoops. . .
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PS - - Forgot my new tagline: And this is Jeff Gannon, reporting. . .
Sooooh much easier to say than Jim Glockert, or whatever.
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Dude, brush up on your beltway lingo. Try:
"Space exploration potentialities and program related activities"
Duly noted.
Speaking of which, is there ANY news on Sean O'Keefe's possible replacement?
You mean Hoagland didn't get it?
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:laugh:
If they pick Pete Worden then - - dang it - - I'd have to praise Bush again.
And we all know how solid the Vision... er, vague list of possibilities for Space "Exploration" is.
Okay, that's enough politico love-fest, we're scaring people.
Dude, brush up on your beltway lingo. Try:
"Space exploration potentialities and program related activities"
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Speaking of which, is there ANY news on Sean O'Keefe's possible replacement?
Persuade me that a new Iraqi government dominated by Sistani's people is part of the "Bush plan" and I would be far more willing to give credit to this Administration for spreading democracy.
That I cannot do for it simply isn't the case.
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That said, if that is the outcome and the situation is better than before the war I will give credit to the Administration for initiating it and recognizing (even if not publicly) that while what they sought is impossible, a "lesser" outcome is acceptable. Trying for the best outcome we can get is all anyone can do, someone who sees it too late is better than those who would do nothing.
Likewise, I can and should credit the Administration for adopting an ad-hocracy position and letting go of Paul Bremer = Douglas MacArthur Ameri-forming of Iraq. Such credit should be given.
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Here is another good thing I can say about Bush. His new budget slashes those annoying agricultural subsidies. Good!
See! No hate. :;):
(A quibble does remain as to whether Bush will stand his ground on this issue or back down to farm state GOP Senators and Representatives allowing them to campaign in 2006 as champions of the farm subsidies.)
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Fascism DOES have its attractions. I agree with that completely.
Likewise, I was annoyed, back in high school, when they tried to teach us that drugs, or beer, or sex, wasn't really fun. Of course those things are fun! Its just that when indulged imprudently, worse consequences ensue.
Mob rule (unchecked democracy) is bad. I agree with that as well. The Founders of the American regime greatly feared mob-ocracy.
As far as I can tell, the goal in 1787 was to balance power, to prevent any one faction, any one party, any one officeholder from having unchecked power to impose tyranny.
One downside? Such a system makes it harder to get things done. Yup thats a problem and while making the trains run on time is not a bad thing in itself, the negative side effects of empowering a Mussolini offset the positive.
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Telling Harry Reid to shut up and stop obstructing our President may make sense =IF= getting stuff done was the highest and most pressing duty of our government. It isn't. Maintaining institutions that balance power is.
To give George W. Bush unprecedented power (absent a declared war) because 51% of Americans voted for him would seem to embrace that very mob-ocracy we both agreed was a bad thing.
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Shakespeare's play Henry V when read in conjunction with Henry VI has always struck me as a powerful argument against fascism.
It's an oversimplification as with fascism implemented as conceived succession isn't a matter of heredity but merit. It may well have devolved that way had it continued, but it wasn't the plan.
Let's move beyond oversimplification, okay?
From Plato's Republic:
There will be no end to the troubles of states, or indeed, my dear Glaucon, of humanity itself, till philosophers become kings in this world, or till those we now call kings and rulers really and truly become philosophers.
If a system of fascism could truly select as rulers those best at ruling, then such a system might well be our best hope for good government.
But remember, leaders to often rise to power through force or accident, therefore how do we (the common people) assure that our leaders are good and effective leaders?
Shakespeare's Henry V is a fascinating example because he rose to the throne by force (his father Bolingbroke overthrew Richard II via force of arms) and by accident. The "education" of Prince Hal by Falstaff (a drunkard and a thief) can justify limitless examination and Hal's emergence as the mighty King Henry V would plainly seem an accident. There is a great line of text about the accidental emergence of Henry V from the wayward youth of Hal.
England was afforded its greatest king by a combination of force and accident.
Now, read this excerpt from Federalist #1:
It has been frequently remarked that it seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force.
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In my opinion, the genius of 1776 and 1787 can be identified in Shakespeare's history plays. . .
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Shakespeare's play Henry V when read in conjunction with Henry VI has always struck me as a powerful argument against fascism.
Assume for sake of argument we get a truly great King. By literary mandate. Henry V is portrayed by Shakespeare as a nearly perfect king and England is happy, prosperous and free under the benevolent guidance of their sovereign. Then he dies and his son, Henry VI, is utterly incapable of continuing the tradition, and England is ruined.
For better or worse, the strength and wisdom of the legislative branch determines the political health of any republic because in that institution we have a collection of men and women who can carry on traditions that will span transitions in the holding of executive power.
Like in space policy. A President who supports space policy is only really relevant if he can accomplish something before his term expires.
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http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archiv … html]Great Q&A about the show with the creator and execuitve producer. Example:
Why is everything so low tech when clearly these humans are so advanced? It seems incongruous."
The plot explanation is that following the Cylon Uprising 40 years ago, Colonial society took a giant step backwards to protect itself from the technological nightmare it had unleashed. With their enemies able to hack into virtually any network, the Colonials had to rely on stand-alone technologies that we not connected to other components. Ships like the Galactica were designed with this in mind, as well as the old military philosophy of building equipment that will function even in the most dire of circumstances. You don't want to be using cordless phones when the ship is hit by a nuke and power is disrupted to say the least. You want something reliable and solid and preferably with a cord.
Kobol or Kolob - - very interesting. . .
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Genuine introspection. This is why I believe Cobra Commander would make a worthy pro-consul.
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Persuade me that a new Iraqi government dominated by Sistani's people is part of the "Bush plan" and I would be far more willing to give credit to this Administration for spreading democracy.
So much for my being a "cult-ist"
As a factual matter, however, I believe a Shia Islamic Iraq (even if relatively moderate and non-military) is very very far removed from what this Administration intended as the end-state consequence of the regime change decision. (Edit: Recall how vigorously the US once opposed these Iraqi elections, seeking to postpone them until after a new constitution was written by caucuses we would help select.)
Frankly, I do have hope that the Administration will decide that Sistani's coalition is the best we can do, and if they make that decision, Iraq will have many tough days ahead but also will have an optimistic future.
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