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Still finding a way to have the water treated and purified should also be looked into if only so we can treat the water that is on Mars. I know it is in the form of ice but this does not necassarily make it pure as Ice usually captures and forms over the smallest dust particles.

In Saudi and actually most arab states the area of personal space is a lot smaller than we in the west are comfortable with. And holding hands is commen with men there as it is a pure sign of friendship. Unlike us in the west who are of the belief it is a sexual connotation in Arabia it is a sign of trust and for the people of Saudi it will be increasing there confidence in any deal made.

Hope that helps

You mean to create a car wash idea but with the water...Hmmmm.

Still a hard type suit design unlike the cloth types would benefit dust removal as there would be a shortage of spaces ie folds for the dust to accumalate.

The water system would hopefully allow a rapid cycle of people through a lock and as long as you dont plan to use the water for anything else should not be a problem. The reason I dont think the water will be of much use is the likehood of its reaction to some of the materials to form alkilis and acids and to be very highly toxic shortly afterwards from heavy element poisoning.

Still how good can we make a closed loop system.

But then again it could be said that having on one side the latest space launcher and on the other the defence missile it is a good means to keep us real and a bit grounded. It always helps that we the space advocates look to see what is really happening in the world or could potentially happen. And war and weapons are one source of the bad things that could.

Human nature though we are a lot more technically able has not really changed since the days of the great exploration voyages of the likes of Magellan and Columbus. VonBraun was a dreamer who planned to go to space with his technical expertise it just happens to get the research done he had to work for the German army.

These sites are really places that promote human ingenuity and unfortunatly/fortunatly mankind is very ingenious when it comes to war. Best that we try to promote a time when everyone is truly happy and Human massed conflict is not necessary, But until that time it is best to ensure that you have the ability to really hurt the side that tries anything and you make them know it.

http://www.space.com/news//050421_aeron … html]Frank wolf a space.com article

For NASA to implement the Space Exploration Initiative and return to the Moon by 2020 it needs money. Since NASA will now not be getting this directly from the goverment it has to make this from savings. The problem is that the savings NASA makes are by cutting back on programs and this has brought a lot of opposition.

NASA already plans to cut by about 2680 jobs a 15.3% of the NASA payroll by 2006. This would save the agency about $268 million. Needless to say there is rightful opposition but these posts are mostly to come from the centers where Aeronautics research is done and in non core areas where NASA can buy in the work done.

If NASA is to have the funds to start on the CEV and have it ready for work after the Shuttle is retired then work on it must start soon. To do this though requires a lot more money and NASA plans to finish other programs like voyager and Hubble and other Earth directed research missions. This though has also engendered opposition from space enthusiasts and the congress and senate floors.

If NASA cannot cut the aeronautics program and the planned research projects and the older missions. Then where is it to find the Money it needs....I see tough times ahead with a program that is likely to be delayed. And the CEV will not be ready.

No by locked I mean that you can view up to page 8 but after that those posts are gone nor can you post more. So I started this thread.

It does seem when we get close to the 300 post numbers we tend to have thread collapses.

No more like a break up. NASA's purpose is to advance aeronautics and to be Americas space authority. The aeronautics side is being increasingly taken by private sources and other sections of Americas goverment. NASA authority would weaken when there becomes an increased permanent prescence in space and if there was to be colonisation it is certain that NASA would not be in charge of the colony.

Still we are talking the future and who knows that.....

You are pushing a vision where corporations will be in such power that they can create policy. But for a corporation to gain such power it must grow somewhere. And those corporations will have to sell products to someone.

At the moment the entire Human race is on Earth or LEO.

This will not change until somehow we have a reason for corporations to go into space. If this is to get a profit it means that they will take people with them or sell to people goverments have put there or even the goverments themselves. These corporations on Earth are bound to the law that there respective goverments have. This will also be the case in space.

Bases and operations in space will be under the law of the country that owns it or the flag the base flies. This means that a country would have the power to allow police access to that base under whatever law that the country follows.

We have already anti trust laws and the power to stop monopolies look at standard oil and the trouble that microsoft suffers.

Tell me what it is doing that is useful now.. or potentially useful and then compare to what we have to do to get the Moon, Mars.

The problem is that we will need to ensure that we manage to clean a very high percentage of the Dust that will be on the suits/equipment. The problem is that we have to deal with dust which is highly charged and as such reacts strangely. We will also have to ensure that we can do it in a small space which does not use air or water as these are precious.

One thing to note our skin is tough but certainly in the case of certain areas of our anatomy Mars dust will be very bad. Imagine blind Mars astronauts and you see or not the problem.

Mars dust will react strongly with the moisture that is prescent in our eyes to form acids.

I voted something else, If we could see the future we would the world would be in a lot happier state than it is. But we cant but we can discern trends.

The trend is that the traditional nation state is becoming less a player in a global sense companies are becoming more and more multi global.

I think that NASA as a goverment agency will fade out as we gain more capacity in space and it will become other agencies of the United States that will take over the operation and utilisation of space. And this does mean a space navy of sorts

And here was me thinking the only privacy he was going to get was that of a lovely spartan prison cell. For a long long time. Very private.